Ren'Py Innocence or Money [S2 E1 Fix1] [MarcialART]

[wildride69]

Nope... Not false statement...

The most important is to be sure to understand what the dev wanted to say... Not make assumptions about it and take them as true.
The choice we can enterily make (it means throughout the game) is to keep MC innocent if we want... Nothing more. I mean he did not promise more than that : read again what he wrote in the screenshot I posted above.
That is what the dev wanted to say. I know that because I asked him about that matter a few weeks after I subscribed three years ago in order to understand how the game will work.
That is why I said you are overthinking what he wrote : any other interpretation is just false.

If I am not mistaken (I did not play innocent), players that want to keep MC innocent can do it : no sexual content implying loss of innocence is forced.

I am not sure I understand your complaint about the massage center : the ugly guy was harrassing MC and she did not like it, therefore it makes sense to not have choices to make about that sexual content (I do not remember entirely if she loses innocence though, I think she did not).
Is that what you are referring to ?
And something I spoke about a while ago that will be in next update : the dev made a feature about the content in massage center : a menu in which players can decide how far MC goes with her customers. Again it makes sense : she can work there while staying innocent if players want it so.


Really ? A lot of VNs in which you have a girl/woman having stats about her growing lust to help the devs follow what she is ready to do or not to be able to have a cohesive story and all being optional ? You got me curious about them... Please give me names...

You're a better man than me I gave up, their is know reasoning to be done here when people are determined to be mad about nothing, but I salute your efforts God Speed and Good Luck with this one!

 

[HikBenAkk]

You're a better man than me I gave up, their is know reasoning to be done here when people are determined to be mad about nothing, but I salute your efforts God Speed and Good Luck with this one!

* blush * ^^

 

[cyberSpacePirat]

The most important is to be sure to understand what the dev wanted to say... Not make assumptions about it and take them as true.
The choice we can enterily make (it means throughout the game) is to keep MC innocent if we want... Nothing more. I mean he did not promise more than that : read again what he wrote in the screenshot I posted above.

If I am not mistaken (I did not play innocent), players that want to keep MC innocent can do it : no sexual content implying loss of innocence is forced.

I'm not sure about that.
Some things can be avoided, but if you reject the landlord (don't let him group MC or fuck her) you are stuck in the loop and the story can not move forward.
But I play the corrupt route, so it's not a problem for me

 

[HikBenAkk]

I'm not sure about that.
[...] if you reject the landlord (don't let him group MC or fuck her) you are stuck in the loop and the story can not move forward.

Hi cyberSpacePirat,

If so, it is not a feature, it is a bug. ^^!

Best Regards.

 

[Singham729]

Hi Singham729,

You really are eager to have news ^^!

On saturday, some pics from photshoot place and MC kissing her landlord in a car... The dev also said he is working on klast event of the update which seems to be a big one.

On Sunday, some pics from the night club in which we see MC, her landlord and the landlord best friend introduced in first season he was hanging out with. The labndlord introduced MC to him.

Best Regards.

Can u give a spoiler??

 

[kritoku]

Can u give a spoiler??

MC will fuck landlord again obviously also could be some action in massage center as far as i understand.
I hope the MC wear black stockings while fucking at least once.

 

[Prokopije]

Nope... Not false statement...

The most important is to be sure to understand what the dev wanted to say... Not make assumptions about it and take them as true.
The choice we can enterily make (it means throughout the game) is to keep MC innocent if we want... Nothing more. I mean he did not promise more than that : read again what he wrote in the screenshot I posted above.
That is what the dev wanted to say. I know that because I asked him about that matter a few weeks after I subscribed three years ago in order to understand how the game will work.
That is why I said you are overthinking what he wrote : any other interpretation is just false.

If I am not mistaken (I did not play innocent), players that want to keep MC innocent can do it : no sexual content implying loss of innocence is forced.

I am not sure I understand your complaint about the massage center : the ugly guy was harrassing MC and she did not like it, therefore it makes sense to not have choices to make about that sexual content (I do not remember entirely if she loses innocence though, I think she did not).
Is that what you are referring to ?
And something I spoke about a while ago that will be in next update : the dev made a feature about the content in massage center : a menu in which players can decide how far MC goes with her customers. Again it makes sense : she can work there while staying innocent if players want it so.


