VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13.2] [Nyx]

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anonnyscouse

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The problem is that a lot of people are asking for more realism in AVNs.

The MC/Elena/Layla situation is very realistic. MC comes back to town and knows virtually no-one, runs into an attractive girl on his first day at school and gets close to her, but gets to know her best friend through her and realises he likes her more, that's a realistic scenario. From the other side Elena doesn't have time to socialise due to school and family life but gets to know the new guy through her best friend and catches feeling for him, again it's a realistic scenario. Yes it's a shitty situation and if Nyx continues with the realism it will at the very least put considerable strain on Layla and Elena's friendship, but that doesn't make it a bad storyline or bad writing.
 
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Justaphase

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Kpyna said:
You've given an good example, but it doesn't really fit the situation. Val has just appeared, compairing to Elena & Lexi for example, no one knows her, friendship lasting for one month and for several years is not the same thing. Layla & Elena are besties for years, Layla & Lexi are sisters. It's a first major part and difference in situations and their possible outcomes. Then it comes to the second part, which is also intertwined with your next quote. Regarding this particular game , it's plot, story and universe - we are only allowed to get closer to Elena if we're doing well with Layla.

Nyx written and made it this way. Elena is opening and warming up to MC while seeing how good he is treating Layla. Because Elena knows that Layla have issues and still in trouble after Lucas case. And Elena have her own issues and "situation" too. If MC is not interested in Layla - they aren't getting close with Elena enough to make her being interested in MC as well. Elena & Layla are protecting each other in different ways. Elena's protection lies in a way to control how particular guy treats Layla as a girl (take Zach as example). She kinda looks after her. While Layla's help and care of Elena is more mundane or better to say practical. She knows her family and social/financial situation quite well and help her in different ways. The most frank example and one that was shown and hinted to us - that she is sharing clothes with her. At such particular period of life and girl's age it means a lot. Imagine Elena w/o Layla around and and all alone - poor thing.

And I think this particular friendship and their whole relationship is written quite well and deep enough to bring player different reasons and emotions and make this final choice complicated enough.


The thing is... story is good and can touch and bite you in a different ways only if you can somehow relate/believe/trust in it. Life is complicated thing as well as any kind of relationships.
If the game story makes you feel like shit after doing something bad to imaginary character(s) - then it's written good enough. It means that you kinda care about story and it's characters and you have invested more or less emotions into it. And following a "clean" single LI path is not a guarantee of drama free path and pass if story is really well done.

Finally, we have enough range of reasons to play/watch/read something and different goals at the end or during this process as well. Signs of a good product (in our case - decent AVN game) that you interested in story and plot and you care about characters. Or you (and others) write something like this on F95 and other forums and chats.

Someone just wants to distance a bit (or not just a bit) from real life, someone wants to experience something that is not available to him in real life, someone wants to feel certain emotions or their spectrum, etc. Simple desire to just jerk off can't be forgotten as well, but I think the games like this particular one is not compatible with it, since focus is not on sex and lews scenes as is, but on relationships and bringing different emotions to player first of all. First sign of game which is intended as a pure jerk off material - no characters conflicts, no real feelings and emotions while playing. Just juicy pictures and scenes, harems, zero consequences, even little ones or they mean nothing or lead to more and more sex rather than making you feel bad/uncomfortable/guilty etc.
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Don't get me wrong, I agree that Intertwined is well written. It's my second favourite AVN and the writing is a massive part of that. I just wish that there were another way to get on to Elena's path that doesn't involve hurting Layla, as at the moment Elena is off limits to me because I don't want to hurt her or their friendship. But it is what it is I guess.
 
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Kpyna

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Justaphase said:
Don't get me wrong, I agree that Intertwined is well written. It's my second favourite AVN and the writing is a massive part of that. I just wish that there were another way to get on to Elena's path that doesn't involve hurting Layla, as at the moment Elena is off limits to me because I don't want to hurt her or their friendship. But it is what it is I guess.
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I did't get you wrong, I just tried to tell that the good game of this genre shouldn't be too simple and carefree when it comes to relationships, love, feelings, etc in compare with real life. This aspect makes you feel that story is well written, believe in it and expect full range of emotions. Life is not only the comedy nor the tragedy or depression, it always something in between. And you are allowed to adjust the degree of where story is going for you personally, and choices/branches/conflicts are there to help you tune the story in one or another way. Like in interactive book.

There're no easy LI paths in Intertwined if you'll look better on whole story and from the MC perspective. So Elena's & Layla's part in story and choice between them is just a piece of the whole pie. If you think that some of the other choices are more easy - it's just your view and perspective, your own perception. And some parts of story is still not told to us to get us the whole picture. For example, we know nothing of Lexi in period between MC's last days in the city and up to current time in game universe. But at the same time it means nothing for Layla - in compare, because she is younger and her only major issue from the past is Lucas, up to this moment.
 
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Elduriel said:
yup, I avoid any and all drama in my saves, no mixing of LIs or whatever. It's possible, so if someone fucks up it's on them, the game gives you lots of options.
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but but what about blood for the blood god he feeds on chaos and drama :cry: :cry: :cry:
 
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Dessolos

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cxx said:
again didn't say that but chances that mc will fuck her are basically 0 on any path.
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yeah the only way I see it happening is if she gets really drunk. Otherwise I think it would be out of character for her to do so
 
xapican

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Dessolos said:
blood god he feeds on chaos and drama
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Yeah that morron brought us a power outage at the telenovela time, do you know how it is dealing with, your girlfriend and Mom in Law in a mood which let's a Grizzly be a lamb ??
 
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