VN Ren'Py Abandoned Inevitable Relations [v0.1b] [KinneyX23]

[winter0s]

It's something that should be avoided at all costs...

Oh, I totally agree with you on that. I mean it's okay once or twice to go back to fix something, but adding or deleting scenes back and forth only shows that the dev is not sure what should be in the game or not. Not having a hold on the plot/story-line is criminal for a novel. But I hope once he is happy with the intro of the game, its only incremental...

 

[ltpika]

Oh, I totally agree with you on that. I mean it's okay once or twice to go back to fix something, but adding or deleting scenes back and forth only shows that the dev is not sure what should be in the game or not. Not having a hold on the plot/story-line is criminal for a novel. But I hope once he is happy with the intro of the game, its only incremental...

Some authors go to George Lucas levels and are constantly changing their games, at some point you have to ask if you'll ever be happy with anything you do. Once something's released you have to live with it and just work on new content that people want. The mistakes of the past can be good learning experiences to make the new stuff better.

 

[KinneyX23]

I agree with you and I also think that a dev shouldn't force the players to restart, but in this case it was something that had to be done, according to a lot of feedback. And actually it's better to erase the mistakes that a dev made, when the game is still in it's early developement. Which let's be honest this game still is, at least if you ask me. It would be far worse if I would have added scenes to the end of the previous version and completely disregard the problems that were already there.
My plan is to add a new entry on the main menu to give the players the possibility to just play the new scenes and hopefully not force them to replay.

And in some ways I even agree with the review that was added to the thread today. Although it would have been nice if there was a mention of the version that the reviewer played. And as for the commas I'm sorry, but it's a reflex that comes with my native language. And yes the police angle seems a bit off at the moment, but that will be expanded further. It's funny though that people still think it jumps from flashback to flashback, even though the look of them is very different from the normal look. But that said yes there are some images that aren't correct and show a different version of the characters.

 

[letsdothisthing]

... Furthermore there's no difference between the compressed and the uncompressed version of the game, only the image format is different.

I assumed that when you made your renders, it was using a higher quality, then down-sized them and converted into webP. I wasn't asking for a different format, simply a higher quality version. If that's not available, so be it.

Which version did you play? The beta? Because in version 0.05a the dialogue issue that you are discribing is fixed. And the training scene is at a different point in the story.

I have played multiple versions of your game, except the latest, 5a. There are no patch notes in the thread about it yet. I assumed you had made some sort of bug-fix in your coding which is usually why 5.x or 5x versions would be released.

Wait what? So some developed this game before me?
Seriously though, I started the development in August last year and if my math is correct, that's nowhere near 1 year and 5 months.
Plus I already said numerous times, that the development of this game is a hobby for me. Like some others I have a full time job, that keeps me at work for at least 10 hours per day, 5 to 6 days a week.

This thread was made Dec 20, 2016. Which makes that one year and five months from today. If this date is wrong then I am wrong; but I don't think I was wrong in thinking that was near the time you originally created the game. I'm not sure how everyone else keeps track of the age of Visual Novels through this site, but that is how I do it.

I wasn't trying to be rude in my post, but I can see how it would be taken that way. My examples weren't to point out specific scenes to be fixed, but were used to illustrate the point I was trying to make.

 

[KinneyX23]

I assumed that when you made your renders, it was using a higher quality, then down-sized them and converted into webP. I wasn't asking for a different format, simply a higher quality version. If that's not available, so be it.

No I didn't decrease the quality, I just changed the format from png to webp with a lossless conversion.

I have played multiple versions of your game, except the latest, 5a. There are no patch notes in the thread about it yet. I assumed you had made some sort of bug-fix in your coding which is usually why 5.x or 5x versions would be released.

The precious version that was available here was a beta, where a lot of content was still missing, which is why that release was called 0.05 beta. The naming of the thread was a bit misleading, I give you that. But the changelog posted in the OP is what changed from 0.04 and in some regards the beta of 0.05. So in short 0.05a fixes most of the problems that you mentioned and adds more content.

This thread was made Dec 20, 2016. Which makes that one year and five months from today. If this date is wrong then I am wrong; but I don't think I was wrong in thinking that was near the time you originally created the game. I'm not sure how everyone else keeps track of the age of Visual Novels through this site, but that is how I do it.

Actually no it wasn't:


Like I said I started in August 2017 and not in December 2016. I think you are talking about Intimate Relations from Ptolemy. And yes I'm aware that the naming is unfortunate, but the game is based on a story that's nearly 6 years old now.

I wasn't trying to be rude in my post, but I can see how it would be taken that way. My examples weren't to point out specific scenes to be fixed, but were used to illustrate the point I was trying to make.

Don't worry about it. I wasn't offended, it's just that some people tend to use wrong facts to prove that they are right and that's something that kind of pisses me off.

 

[ShocLite12]

Nice update, but I feel like there is too much jumping back and forth that could cause a person to lose interest in the game. Hopefully the prologue with Bethany as a teenager gets expanded with the next update because it currently seems choppy and a sharp detour from the main story. I also feel like the conversations in certain parts are getting cut off or started up too quickly in some parts to where there is no smooth flow from one scene to the next; an example of this is the daughter's birthday being sprung on the reader without any indication in a prior scene or day.
I do not know why, but I am unable to get the sex scene between the brother and sister to execute (being mean or nice to Charlie does nothing). I also found several bugs at the end of the game where it is supposed to ended at a certain spot and show the credits; instead, it jumps back to a previous scene with Bethany behind the dumpster and then shows me a slew of errors (eight I believe).
Overall, I do like the story, the pace, and the character renders and am looking forward to the next update. Personally, I am hoping that Izzy becomes an option to seduce sometime in the near future.

