Ren'Py Inanna Revenge [Ep.2] [AtemX Games]

[jadepaladin]

nah man nobody ever sucks for support a VN they like,not sure how you got that idea.

my post is more about the direct call out, i've seen dev's do it before and this has lead to them just dropping VN because off that leaking will keep happening.

Atem is well in his right to complain about it,or asking to at least delay leaking a bit longer.

I get where you're coming from. I just dislike when everyone gets grouped into one section like we're all bad eggs or something.
Early leaks suck, I get it. I'm never going to be "that hero" for any game leak. It's entirely possible that his itch downloads were reduced because of it. It's also possible that he got more visibility being here as well.

 

[pitao]

nah man nobody ever sucks for support a VN they like,not sure how you got that idea.

my post is more about the direct call out, i've seen dev's do it before and this has lead to them just dropping VN because off that leaking will keep happening.

Atem is well in his right to complain about it,or asking to at least delay leaking a bit longer.

It is not about the leak because I'm sure AtemX knew it would happen sooner or later and the sooner they were hoping it wasn't while accessible during the highest support tier, it is more because it was leaked just a few hours after the release.

This usually happens often and easier on developers that already have a lot of support and revenue and we all know those games, those still get affected but the payoff of having F95 site as a free advertising and letting even more people know the game is way more than the loss in the end.

But it is not the case of AtemX, I doubt they will drop the VN because of it, they completed a game in 2 years and 4 months before with much less support and visibility than they have now. But the interaction I often saw AtemX do here before and I enjoyed it probably (I hope not) ended with their last post on the thread like they announced, a pity but I'll drop on discord once in a while to say hi and interact and give constructive criticism if necessary, but I don't really enjoy to use discord overall, I log in on it like once per week max.

 

[dolfe67]

He can complain but he can't stop it. It sucks but you have to live with it. However a lot of people out here use the site to find those specific games (AVN) and support devs. Another proof is that he achieved a new support record.

 

[HiHaHo]

He can complain but he can't stop it.

yeah that's the crux off it, i believe it might become worse over time.
as a VN grows so will the negativity from a early leak.
early on it has a smaller impact but later on that will become bigger, more people don't do that "update sub" for the release month.

at first it might be like 50 people but over time that will grow as(/if) the VN become more populair.
if he loses like ~200$ with 50 people on this update imagine that after 2-3 good updates from now that has raised to 500 people giving a loss off ~2000$.
all because only 1 person leaked,im not trying to dig on people for leaking but more like trying to understand the Dev's side off this.

now what the real numbers are i have no idea but its more about the idea that leaking is affecting the dev,be it financially or mentally.
it will grow along side the VN itself,for now its a call out in his status update for his subs,but what might happen when its bigger and more impactful?...
naturally this different for each dev ,so we'll see how it goes for Atemx

in the end it always comes down to Breaking a certain threshold after which these things matter less.
same thing can be seen in that cycle off dev time & content.
"not enough support to go full time for more content <-> not enough content to support"

 

[jadepaladin]

yeah that's the crux off it, i believe it might become worse over time.
as a VN grows so will the negativity from a early leak.
early on it has a smaller impact but later on that will become bigger, more people don't do that "update sub" for the release month.

at first it might be like 50 people but over time that will grow as(/if) the VN become more populair.
if he loses like ~200$ with 50 people on this update imagine that after 2-3 good updates from now that has raised to 500 people giving a loss off ~2000$.
all because only 1 person leaked,im not trying to dig on people for leaking but more like trying to understand the Dev's side off this.

now what the real numbers are i have no idea but its more about the idea that leaking is affecting the dev,be it financially or mentally.
it will grow along side the VN itself,for now its a call out in his status update for his subs,but what might happen when its bigger and more impactful?...
naturally this different for each dev ,so we'll see how it goes for Atemx

in the end it always comes down to Breaking a certain threshold after which these things matter less.
same thing can be seen in that cycle off dev time & content.
"not enough support to go full time for more content <-> not enough content to support"

If a VN is more popular, the hope is that the number of new subs offsets the "loss" of revenue from the leak. I remember when Race of Life leaked almost immediately from their $100 tier, that had to be painful but it doesn't seem to have put much of a dent into the finances.

Using your numbers, if 50 people were going to sub but decided not to after getting the game for free, and it jumps to 500, statistically the number of people subbed should also be drastically higher or the price point for his VN is wrong leading to people pirating (which I don't think it is, subjectively, since if you wait long enough it's publicly free, and $6 minimum for early access seems pretty competitive).

 

[HiHaHo]

If a VN is more popular, the hope is that the number of new subs offsets the "loss" of revenue from the leak. I remember when Race of Life leaked almost immediately from their $100 tier, that had to be painful but it doesn't seem to have put much of a dent into the finances.

Using your numbers, if 50 people were going to sub but decided not to after getting the game for free, and it jumps to 500, statistically the number of people subbed should also be drastically higher or the price point for his VN is wrong leading to people pirating (which I don't think it is, subjectively, since if you wait long enough it's publicly free, and $6 minimum for early access seems pretty competitive).

yeah of course the Subs will grow to ,and in the case off "race of life" im sure that it would've painful for the dev to see that,and it might not seem to have put a dent in things ,it probably did but we never saw signs off it.

i do hope that atemx will get to that point off having enough subs that if it leaks he'll be ...less bothered by it ,for lack off better words.
that was that threshold i was talking about,and my previous statements about how the road to/past that broke a VN here and there.

 

[LaShou23]

Mods, Mr. F95, or whoever’s in charge: a “Mandatory LI” tag would make life so much easier.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Mods, Mr. F95, or whoever’s in charge: a “Mandatory LI” tag would make life so much easier.

