VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13.2] [Nyx]

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Don't like Zack. Never have. I haven't gotten to where he betrays the MC yet. And, like I say, never liked him. He's a douche. But. Can you really blame him? I mean, he has a thing for Val, and the MC openly flirts with her. Even if you don't have them as a thing, he still does. Like, for instance, before the girls run topless to settle the bet. The MC and her are openly flirting, and Zack sees it. Just a thought.

tbh I got more triggered by the "drinking game's" treatment of Zack than any of the worst ntr games I've played. That scene hit way to close too home, I've seen it occur several times in real life. That and the hot tub guy-friend-talk on how to talk to women, blech. "just be playful! (hot)"

Yeah, he's a douche, but he's written as a douche, and I put more fault on nyx for that as a missed opportunity. It would make more sense if you backed him up and didn't throw him under the bus in earlier chapters then he doesn't take Ethan's side vs MC.

Though this also could just be a side effect of avn writing bending over backwards to not offend delicate flowers, if ya know what I mean.

 

[wizardcock]

yeah .. dev(s) do that ... they force things on players ... like they've got nothing to help out the storyline so lets force shit to happen .. cause the players might not want it .. but what ya gonna do ... sometimes things turn out good other times you get unwanted shit happening

I agree. The main thing is that in the future the mc no longer runs away somewhere like a hysterical woman or does not do rash things because of small things. What about flirting with Val... Well, it's basically his style of communication and it similar to hers (she has more covertly style), I didn't see anything strange here.

tbh I got more triggered by the "drinking game's" treatment of Zack than any of the worst ntr games I've played. That scene hit way to close too home, I've seen it occur several times in real life. That and the hot tub guy-friend-talk on how to talk to women, blech. "just be playful! (hot)"

Yeah, he's a douche, but he's written as a douche, and I put more fault on nyx for that as a missed opportunity. It would make more sense if you backed him up and didn't throw him under the bus in earlier chapters then he doesn't take Ethan's side vs MC.

Though this also could just be a side effect of avn writing bending over backwards to not offend delicate flowers, if ya know what I mean.

Yes, it would be logical: Zack and Valeria start dating, Zack is dumb in the relationship, and Valeria starts paying attention to the main character, who listens to girls, respects them. Then there would have been more drama, and Zach wouldn't have felt like a cartoon character, a completely unrealistic "clown".

 

[NewTricks]

Don't like Zack. Never have. I haven't gotten to where he betrays the MC yet. And, like I say, never liked him. He's a douche. But. Can you really blame him? I mean, he has a thing for Val, and the MC openly flirts with her. Even if you don't have them as a thing, he still does. Like, for instance, before the girls run topless to settle the bet. The MC and her are openly flirting, and Zack sees it. Just a thought.

The thing of it is that you can take every "Zack positive" decision the game allows you, ruining your relationship with Elena, Layla, Erynn, Alexis, and Val and you know what? Zack still betrays you. So fuck Zack. By far my worst playthrough. The only silver lining is that I got Iris in that one. She must be like the "Safety school" of girls.

 

[valbitterb]

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[ViperGts151]

anyone got a dating Alexis save for the end of latest version?(Cba to redownload and start again)

 

[cxx]

anyone got a dating Alexis save for the end of latest version?(Cba to redownload and start again)

ethuriel posted all paths saves except sha'carri many moons ago.

 

[LSC82]

Don't like Zack. Never have. I haven't gotten to where he betrays the MC yet. And, like I say, never liked him. He's a douche. But. Can you really blame him? I mean, he has a thing for Val, and the MC openly flirts with her. Even if you don't have them as a thing, he still does. Like, for instance, before the girls run topless to settle the bet. The MC and her are openly flirting, and Zack sees it. Just a thought.

The thing of it is that you can take every "Zack positive" decision the game allows you, ruining your relationship with Elena, Layla, Erynn, Alexis, and Val and you know what? Zack still betrays you. So fuck Zack. By far my worst playthrough. The only silver lining is that I got Iris in that one. She must be like the "Safety school" of girls.

Yeah this is the big problem, no matter if you avoided (specially) Val like the plague and by the time we get to the truth or dare she doesn't want anything to do with you, he still blames you.

