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Since so many people have been asking, I’ll share my reasoning behind that particular scene and why I didn’t lock it behind a specific choice, unlike some others. I hadn’t planned on commenting here again after the game was leaked so early (even though, honestly, waiting just one week after release doesn’t seem excessive in this context), and this will probably be my last message on this forum. If anyone wants to reach out to me (constructively), feel free to join my Discord server — I’d be happy to chat there.


Now, about the scene in question: at first, I did lock it behind a high Ruthlessness level (50, if I remember correctly — just like Manon’s scene). However, I realized that some players might want to play a compassionate MC, while still having the option to take revenge on her for what he went through for nearly a month — partly because of her. That kind of personal vendetta can’t really be justified either way, but let’s be honest: even the "good guy" can snap after going through serious trauma.


I knew there was no “perfect” option here — either some would complain about being forced to hear her out when they didn’t want to, or others (like now) would say that the revenge choice shouldn’t even be available. I chose this solution because I trust players to make logical choices based on their own intentions, especially since the choice was clearly labeled as a torture scene (also, the r*pe scene is optional, even if you choose the torture).


Since AlwaysFan, I’ve always wanted to offer players a wide range of possibilities — a kind of menu where they can pick what they like and skip the rest. The problem is that many players feel “forced” to try every possible path and then complain about clicking something they didn’t enjoy.


Also, I’d appreciate it if people stopped saying I don’t listen to feedback. Yes, I liked comments from people who shared my reasoning — and last time I checked, that’s what the like button is for, isn’t it? I’ll be making a few adjustments to that specific choice in the next episode, but for now, I’d kindly ask that you refrain from clicking on a choice you already know won’t appeal to you.


That’s it from me — take care, everyone, and I hope you’ll continue to enjoy Inanna Revenge. :)
 

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Haven't gotten around to playing yet, will soon after I finish another game, but I think a middle of the road punishment, could be soemthing like spanking, maybe use a paddle too.

Enough to get point across, but not absolutely destroy her. But again haven't played so don't know full context.

Also saw ending cliffhanger spoiler and I wish older characters or character models didn't return. Woukd rather just focus on new and leave the old game behind. but that is just my personal view on that.
It was a given we were gonna have to do something in the other world at some point since the stepsister has heart events that haven't happened in game yet. She was either going to get dragged into the world with us or we were gonna visit.

As for spanking, that's kinda hilarious.

Mc: "You tortured me for months so bend over."
Regina: "No MC please don't fuck me."
MC: "Fuck you? I have Syl and Kayane for that. You're getting a spanking, young lady."
Regina: "...what?"
 

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I understand that and agree with that. What i don't agree is replacing rape with sleep deprivation or other form of torture and calling it "ok". As I said, in both cases someone suffers and ends up with the trauma. For me, those are fucked up on the same level.
I don't believe there is a winner in this discussion. We are not fighting over something. You have your opinions, I have mine. Neither are better or worse.
I just stated I wouldn't do the sleep deprivation either so I'm sure how you got the idea I'm arguing in favor of it. In fact during our discussion I haven't advocated for any particular punishment. I'm completely against ALL torture.
 
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I just stated I wouldn't do the sleep deprivation either so I'm sure how you got the idea I'm arguing in favor of it. In fact during our discussion I haven't advocated for any particular punishment. I'm completely against ALL torture.
I know, your message appeared when I has writing mine.
 
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Since so many people have been asking, I’ll share my reasoning behind that particular scene and why I didn’t lock it behind a specific choice, unlike some others. I hadn’t planned on commenting here again after the game was leaked so early (even though, honestly, waiting just one week after release doesn’t seem excessive in this context), and this will probably be my last message on this forum. If anyone wants to reach out to me (constructively), feel free to join my Discord server — I’d be happy to chat there.


Now, about the scene in question: at first, I did lock it behind a high Ruthlessness level (50, if I remember correctly — just like Manon’s scene). However, I realized that some players might want to play a compassionate MC, while still having the option to take revenge on her for what he went through for nearly a month — partly because of her. That kind of personal vendetta can’t really be justified either way, but let’s be honest: even the "good guy" can snap after going through serious trauma.


