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wlazinna

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Expectations.

A dev that sets expectation estimates is giving his supporters a time frame, and if you want to support, you expect for them to deliver roughly around the time they say they will. A Prime example of this is Being A Dik - BADIK, the expectations have been set for a yearly release, it's acceptable because he sets his supporters expectations clearly and usually he delivers good updates. You will be hard pressed to find more than a handful of users in that thread whining about his schedule.

I support five VN/Games in total atm and the devs set my expectations on release dates, upcoming plot lines and graphic designs of the models, so I am satisfied. If I have an issue I go directly to Subscribestar/Patreon/Discord to voice my concerns and speak to the dev directly. 99% of the Whining/Milking/crying posters here are simply free loaders, who will tell you how dumb you are for supporting any dev as if these titles are free and easy to make. Non supporters can complain all they like but it turns into 2-3 pages of bashing a dev because "OMG" the update is a week later than the exact date he said it would release on. A Dev should NOT give an exact release date until they are 100% certain they can hit that date. That's the point, if it's not 100% ready to go then don't announce it will be here on XYZ date.

Innocence or Money is very ambitious with it's translations alone! So many different people to be contacted and have translations completed, not to mention the different platforms it is available on (PC/MAC/Android). The Graphics quality is also very high, and in general when they release very few errors are missed, I'm fine with having some patience and playing something else until it's ready.
But you do realize that if no release date is specified, it could be today or in 10 years or never?
In your example, the Italian translation of “innocence or money” was so awful that I went back to the English.
“ The Graphics quality is also very high ,” but do you realize that they are purchased assets? Seen in 50 other games? Where is the time investment?
 
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But you do realize that if no release date is specified, it could be today or in 10 years or never?
In your example, the Italian translation of “innocence or money” was so awful that I went back to the English.
“ The Graphics quality is also very high ,” but do you realize that they are purchased assets? Seen in 50 other games? Where is the time investment?
Err….methinks you do not have any idea what it takes to produce a VN, with animations, proper posing, lighting, rendering etc….If it is as easy as just “purchasing assets” then let’s see your VN. God Forbid if you don’t give an exact date of release.
 

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Err….methinks you do not have any idea what it takes to produce a VN, with animations, proper posing, lighting, rendering etc….If it is as easy as just “purchasing assets” then let’s see your VN. God Forbid if you don’t give an exact date of release.
Err...methinks you reply without read

tophic of your reply is “ The Graphics quality is also very high ,” Graphic quality is determined solely by assets: polygons and textures. That's it. You can render at whatever resolution you want, but if the assets have a low number of polygons or low-resolution textures, the result will be poor. Therefore, assets are essential for high graphic quality.

Furthermore, I maintain that a date is needed for a project, and I found myself having to do vn, in your opinion.
 

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Err...methinks you reply without read

tophic of your reply is “ The Graphics quality is also very high ,” Graphic quality is determined solely by assets: polygons and textures. That's it. You can render at whatever resolution you want, but if the assets have a low number of polygons or low-resolution textures, the result will be poor. Therefore, assets are essential for high graphic quality.

Furthermore, I maintain that a date is needed for a project, and I found myself having to do vn, in your opinion.
Errr...methinks you are now trying to finesse your comment. You clearly were implying that there wasn't much to it and used graphics quality as an example. Now, you attempt to downplay your comment by hyper focusing on assets that can be purchased or obtained when the clear implication was that VN's are pretty easy to do and why isn't this Dev updating faster. Whatever, look forward to your VN with regular updates as determined by me and the rest of the forum.
 
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“ The Graphics quality is also very high ,” but do you realize that they are purchased assets? Seen in 50 other games? Where is the time investment?
wlazinna,

I also agree with xert13...

When you ask "Where is the time investment ?", we understood that for you the biggest task is to buy assets... and renders and whatever else tasks to be done are not big deal...
That's why you was told to try making a game before speaking the way you did...

You spoke about the games by Partedes... I like them too... I can also say that Partedes games do not have UI as sophisticated as this game has... I do not say it is a flaw... I just say this game to take time to be done is understable...

You said that "a date is needed for a project"... Of course !! It is required to work with milestones in order to have a good pace...
BUT none of us, YOU included, can tell better than the dev when such a date should be told.
In fact, what do you want ? Devs to foresee weeks, months ? This dev is used to make an hour of content per 5-6 months so far... He also posts weekly reports... That's it... Imho, he is doing his best... What else ?

This dev chose to tell the release date 7 days before release... No one is legit to question such a choice...
 

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I know people get aggressively defensive of this game, but it really is becoming one update per year and other than an added grind there is little to warrant this huge gap, but if the paying customer base is content than great. Again no issue with quality, that's there in this game and when they scenes are there they're handled pretty good, but gods the sheer lack of content is frustrating. They need to commit to the game and put more effort in, they obviously have the skill set already.
 

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I know people get aggressively defensive of this game, but it really is becoming one update per year and other than an added grind there is little to warrant this huge gap, but if the paying customer base is content than great. Again no issue with quality, that's there in this game and when they scenes are there they're handled pretty good, but gods the sheer lack of content is frustrating. They need to commit to the game and put more effort in, they obviously have the skill set already.
I think this is a game of rapid corruption, because in the first chapter, Jennifer has the option to go to bed and have sex with another man while her fiancé tries to call her cell phone. And slow updates... This combination makes the game a bit boring. I think after sex with Fred, Jen should have slowed down, but she's already become a slut... :rolleyes:
 

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I think this is a game of rapid corruption, because in the first chapter, Jennifer has the option to go to bed and have sex with another man while her fiancé tries to call her cell phone. And slow updates... This combination makes the game a bit boring. I think after sex with Fred, Jen should have slowed down, but she's already become a slut... :rolleyes:
Hi Yelow Submarine,

I give you my opinion :)...