If you are going for Valeria his reaction is understandable, he told you who he wanted and you undercut him, pure and simple.

tbh I got more triggered by the "drinking game's" treatment of Zack than any of the worst ntr games I've played. That scene hit way to close too home, I've seen it occur several times in real life.

It gets really nasty with him witnessing Valeria licking the MCs face.
The guy is dying inside.

yeah .. dev(s) do that ... they force things on players ... like they've got nothing to help out the storyline so lets force shit to happen .. cause the players might not want it .. but what ya gonna do ... sometimes things turn out good other times you get unwanted shit happening

Nyx wanted/needed the scene where the MC gets rescued by John/Val, and if Zach sides with the MC that could've been difficult to make it work.

 

[Talmadge]

Yeah this is the big problem, no matter if you avoided (specially) Val like the plague and by the time we get to the truth or dare she doesn't want anything to do with you, he still blames you.

If you are going for Valeria his reaction is understandable, he told you who he wanted and you undercut him, pure and simple.

I didn't avoid her. But I didn't chose things to totally push her away. I tried to be nice to her without the MC making moves on her. Yet, he still looked at her. And in the Truth or Dare, she did stuff with the MC instead of Zack. So I don't know.

 

[LSC82]

I didn't avoid her. But I didn't chose things to totally push her away. I tried to be nice to her without the MC making moves on her. Yet, he still looked at her. And in the Truth or Dare, she did stuff with the MC instead of Zack. So I don't know.

She never does stuff with Zach, the guy is never gonna get her, Darryl has better chances...
If you go really negative on her when dared she choses to do stuff(like licking) with the girls, if you are somewhat nice to her she picks the MC.

The complaint about the Zach betrayal scene is that even if you were the most loyal/helpful of friends, completely team Zach, he still betrays you.
If you do go for Valeria his anger is understandable.
With the scene that you got i guess he still thinks you are "stealing" Valeria which makes his betrayal "okish".

Going back on what ImperialD said, first the game pushes you into being "friends" with him despite many players not wanting that, second it forces a betrayal scene that always happens no matter which choices you made...

Basically when it comes to Zach the illusion of choices and consequences is very broken.

 

[Elduriel]

ethuriel posted all paths saves except sha'carri many moons ago.

almost got my name right But yes, it's been a while
https://f95zone.to/threads/intertwined-v0-11-2-nyx.53676/post-11545000

 

[anonnyscouse]

The Zach issue comes from Nyx's change of plans from her original story. Zach was setting up what was meant to be an amicable meeting between MC and Ethan, so it was never planned to be a betrayal. However because Nyx decided to cut the option of teaming up with Ethan and corrupting Erynn it automatically became MC going against Ethan and therefore it becomes a betrayal from Zach.

 

[Jacowboy]

I dunno, I don't agree about Zack... the whole point is that Zack is just a fuckin idiot and he's beyond "saving", so that no matter what, he'll "betray" you, even if you were nice to him, because he's an immature, insecure kid.

I kind of like it as is, although I wish Nyx would have written Zack in a more sympathetic light so that it stung even more when he "betrays" you no matter what.

 

[Acsuka]

The Zach issue comes from Nyx's change of plans from her original story. Zach was setting up what was meant to be an amicable meeting between MC and Ethan, so it was never planned to be a betrayal. However because Nyx decided to cut the option of teaming up with Ethan and corrupting Erynn it automatically became MC going against Ethan and therefore it becomes a betrayal from Zach.

And more people are happy about this change than those who would betray Erynn... Making a "stupid" out of a pussy-loving MC, whom all girls love, would not have been a smart idea... Of course, this "stupid" character also has the gamer audience... But this current version suits me and I don't mind not having a "traitor friend"...

 

[anonnyscouse]

And more people are happy about this change than those who would betray Erynn... Making a "stupid" out of a pussy-loving MC, whom all girls love, would not have been a smart idea... Of course, this "stupid" character also has the gamer audience... But this current version suits me and I don't mind not having a "traitor friend"...

It's worrying that there's so many changes from her original plans though, not just the lack of corruption storyline but also Nikki was meant to be killed in the car incident and Alexis was meant to be a one fuck character. The more the story diverges from the original plan the less likely the game will be completed or at least will be completed in a satisfactory way, most of her planned endgame has now changed with characters who weren't meant to be involved will have to now be involved and with Erynn the corruption storyline being tamed that's going to be changed significantally too.