I knew there was no “perfect” option here — either some would complain about being forced to hear her out when they didn’t want to, or others (like now) would say that the revenge choice shouldn’t even be available. I chose this solution because I trust players to make logical choices based on their own intentions, especially since the choice was clearly labeled as a torture scene (also, the r*pe scene is optional, even if you choose the torture).


Since AlwaysFan, I’ve always wanted to offer players a wide range of possibilities — a kind of menu where they can pick what they like and skip the rest. The problem is that many players feel “forced” to try every possible path and then complain about clicking something they didn’t enjoy.


Also, I’d appreciate it if people stopped saying I don’t listen to feedback. Yes, I liked comments from people who shared my reasoning — and last time I checked, that’s what the like button is for, isn’t it? I’ll be making a few adjustments to that specific choice in the next episode, but for now, I’d kindly ask that you refrain from clicking on a choice you already know won’t appeal to you.


That’s it from me — take care, everyone, and I hope you’ll continue to enjoy Inanna Revenge. :)
Thanks for the explanation. While I don't 100% agree with it, I can see where you're coming from. I would have used that vengeance flag if you wanted to not tie it to ruthless/compassion if it were me.

Trusted you with AlwaysFan and you didn't disappoint and I don't think you'll disappoint here.
 

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It was a given we were gonna have to do something in the other world at some point since the stepsister has heart events that haven't happened in game yet. She was either going to get dragged into the world with us or we were gonna visit.

As for spanking, that's kinda hilarious.

Mc: "You tortured me for months so bend over."
Regina: "No MC please don't fuck me."
MC: "Fuck you? I have Syl and Kayane for that. You're getting a spanking, young lady."
Regina: "...what?"
Maybe I got events mixed up, again ,haven't played yet I am fine with stepsister returning and even want, I was more talking about Emile from AlwaysFan, I saw her model appear here, just rather leave those characters/models in the past, so probably mixed up with cliffhanger.
 
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Maybe I got events mixed up, again ,haven't played yet I am fine with stepsister returning, I was more talking about Emile from AlwaysFan, I saw her model appear here, so probably mixed up with cliffhanger.
Gotcha, yeah our albino girl is about midway through the chapter. Cliffhanger is MC waking up in his original world with the stepsister yelling at him.
 
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jadepaladin

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That's unfortunate. Isn't this just going to make people who pirate it join the discord a lot more though?
It definitely locks me out. I generally don't like developer discords because they turn into giant echo chambers. Part of the reason I love F95 is that I can say "I didn't like this" and while I'll get dogpiled, generally at least someone else agrees, unless it's just a bad take.

Some discords you try that and you'll just get banned. Most of the devs I support financially are the devs that are open to communicating here.
 

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Since so many people have been asking, I’ll share my reasoning behind that particular scene and why I didn’t lock it behind a specific choice, unlike some others. I hadn’t planned on commenting here again after the game was leaked so early (even though, honestly, waiting just one week after release doesn’t seem excessive in this context), and this will probably be my last message on this forum. If anyone wants to reach out to me (constructively), feel free to join my Discord server — I’d be happy to chat there.


Now, about the scene in question: at first, I did lock it behind a high Ruthlessness level (50, if I remember correctly — just like Manon’s scene). However, I realized that some players might want to play a compassionate MC, while still having the option to take revenge on her for what he went through for nearly a month — partly because of her. That kind of personal vendetta can’t really be justified either way, but let’s be honest: even the "good guy" can snap after going through serious trauma.


I knew there was no “perfect” option here — either some would complain about being forced to hear her out when they didn’t want to, or others (like now) would say that the revenge choice shouldn’t even be available. I chose this solution because I trust players to make logical choices based on their own intentions, especially since the choice was clearly labeled as a torture scene (also, the r*pe scene is optional, even if you choose the torture).


Since AlwaysFan, I’ve always wanted to offer players a wide range of possibilities — a kind of menu where they can pick what they like and skip the rest. The problem is that many players feel “forced” to try every possible path and then complain about clicking something they didn’t enjoy.


Also, I’d appreciate it if people stopped saying I don’t listen to feedback. Yes, I liked comments from people who shared my reasoning — and last time I checked, that’s what the like button is for, isn’t it? I’ll be making a few adjustments to that specific choice in the next episode, but for now, I’d kindly ask that you refrain from clicking on a choice you already know won’t appeal to you.