Really ? A lot of VNs in which you have a girl/woman having stats about her growing lust to help the devs follow what she is ready to do or not to be able to have a cohesive story and all being optional ? You got me curious about them... Please give me names...

Well, the thing is that WE CAN NOT keep MC innocent. Keeping innocence is not just preventing "innocence lost". Harrassment is sexual content, if there is no option to prevent/reject it - it's forced sexual content aka not dependable on our choice. So, give us choice to punch/stab/bash his head with something abomination when he makes first move. Whatever.
I don't know why dev made it mandatory, I know some devs like to insert self sim into game, so maybe it's his self sim and he decided that this dude is mandatory because no one have right to reject his "advances". I don't know, could be anything. Because from story point, on innocence path at least, it have zero sense. You can try to defend him all you want, but you're wrong.
Look, hypothetically. Dude goes towards her, you give choice "run" or "freeze". Second choice - scene as it is now. First choice, she escapes to hallway, nothing happens, boss conversation - go to future activities menu from there. Innocence points for one choice, corruption points for another. Few extra renders and few lines of code, nothing complicated, no extra routes or paths. It depends on players choice, to each their own. Everybody happy.

I said game where sex content related to MC is optional. But if you want female protag, try Bright Past, it's few levels more complex than this, nothing forced, and you will also see proper implementation of sandbox. Not this linear excuse of sandbox, like we have in this game. You have main story and bunch of optional side quests. Try Wife and a mother - also nothing forced. Try EvaKiss games.

 

[xert13]

Well, the thing is that WE CAN NOT keep MC innocent. Keeping innocence is not just preventing "innocence lost". Harrassment is sexual content, if there is no option to prevent/reject it - it's forced sexual content aka not dependable on our choice. So, give us choice to punch/stab/bash his head with something abomination when he makes first move. Whatever.
I don't know why dev made it mandatory, I know some devs like to insert self sim into game, so maybe it's his self sim and he decided that this dude is mandatory because no one have right to reject his "advances". I don't know, could be anything. Because from story point, on innocence path at least, it have zero sense. You can try to defend him all you want, but you're wrong.
Look, hypothetically. Dude goes towards her, you give choice "run" or "freeze". Second choice - scene as it is now. First choice, she escapes to hallway, nothing happens, boss conversation - go to future activities menu from there. Innocence points for one choice, corruption points for another. Few extra renders and few lines of code, nothing complicated, no extra routes or paths. It depends on players choice, to each their own. Everybody happy.

I said game where sex content related to MC is optional. But if you want female protag, try Bright Past, it's few levels more complex than this, nothing forced, and you will also see proper implementation of sandbox. Not this linear excuse of sandbox, like we have in this game. You have main story and bunch of optional side quests. Try Wife and a mother - also nothing forced. Try EvaKiss games.

You are really splitting hairs here. The overall point made by the previous poster still holds true: you can play the innocent path. The “sexual” harassment is not sex or cheating. It simply isn’t. You want the MC to have NO temptation. Where is the fun in that? Why play the game at all? Dig out old Playboy magazines and look at them. That’s what the game would be reduced to by your logic. I believe there are numerous vanilla, story based games on steam that might appeal.

 

[Prokopije]

You are really splitting hairs here. The overall point made by the previous poster still holds true: you can play the innocent path. The “sexual” harassment is not sex or cheating. It simply isn’t. You want the MC to have NO temptation. Where is the fun in that? Why play the game at all? Dig out old Playboy magazines and look at them. That’s what the game would be reduced to by your logic. I believe there are numerous vanilla, story based games on steam that might appeal.

What made you spill that assumption? Advocating for everything to be optional does not mean no sexual activities at all. Just let players pick in which they want to engage MC and which to avoid. Just what's promised in description, nothing less, nothing more.