I do not think it is accurate to see this game as slow or rapid corruption... Imho, this game dos not follow such a "mechanical/ technical rule" if I may say it that way...

Usually slow burn games are "slow" by design : the dev selects decisions about the story to fit the slow pace he decided as a design rule...

Here you saw an acceleration of her corruption in season 2...

  • In Season 1, her first step into corruption cost her a lot in terms of guilt : that's why you have the feeling of a slow pace here... It was not slow for the sake to be slow, it was slow because of the story : her inner fight against her growing lust...
  • In Season 2, she crossed the line she was desperately trying to not cross and in the last update of this Season 2 (in the shower, after the second time she was fucked by her landlord), she decided that from now on, she will allow herself the right to be fucked by the men she accepts.

I do not see her as a slut (not yet) : in fact, her boyfriend rejected her request (she practically begged him) to have sex with her.
It may be cruel, but no one can say she is a slut because she is having sex with others in such a situation...
HOWEVER she does have a flaw, she is a bit of a coward : she does not find the courage to speak to her BF honestly and tell him the truth... But who are we to judge her ? She must fear conflicts... and... it is sex she is involved in... Not love... ^^!
She still may have feelings to her BF, imho...

I am deeply eager to see how the dev will "solve" this situation... It cannot last forever that way... ^^!

And to you saying she should have slowed down... I think it is too late : she jumped out the plane ^^!

Best Regards.
 
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Hi Yelow Submarine,
I do not think it is accurate to see this game as slow or rapid corruption...
And to you saying she should have slowed down... I think it is too late : she jumped out the plane ^^!
It's not slow corruption it's SLOW DEVELOPING game about corruption.
Yeah, she jumped out of the plane and landed on someone's dick, and she likes it.
 

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LOL, I just got done playing this on the "money" path.
Once done, I went for the "innocence" path.

An interesting outcome for Adam's "path" is that if you go for the horny MILF and give in, you end up banging her in the locker room as we all know. If you resist her 100%... you end up banging her in the locker room with the same scene. So... why the menu choices? At least with him anyhow.

It takes a little longer to make money for the MC and you have no blackmail with the coffee shop guy if you are honest and do not steal from him. You have zero issues with Fred... still working through it, but... not much on the innocence path. The Dev definitely wanted you to be a horndog. heheh
 

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LOL, I just got done playing this on the "money" path.
Once done, I went for the "innocence" path.

An interesting outcome for Adam's "path" is that if you go for the horny MILF and give in, you end up banging her in the locker room as we all know. If you resist her 100%... you end up banging her in the locker room with the same scene. So... why the menu choices? At least with him anyhow.

It takes a little longer to make money for the MC and you have no blackmail with the coffee shop guy if you are honest and do not steal from him. You have zero issues with Fred... still working through it, but... not much on the innocence path. The Dev definitely wanted you to be a horndog. heheh

Funny, I played mostly innocent (IIRC 925 or so was my rating), essentially no old/ugly guys, no Fred, no coffee shop dude, only some of the better looking massage parlor customers (yay hypergamy). Yes it is a bit grindy but still a fun experience, I am glad the path exists.
 
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Funny, I played mostly innocent (IIRC 925 or so was my rating), essentially no old/ugly guys, no Fred, no coffee shop dude, only some of the better looking massage parlor customers (yay hypergamy). Yes it is a bit grindy but still a fun experience, I am glad the path exists.
Absolutely. Always happy to have an option. I'm aiming to maintain the 1000 innocence rating on the innocence path. I haven't completed it, been updating a couple other games, but I will.
 
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This was my first "true" game of this particular genre (I do not count mainstream slop "Forbidden Fantasy"). I was looking for a game with female MC, that is all about making money with unorthodox means. That it. The concept of "corruption" was unfamiliar to me, but it amused me, and well, it turns out I enjoy it. Anyhow, having now tried quite a few more games of this particular genre, I must say this one is still the best. Might just replay all the way from season 1 once new update drops.
 
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HikBenAkk can you tell about the latest weekend news
Hi Singham728,

On Saturday (3 days ago) :
MarcialART said:
I want to point out some important aspects of S2E3:

Pills to avoid pregnancy functionality: I've made a change on how the pills will work, the pills will work for a full day, so for example, if Jen have sex in the morning and she took a pill, she won't need to take another if she have sex again at night, this modify a little the code of S2E2, but the change is backwards compatible. (I'm even considering adding a pill icon in the top bar if Jen has swallowed a pill that day, and at the beginning of the next day, the pill icon will disappear )
So much effort put in it means, imho, pregnancy cannot but be important later in the game... I cannot wait :love:

On Sunday (2 days ago):
MarcialART said:
Hello people! I hope everyone is having a great Sunday! Like I said yesterday, today I'm going to show the new functionality if you choose the Bruce path. For those who would choose to avoid this path, they will miss a big chunk of this update and content in the future, but each one chooses what they want.

This is how the in-game repeatable scene will work; this will keep adding depth to the game. And open more options for the players.
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Once you follow Bruce's path, at night, before going to sleep (Note : in MC's bedroom), a new menu option will appear. "Extra options." (In case you don't follow his path, you will not see this in S2E3) But you will probably see it in the future because the idea is to keep adding options as new stuff appears.
The dev also posted pics in coffee shop... Content in it is most likely planned. :)

Best Regards.
 
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