 

[KinneyX23]

@ShocLite12
The prologue will be expanded, but that won't happen with the next version of the main game. The Prologue is and always will be a seprate game that's just a part of the main game for the moment. I can't even promise that it will stay that way.
All that I can say so far is that I will focus on the prologue for the next month.

There is a certain condition to get the scene with the son and the other girl. The bug you are describing should be fixed with the ending.rpy attached to the OP.


And talking about Izzy. I didn't add her just as eyecandy. That's all I'm saying.

 

[phreakinowski]

Actually no it wasn't:
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Like I said I started in August 2017 and not in December 2016. I think you are talking about Intimate Relations from Ptolemy. And yes I'm aware that the naming is unfortunate, but the game is based on a story that's nearly 6 years old now.

Actually it looks like they mistook the day you created your F95 account with the day the thread started, an easy mistake to make really. Right under your profile image at the start of the thread it does say Dec 20, 2016... so that's definitely where this particular confusion came from.

 

[215303j]

My plan is to add a new entry on the main menu to give the players the possibility to just play the new scenes and hopefully not force them to replay.

To be honest, I wouldn't waste too much time on that.
In Ren'Py it's so easy to skip content, they should be able to skip to the parts they want to see quite quickly.

 

[letsdothisthing]

To be honest, I wouldn't waste too much time on that.
In Ren'Py it's so easy to skip content, they should be able to skip to the parts they want to see quite quickly.

As a story gets longer, it becomes harder to want to start from the beginning again. The problem arises when changes are made to parts of the story in which the user has a choice. If the user has not seen that particular scene, all the choices have not been made. So you must either set default choices (variables) if they choose to skip the content, or make them re-play the content.

I have another suggestion: If you make a chapter system, sort of like a story index, with chapter titles (also showing whether the user has completed the chapter yet), then the player can simply click on the new chapter which happens at an earlier point in the story, instead of going back to the very beginning. This option has its problems too, but I think it is one of the best solutions. Besides, of course, making the story perfectly every update and in a linear fashion (probably impossible).

 

[myuhinny]

The mother in the intro was so scary looking I had to convert files to jpg so I could place a black dot over her whole head to prevent nightmares and then converted them back to webp. Some scenes don't seem to match. Flash back of son whacking off to sister. Brother and mother have one look then the next day the mom has a butch hair cut and the son looks way older. I also find it funny that the mother is going off on the son about doing inappropriate shit and she's walking around with a transparent see through shirt.

Daughter goes into the clothing store wearing slutty outfit but is shown later wearing the checkered shirt and black pants instead of the slutty outfit at the check out.

Shower scene with Beth daughter walks in wearing black underwear then next pictures show the daughter wearing that same checkered shirt for the rest of the scene.

Alex pictures seem to jump from one version to a different version not that I'm that interested in her or the son I think I'll mostly only pay attention to only Eva. But might go after some side characters if they tweak my interest.

 

[KinneyX23]

Yes, I'm aware of those flaws and I'm working on a fix right now.

 

[Fzoner95]

The mother in the intro was so scary looking I had to convert files to jpg so I could place a black dot over her whole head to prevent nightmares and then converted them back to webp.

Hey, I got an idea for a new avatar!

 

[KinneyX23]

@Fzoner95

Lol ^^ Nice idea but I think I will keep Stana Katic.



But to give you guys a status report. I fixed some bugs, adjusted the dialogue in some scenes a bit and made some other minor adjustments. One of my patrons gave me a pretty long list of suggestions and I intend to implement most of his suggestions. A lot of those suggestions would force you to restart the game again, but I don't want to force you to do that. So I'm working on a way to add a main menu entry that will give the player the option to restart from a specific day in the game.
I also pulled the prologue from the start of the game and added it to the main menu:

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Also the changelog for the "fixed" 0.05 is almost done and will be available tomorrow or the day after. When I'm done with all the adjustments to the main game though, there won't be a new update for a few weeks, because I want to focus on the prologue first and get it to a decent length, with a couple of new scenes and a changed mom:

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[myuhinny]

@Fzoner95

That wouldn't work since there are many addons out there that can be used to remove/hide specific things on a page like a persons avatar.

 

[zerodead]

I wanted to know if you have Walkthrough?

 

[sam1234567]

Well, I won't abandon it anytime soon, or ever, for that matter, until the story is finished.
Oh by the way, if anyone has tips, criticism or any advice, how I can make the "game" better, than that would be really great.

like your game great premise incredibly interesting and great to see something incredibly different to whats normally out there. just a personal suggestion have u considered changing the izzy character to be the older sister of eva rather than her aunt? to me she just looks so much younger than bethany and the way bethany and her act towards each other and the way she acts to eva just seems to lean more towards the role of a big sister/ oldest daughter than it does her aunt / younger sister

 

[KinneyX23]

I wanted to know if you have Walkthrough?

No.


@sam1234567
Actually no, I didn't think about changing Izzy to be Evas sister, because then Beth would have been 10-12 when she was pregnant. And that's not gonna happen same as changing Beth's (38) or Evas (21/22) age.

 

[sam1234567]

actually how old are the characters cause i figured beth is in her mid to late 30s and eva is 18-19 and charlie is 19-20. that' why i suggested izzy being the older sister cause she looks like shes 21-23yrs old

@sam1234567
Actually no, I didn't think about changing Izzy to be Evas sister, because then Beth would have been 10-12 when she was pregnant. And that's not gonna happen same as changing Beth's (38) or Evas (21/22) age.[/QUOTE]

 

[KinneyX23]

That's answered in the intro. But here are the ages of the characters of the main game:

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Prologue:

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