 

[HikBenAkk]

Well, the thing is that WE CAN NOT keep MC innocent. Keeping innocence is not just preventing "innocence lost". Harrassment is sexual content, if there is no option to prevent/reject it - it's forced sexual content aka not dependable on our choice. So, give us choice to punch/stab/bash his head with something abomination when he makes first move. Whatever.
I don't know why dev made it mandatory, I know some devs like to insert self sim into game, so maybe it's his self sim and he decided that this dude is mandatory because no one have right to reject his "advances". I don't know, could be anything. Because from story point, on innocence path at least, it have zero sense. You can try to defend him all you want, but you're wrong.
Look, hypothetically. Dude goes towards her, you give choice "run" or "freeze". Second choice - scene as it is now. First choice, she escapes to hallway, nothing happens, boss conversation - go to future activities menu from there. Innocence points for one choice, corruption points for another. Few extra renders and few lines of code, nothing complicated, no extra routes or paths. It depends on players choice, to each their own. Everybody happy.

I said game where sex content related to MC is optional. But if you want female protag, try Bright Past, it's few levels more complex than this, nothing forced, and you will also see proper implementation of sandbox. Not this linear excuse of sandbox, like we have in this game. You have main story and bunch of optional side quests. Try Wife and a mother - also nothing forced. Try EvaKiss games.

That is YOUR way to see "Innocence", not the dev's.
He designed an innocence meter for that purpose : measure MC's Innocence.

Watch carefully when the game make MC's Innocence decrease... It is when, through the players choices, MC decides on her own will to act naughtily instead of staying a good girl.
That is the essence of the choices of this game : choose for MC between staying a good girl or act naughtily... Read again OP post description by the dev, it is clear the game works that way I am saying to you.

I do not say your way of seeing Innocence is bad, I am just saying that you are no more legitimate (me either) about that matter than the dev in HIS game HE designed.

With that, you can understand the event with the ugly guy in massage center is NOT a loss of innocence, because MC did not act naughtily on her own, she was harrassed by the ugly guy.
I checked : MC did not lose innocence is that event with the ugly guy : 100% accurate.
The reason the dev to put this event may be to show us and MC the city is dangerous and full of bad guys. The dev also gave a name to this ugly guy, that means for me, like in any classic RPG, this guy is meant to be seen again.

Rather than "insert self sim", I see the dev to have his own style which is expected to not have a plain and boring game...
And other good games down here also have their own style.

As players, we are not legit to question such design choices only the dev can make... A game to not follow your way or meet your expectations does not mean it is bad or poorly made about choices.
The only right we, as players, have, is to decide if we like those choices or not...

I tried Bright Past, AWAM and GGGB a year ago...

• For what I remember (my memory is bad when I did not like what I played ^^!), Bright Past did not fulfilled my expectations about relevant choices : I mean I remember to have had the feeling I could not figure out the routes from the choices... I played not long, maybe 30 minutes of content before deleting and conclude : not for me.
• I have the same concern as many players here about AWAM : it lacks substancial progress in storyline and the character I had the most expectation in was Ellie but she did not have enough content and her route was not clear enough to be seen as promising by me: again, same conclusion... not for me.
• GGGB : I may be the only one but I see the drawing to be ugly (I do not like such comics-like visuals) and I did not like the flow of the game : again I remember to have had the feeling to not being able to choose easily between options on screen to figure out the route I may prefer.

I do not see where those games are doing better than this one with the choices put to player, I do not remember being impressed by their relevance (and how they shape the story) . Maybe my memory does not recall enough of them.

 

[HikBenAkk]

Can u give a spoiler??

Sorry, no pics. And the dev never put spoilers in the pics he posts.

 

[Singham729]

Sorry, no pics. And the dev never put spoilers in the pics he posts.

Is there any possibility that ep2 will release this year

 

[HeroHate]

Is there any possibility that ep2 will release this year

Apparently he tell's them seven days before, I assume one of them would state here it was coming, so I assume not. Has some fan's on here, patrons, best asking them I guess.

 

[Prokopije]

That is YOUR way to see "Innocence", not the dev's.
He designed an innocence meter for that purpose : measure MC's Innocence.

Watch carefully when the game make MC's Innocence decrease... It is when, through the players choices, MC decides on her own will to act naughtily instead of staying a good girl.
That is the essence of the choices of this game : choose for MC between staying a good girl or act naughtily... Read again OP post description by the dev, it is clear the game works that way I am saying to you.