That’s it from me — take care, everyone, and I hope you’ll continue to enjoy Inanna Revenge. :)
I just have one small question, will Regina become a proper love interest in the future? To be honest, I really like the other girls, but I have a feeling she might end up being my favorite.

Sorry if this has already been answered; I only discovered the game recently, so I'm not familiar with your plans yet.
 

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I just have one small question, will Regina become a proper love interest in the future? To be honest, I really like the other girls, but I have a feeling she might end up being my favorite.

Sorry if this has already been answered; I only discovered the game recently, so I'm not familiar with your plans yet.
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Since so many people have been asking, I’ll share my reasoning behind that particular scene and why I didn’t lock it behind a specific choice, unlike some others. I hadn’t planned on commenting here again after the game was leaked so early (even though, honestly, waiting just one week after release doesn’t seem excessive in this context), and this will probably be my last message on this forum. If anyone wants to reach out to me (constructively), feel free to join my Discord server — I’d be happy to chat there.


Now, about the scene in question: at first, I did lock it behind a high Ruthlessness level (50, if I remember correctly — just like Manon’s scene). However, I realized that some players might want to play a compassionate MC, while still having the option to take revenge on her for what he went through for nearly a month — partly because of her. That kind of personal vendetta can’t really be justified either way, but let’s be honest: even the "good guy" can snap after going through serious trauma.


I knew there was no “perfect” option here — either some would complain about being forced to hear her out when they didn’t want to, or others (like now) would say that the revenge choice shouldn’t even be available. I chose this solution because I trust players to make logical choices based on their own intentions, especially since the choice was clearly labeled as a torture scene (also, the r*pe scene is optional, even if you choose the torture).


Since AlwaysFan, I’ve always wanted to offer players a wide range of possibilities — a kind of menu where they can pick what they like and skip the rest. The problem is that many players feel “forced” to try every possible path and then complain about clicking something they didn’t enjoy.


Also, I’d appreciate it if people stopped saying I don’t listen to feedback. Yes, I liked comments from people who shared my reasoning — and last time I checked, that’s what the like button is for, isn’t it? I’ll be making a few adjustments to that specific choice in the next episode, but for now, I’d kindly ask that you refrain from clicking on a choice you already know won’t appeal to you.


That’s it from me — take care, everyone, and I hope you’ll continue to enjoy Inanna Revenge. :)
While I appreciate the answer and you addressing the issue folks are having directly, I hope you can also understand the one main issue people have with the scene - the fact that the only option for punishing/having vengeance is through extreme physical torture regardless of the chosen playthrough route. The rape is even worse but I'll refrain from mentioning it here now because it is true that there is an option to stop after the torture.

The text, the dialog and everything in the scene even without the rape is still sadistic AF. And that doesn't blend well with a good MC. MAYBE with a neutral MC (but the current karma system heavily discourages any neutrality due to the presence of options being locked out at times) it'd make sense, but not with a good one.

Some folks have mentioned how other suggestions were also fucked up and I don't disagree, but from the PoV of the one taking revenge, he could feel morally justified in a "this is much less than she deserves" kind of way, and still feel conflicted over inflicting torment on her. One of the main critiques over the suggestions was the sleep deprivation one, so I'll use it to make some points. The sleep deprivation followed by her eventual exhaustion and then suffering through the seal due to her (eventual) "disobedience" caused by exhaustion when she collapses is indeed quite harsh, but all that can be adjusted through a slight change in the order the MC gives.

Or could be left in place so the MC sees the torment he's causing and feels remorse. As a narrative tool, there are many levers to adjust the punishment. The MC himself might not even realize how harsh it actually is due to it being a different kind of torment than the one that was inflicted upon him, and could genuinely think that "it's not that harsh".

But when the punishment is physical torture the dimension and perception on all involved, including the readers (at least for some of them) gain much more weight - especially if we take the rape into account and the way both the torture and the rape happen - with the flavor of a psychotic episode

Sleep deprivation can be "stopped" midway through by letting her sleep (assuming not too much time passes for permanent damage). Physical torture and rape are like grenade blasts - the damage is instantaneous and irreversible in all layers, from the physical, to the psychological and even in meta for us the players (the damage to the perception of the game in this case). I don't want to make it seem like an exaggeration and speak for others, but I can say that for me it absolutely damaged my perception and expectations as a whole for IR. I don't mean to offend and I apologize for saying it, but it's true.