I would LOVE a "Mandatory LI" and "Forced Romance/Lewd" tags.

 

[Gilber_bestram@176]

The lesson of Stray Succubus is still there, and AtemX has a reasonable time frame for his release, I mean c'mon it's only 7 days from his first to his public release, when it is public you guys can post it here anyway

 

[natecali23]

yeah that's the crux off it, i believe it might become worse over time.
as a VN grows so will the negativity from a early leak.
early on it has a smaller impact but later on that will become bigger, more people don't do that "update sub" for the release month.

at first it might be like 50 people but over time that will grow as(/if) the VN become more populair.
if he loses like ~200$ with 50 people on this update imagine that after 2-3 good updates from now that has raised to 500 people giving a loss off ~2000$.
all because only 1 person leaked,im not trying to dig on people for leaking but more like trying to understand the Dev's side off this.

now what the real numbers are i have no idea but its more about the idea that leaking is affecting the dev,be it financially or mentally.
it will grow along side the VN itself,for now its a call out in his status update for his subs,but what might happen when its bigger and more impactful?...
naturally this different for each dev ,so we'll see how it goes for Atemx

in the end it always comes down to Breaking a certain threshold after which these things matter less.
same thing can be seen in that cycle off dev time & content.
"not enough support to go full time for more content <-> not enough content to support"

If you are going to do the math that way, you have to also factor in the other side of it as well. Getting leaked on forums like this brings new eyes to the game. I've discovered games on this forum and then supported the artists. That wouldn't have been possible if not for the leaks.

 

[HiHaHo]

If you are going to do the math that way, you have to also factor in the other side of it as well. Getting leaked on forums like this brings new eyes to the game. I've discovered games on this forum and then supported the artists. That wouldn't have been possible if not for the leaks.

this would only make sense if people somehow all became blind for pubic release ,thinking your idea through for a second i'd say a week or so later has no impact on this.

the thing were addressing is leaking would prevent some people who the "sub for update early access" where the dev can miss some revenue.
The meme i posted on that call out just sparked the debate on it.

 

[natecali23]

this would only make sense if people somehow all became blind for pubic release ,thinking your idea through for a second i'd say a week or so later has no impact on this.

the thing were addressing is leaking would prevent some people who the "sub for update early access" where the dev can miss some revenue.
The meme i posted on that call out just sparked the debate on it.

Yeah but the leaks will happen no matter what; not much you can do about that. Question for you, if there were absolutely zero leaks on f95 or any other site like it, do you think the pool of money that creators have made from their games would be bigger or smaller?

 

[HiHaHo]

Yeah but the leaks will happen no matter what; not much you can do about that. Question for you, if there were absolutely zero leaks on f95 or any other site like it, do you think the pool of money that creators have made from their games would be bigger or smaller?

bigger obviously.
leaks undeniably causes people to not to do that investment to get early access.

 

[Ka1tzer]

Just gonna say here (as opposed to Discord, cause that place feels a little too much like an echo-chamber of sorts) that I saw the latest public devlog that AtemX posted post-update... And idk man, felt very intellectually dishonest.

Don't wanna go n a rant or create drama, really, but when the dev himself comes off saying that the latest update was received with an overwhelmingly positive rating... that makes me question many things. What I saw was that the patch, while overall good, was also pretty highly divisive.

Idk, maybe he's looking at the metrics on only some places/platforms and ignoring others completely, but it felt really off for me.

That's all, carry on.

 

[dolfe67]

when the dev himself comes off saying that the latest update was received with an overwhelmingly positive rating... that makes me question many things.

Or maybe you're biased after reading a couple users complaining on here

 

[Daermon420]

Or maybe you're biased after reading a couple users complaining on here

Especially because he was one of the users on here complaining.

I loved the latest update, lots of content, story progression, worldbuilding, new characters and hot lewd scenes.

It wasn't perfect, no. But no game update is. And any small issues I had I could easily overlook because I just enjoyed it so damn much.

 

[Ka1tzer]

Or maybe you're biased after reading a couple users complaining on here

"Couple". Sure.

Yes I was one of the people complaining.

I assume you were one of the people universally praising it?

No matter, I wanted to point out that the official chosen approach to content in the game and communication with the community felt very off.

It feels that the ppl in f95 aren't being considered as "part of the community" in the devs communication.

Could be just content bias? Sure, but I don't think it's as simple as that. Remember that most ppl that download the game are lurkers that don't bother to communicate in forums or whatever.

And looking at the reactions and comments in here (f95) regarding the patch, it was indeed divisive.

That's all I'll say on the matter, feel free to disagree.

 

[dolfe67]

Remember that most ppl that download the game are lurkers that don't bother to communicate in forums or whatever.

Sure and? Do you think most of them didn't like the update? The fact is the dev has gained subscribers.

The update was not perfect and I didn't like everything, for instance I'd have prefered the demon as the maid instead of the vampire. I also find the MC's hat ridiculous but nothing deal breaker. The update had a lot of content though, and it's good enough that I enjoyed it. Not in my top games but it's a solid one

 

[Silwith]

Yeah, could have done without Emilie 2.0, already wasn't a fan of that Model in AlwaysFan, but otherwise I very much enjoyed the update...
And the new subscribers and people coming on the Discord ect? Well, that shows he is doing something right, so why would he not consider it positively... taking random people on f95 that would never support either way makes much less sense as a metric then the actual numbers going up...

 

[DressedToThrill]

Yeah, could have done without Emilie 2.0, already wasn't a fan of that Model in AlwaysFan

I get it. I liked the character, but it was despite the model was a bit out of the ordinary.

But there's something hilarious about our MC, who's kind of choosing his maid based on is memory of jerking off to her AlwaysFan-porn before he got isekaied.