 

[Maviarab]

It's worrying that there's so many changes from her original plans though, not just the lack of corruption storyline but also Nikki was meant to be killed in the car incident and Alexis was meant to be a one fuck character. The more the story diverges from the original plan the less likely the game will be completed or at least will be completed in a satisfactory way, most of her planned endgame has now changed with characters who weren't meant to be involved will have to now be involved and with Erynn the corruption storyline being tamed that's going to be changed significantally too.

While I do like this (or did, still not restarted it yet), this is always an issue with VN's that are not actually written in full first (story). If you just make up the story as it goes along, it will always have problems, always. Write your story, stick to it (and tell dissenters to go feck themselves) and don't change it unnecessarily.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Nikki was meant to be killed in the car incident

I am glad they changed this, she is the best character for me.

 

[Acsuka]

It's worrying that there's so many changes from her original plans though, not just the lack of corruption storyline but also Nikki was meant to be killed in the car incident and Alexis was meant to be a one fuck character. The more the story diverges from the original plan the less likely the game will be completed or at least will be completed in a satisfactory way, most of her planned endgame has now changed with characters who weren't meant to be involved will have to now be involved and with Erynn the corruption storyline being tamed that's going to be changed significantally too.

Yes, I know the original version of Nikki and Alex, as well as the corruption of Erynn...Okay, now I'm going to be biased, I love all three characters, so if the original version had remained, I wouldn't have a beautiful girlfriend Nikki, who might be pregnant...I wouldn't be nice to Alex, who probably has the most content in the game...And wouldn't it be lovable and cute Erynn who I chase on her solo journey...So I'm very happy about that and of course that's just me...Surely she would be a nice and cute girl instead if the old version would have remained, but we know that it is never the players, but the authors, who decide what to implement...And that is fine...And are the changes worrying? Forget it, because they were just plans... The finished version is here and everyone has to accept it, whether they like it or not...

 

[xsikal]

I am glad they changed this, she is the best character for me.

Agreed. Nikki is my favorite.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

It gets really nasty with him witnessing Valeria licking the MCs face.
The guy is dying inside.

I could see that causing intense jealousy for Zach, but what I found so nasty was how ALL the girls treat Zach during the game. The "lick/kiss your own hand" kind of thing. It's a party drinking game.....I know that scene probably wont offend the typical f95 player because they gobble up this kind of "cut other guys down to ensure mc success", but I found it way too mean-spirited.

The Zach issue comes from Nyx's change of plans from her original story. Zach was setting up what was meant to be an amicable meeting between MC and Ethan, so it was never planned to be a betrayal. However because Nyx decided to cut the option of teaming up with Ethan and corrupting Erynn it automatically became MC going against Ethan and therefore it becomes a betrayal from Zach.

Yeah this is what I meant by

Though this also could just be a side effect of avn writing bending over backwards to not offend delicate flowers, if ya know what I mean.

Problem is this kind of story sterilization leads to things seeming out of place or odd, it's like an example I posted in another thread imagining a war movie with all the good guy deaths taken out.

I'm not suggesting I would have loved a Erynn corruption story, she's one of my favorites, and usually do the romance path with her. But at least more choices would make the game feel more impactful. Imagine how much more meaningful an Erynn romance path would be if you knew that without your intervention, she'd basically become a call girl for Ethan, hating her life between liasons - but instead you rescued her.

 

[HentaiKami]

I could see that causing intense jealousy for Zach, but what I found so nasty was how ALL the girls treat Zach during the game. The "lick/kiss your own hand" kind of thing. It's a party drinking game.....I know that scene probably wont offend the typical f95 player because they gobble up this kind of "cut other guys down to ensure mc success", but I found it way too mean-spirited.

Personally don't mind if there's male friend for MC that gets in on some action with LI MC isn't pursuing, but sadly in many cases the male sidekick/friend is really intolerable. Either he is extremely immature jackass, or pure idiot that makes things worse everytime they try to help. For once i would like to game writers to make likeable male characters that aren't MC and don't get kicked down in the games. Sadly Zach happens to belong to the extremely immature jackass category, with little to no redeeming qualities, at least with how the plot is currently progressing.