Maybe we just have a very different way of viewing things, but for me, a good MC in that situation would want his revenge and would want to punish her, but he'd also want to feel like his actions are justified (even if in a "morally self-serving" way). He would likely do something bad (not as bad as what's ingame atm), feel morally justified over doing it, perhaps talk/convince himself that "that's what she deserves"/"it's for the best"/"it might even help her reform", and would likely feel remorse over the actions he did.

Then through his own contrition maybe seek to try and trigger the princess' contrition and remorse over her actions (rather than making her feel sorry because of the punishment instead of the evil she caused/allowed to happen) and attempt to redeem her. That'd be more or less my expectations for a "good person arc" in that particular situation in which he's blinded/consumed by a desire for vengeance.

The way it is now, it feels like he goes way too far beyond the pale.

Now, I apologize if I'm overstepping, it's not my intention to point fingers and go full "this is how you should develop your game, you should do it how I'd do!!". It's your story after all, I shared my vision there to try and illustrate what I'd broadly expect from a good MC being presented with that situation. I hope that the points and concerns being brought up regarding this whole business are clear, along with their causes.

Once again, thank you for addressing this matter directly. It's much appreciated, even if we have disagreements regarding what's being discussed.
 
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It definitely locks me out. I generally don't like developer discords because they turn into giant echo chambers. Part of the reason I love F95 is that I can say "I didn't like this" and while I'll get dogpiled, generally at least someone else agrees, unless it's just a bad take.

Some discords you try that and you'll just get banned. Most of the devs I support financially are the devs that are open to communicating here.
Personally I don't like it because I don't wanna have to join 50 discords when there's a perfectly good forum where everything is neatly gathered. It's nice when the devs interact in here. Oh well. It is what it is.
 

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The way the teleport beacon's location is described to be so close to the dungeon makes me think that king daddy is going to send an assassin that will try to hop, skip and shiv Regina, letting MC save her life. Going to be pretty cool to see. Not sure about Emilia's model (and others too?) making a comeback, but it's good to be so passionate about something that you want more of it. Solid update overall, hoping Carmen gets some more scenes in the future.
 
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It definitely locks me out. I generally don't like developer discords because they turn into giant echo chambers. Part of the reason I love F95 is that I can say "I didn't like this" and while I'll get dogpiled, generally at least someone else agrees, unless it's just a bad take.

Some discords you try that and you'll just get banned. Most of the devs I support financially are the devs that are open to communicating here.
I agree partly with you because most people don't just stop on the "I didn't like this", when a negative feeling debate escalates usually piles up and end up in disrespect and insults and/or getting personal (sometimes concealed). It is usually the form of criticize that end up making developers away from this site or too early leaks, I understand it since I have to keep cleaning the thread by ignoring the most radical ones and about leaks, well I use them but if I was supporting I would never leak a game that has a free public tier like many games around have, I'm a patient pirate :LOL:.

Which one is the best yeah I agree with you I still prefer F95 because some channels on discord are ruled by bad moderation and moderators (I was a moderator there and on twitch for a MTGA channel some years ago so kind of know some stories) and not saying that it is the case of AtemX channel, only joined there few days ago and I barely log in on discord anyway.

Edit: And like Xill said, F95 have all the games I follow gather neatly, forums are much more user friendly than discord.
 
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Also, I’d appreciate it if people stopped saying I don’t listen to feedback. Yes, I liked comments from people who shared my reasoning — and last time I checked, that’s what the like button is for, isn’t it? I’ll be making a few adjustments to that specific choice in the next episode, but for now, I’d kindly ask that you refrain from clicking on a choice you already know won’t appeal to you.
That is fair. I apologize and have retracted my statement in my earlier post. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

I have a habit of wanting to see all the gallery content in these games so I clicked it knowing I wasn't going to save after.

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I will make sure that if I do continue to play that I stick to only viewing the option I want. I actually did that in AlwaysFans so I was able to avoid some of the more uncomfortable content that I only found out about after unlocking the whole gallery when done.
 
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