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This definitely wasn't premeditated, Ethan had to tell Zach that it was MC that beat his ass in the scene with Erynn, Zach just took his internal resentment added it to one side of a story and went ape shit.
Maybe I'm forgetting something but when did he say he wants to hurt the MC?
Yep he went straight to Ethan, but we don't know the circumstances. It's pretty well known that Zach lacks the ability to self reflect or he would have guessed where his issues with women stem from by now, so he likely hasn't thought about it at all.
I'm not saying Zach isn't a jackass, he's definitely in the wrong, I'm just saying he's redeemable once he realizes whats actually going on.
Zach leads MC directly to Ethan and his two goons, so what did he think would happen? A nice civilized conversation? I don't think anyone could be quite that ignorant.
And there was really no scuffle. It was one sucker punch by Zach after which the goons grab MC. Again, what did he think would happen before he buggered off into the building? Another nice civilized conversation?
Zach doesn't explicitly say he wants to hurt the MC, Ethan directly and overtly implies it, and Zach asks essentially what the plan was.
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Their actual plans aren't shown(probably to surprise us when it happens), but clearly "send him back to that hole he came from" isn't something positive would you agree?
After the small fade to black where they discuss what they plan to do... the scene picks back up and they are still on the same page and seeing eye to eye.
At no point Zach ever questions Ethan on anything, show unwillingness to play his part or defends the MCs character.
And that's after telling Ethan about John and seeing Ethan make a sus as fuck phone call to some guy... how dumb do you have to be to see that this guy is up to some dangerous stuff?
What circumstances are there? He arrived from his trip and went to see Ethan at the club, he could've seeked out the MC to talk things over, he didn't do that...
Clearly he's still in the same mental place he was before his trip, blaming the guy for everything and (as we just discussed) even willing to help his new buddy hurt him.
With Ethan clearly stating that he means harm to the MC... how much more of a "he doesn't know" pass should we give this guy?
I'm done giving "idiot credit" to this motherfucker... he's hurting people, actual friends and at this point "i didn't know" isn't good enough, it's right there on his face.
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Yea fuck Zach at this point, if he's stupid enough to believe the not even believable lies that Ethan tells him and is willing to give out information that will hurt people and is willing to have someone force a girl to be into him then he's a piece of shit that needs to be nowhere near mc regardless of whether he's redeemed storywise or not.
The stupidity excuse has worn off for me... it's too much, the stupidity went too far...
Even if somehow he ends up helping bring Ethan down, i'm not one for "Darth Vader redemptions".
"I did some really horrible shit, but now i feel really bad... so i'm a good guy now right?"
Fuck off.
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I've corrected a small spelling error in your post. I'm thinkin' we could give Tori that task... Jus' Sayin'
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Just when you think you can't hate Zach any more then you get to the end of the update not sure who I hate moe Zach for be possible the dumbest excuse for a so call friend or Ethan hope we get so kind of payback against one of them in the next update
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The thing is, Vader's redemption came by destroying a Galactic threat through self-sacrifice.
So unless Zach dies saving the world, any redemption would pale in comparison.
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The worst part about this story is my speculation that Ethan probably isn't even the main bad guy. He's giving off that main henchman energy with his pathetic ness.
It also came after decades of helping subjugate this same galaxy... decades of violence, torture, persecution...
Despite his help he'd have to face punishment had he survived and i don't think many would hail him as saviour(other than Luke).
That scene where even his henchman had to avoid telling him how pathetic he is... was just a terminal shot to his (already low) credibility.
Maybe his dad will take the lead...
You suspect Zane right?
Personally i would go the Iris route.I've corrected a small spelling error in your post. I'm thinkin' we could give Tori that task... Jus' Sayin'
She would take great pleasure doing that to both Ethan and Zach, i think
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Nah, I think he's just another asshole. My current theory, without enough information, is his father. No way do I believe that he doesn't know what's going on at his company.It also came after decades of helping subjugate this same galaxy... decades of violence, torture, persecution...
Despite his help he'd have to face punishment had he survived and i don't think many would hail him as saviour(other than Luke).
That scene where even his henchman had to avoid telling him how pathetic he is... was just a terminal shot to his (already low) credibility.
Maybe his dad will take the lead...
You suspect Zane right?
Personally i would go the Iris route.
She would take great pleasure doing that to both Ethan and Zach, i think
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Doesn't his father also own the club where Ethan is pimping out the models from the agency? No way he doesn't at least know of what's going on.
Like i said i can see the father taking over too, too much going on in his company for him to be oblivious...
Thinking back in the "Kyle Johnson" scene Ethan was saying how this is his big chance to prove himself, no doubt looking to score a big client and show to big bad Daddy.
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I'd like that too, getting punched in the face and doing nothing leaves a bitter taste. At the very least, we should be able to get revenge when school starts, I'm tired of this stupid shit Zach does, the guy is a born loser and still blames others for it. He's indefensible, when he goes to Ethan for help with Val, what does he expect the guy to do? It's clear he has no character, just like Ethan.
How to spot non-Americans tell a story that take place in America? They use the metric system when talking about weight. American use lbs. No problem with, just felt like teasing. Good story so far, keep it coming.
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And the non-Americans among us are grateful
I think there's some non American spelling going on too.
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I like the ones where the 18 year old characters are going to bars in the US.And the non-Americans among us are grateful
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You're making some assumptions about that scene that I see no basis for. I DID however forget that part of the ethan/zach convo in the latest update, so I'll have to reconsider my opinions.
You are right. Unfortunately some assumptions do need to be made, as a lot of details are skipped over.
Some parts we are made privy to, such as the conversation at the end with Ethan and Zach. MC wasn't there, but you can see Zach being sucked in further with the manipulation. Same with Ethan's plan to get back at MC if he intervened at the bar or Zach wanting Val. MC wasn't there, but it was convenient for the story.
We don't see what, or how many times, Zach and Ethan talked before the confrontation. Who sought out who? What did they agree on? Because that part isn't relevant to the author's story, it's all speculation. Perhaps Zach went to Ethan first.. he certainly seems mad the MC steals all his women, even if you are on neither Layla or Val's paths. That'd change things a lot more than Ethan approaching Zach and manipulating him due to his stupidity/ignorance but being more close/trusted to the MC.