I do not say your way of seeing Innocence is bad, I am just saying that you are no more legitimate (me either) about that matter than the dev in HIS game HE designed.

With that, you can understand the event with the ugly guy in massage center is NOT a loss of innocence, because MC did not act naughtily on her own, she was harrassed by the ugly guy.
I checked : MC did not lose innocence is that event with the ugly guy : 100% accurate.
The reason the dev to put this event may be to show us and MC the city is dangerous and full of bad guys. The dev also gave a name to this ugly guy, that means for me, like in any classic RPG, this guy is meant to be seen again.

Rather than "insert self sim", I see the dev to have his own style which is expected to not have a plain and boring game...
And other good games down here also have their own style.

As players, we are not legit to question such design choices only the dev can make... A game to not follow your way or meet your expectations does not mean it is bad or poorly made about choices.
The only right we, as players, have, is to decide if we like those choices or not...

I tried Bright Past, AWAM and GGGB a year ago...

• For what I remember (my memory is bad when I did not like what I played ^^!), Bright Past did not fulfilled my expectations about relevant choices : I mean I remember to have had the feeling I could not figure out the routes from the choices... I played not long, maybe 30 minutes of content before deleting and conclude : not for me.
• I have the same concern as many players here about AWAM : it lacks substancial progress in storyline and the character I had the most expectation in was Ellie but she did not have enough content and her route was not clear enough to be seen as promising by me: again, same conclusion... not for me.
• GGGB : I may be the only one but I see the drawing to be ugly (I do not like such comics-like visuals) and I did not like the flow of the game : again I remember to have had the feeling to not being able to choose easily between options on screen to figure out the route I may prefer.

I do not see where those games are doing better than this one with the choices put to player, I do not remember being impressed by their relevance (and how they shape the story) . Maybe my memory does not recall enough of them.

About mentioned games, if we like them or not because of this or that reason, bad drawing, I get it, I couldn't stand Summertime Saga because art is awful to my taste, despite being popular game, but that's not relevant. They're example that it is possible to make "everything is optional" game with multiple routes etc.
Just because someone is game developer, it doesn't mean he's "right" by default and that his visions and descriptions are more "legitimate" than those of "common players". I can make a game where I'll refer to blue color as red, but it wont change fact it's blue color. It wont make it "right" just because I'm the dev. Same way here. If you write "it will depend entirely on your choices" - it has only one true meaning. Same way some people see mommy and daddy having sex as NTR, I mean, it's ok it's their right, but it's not NTR. Because there is clear definition of it. Everything else is personal, more or less biased misinterpretation.
And that's what dev took from MC and players in that scene - a choice. Promised choice.
There were ways of "showing how dangerous city is" without breaking that promise. As I gave example in previous post. It is enough for rabid dog just to try to attack you, it doesn't need to bite you in order for you to realize "how dangerous it is".
But... since, clearly, none of us won't change opinion of another one, let's agree to disagree and move on instead of spinning into circles and "spamming" thread by repeating same things.

 

[Singham729]

Apparently he tell's them seven days before, I assume one of them would state here it was coming, so I assume not. Has some fan's on here, patrons, best asking them I guess.

HikBenAkk

 

[xert13]

Is there any possibility that ep2 will release this year

Yes. He is nearing the finish line. He has stated as such on his site. Anticipate it before end of December barring any unforeseen issues.

 

[HeroHate]

Is there any possibility that ep2 will release this year

Two weeks of the year left, with Christmas and New Year in that, I'll be skeptical to be honest. No word yet and it comes seven days later. So how many months is it since the initial release of last update?

 

[PickerLewd]

The dev is slowing down because he has created a complex system of menus in Jen masseuse's work with different clients and a star system.

I think when he continues the story it will go faster.

 

[Singham729]

The dev is slowing down because he has created a complex system of menus in Jen masseuse's work with different clients and a star system.

I think when he continues the story it will go faster.

Is there any release this yr ??

 

[xert13]

Is there any release this yr ??

Yes, season 2 was released this year already. Next release should be by end of year unless something comes up. Holidays always mess with Dev timelines.