VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13.2] [Nyx]

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This has gone way beyond a misunderstanding into a near aiding and abetting of Ethan's criminal activities.

(Or Ethan could set up Zach as a patsy, fall guy.)

And Zach's actions - even if they are unknowing and ignorant - will help endanger more people like Val, John and Iris.

This is no longer just a falling out between two former friends.

I agree, he came back and went straight for Ethan.
He's not thinking about apologizing, he teams up with a guy that openly wants to hurt his "friend".
He's helping Ethan and putting people(ones that are true friends of the MC) in harms way.

If later he sees Valeria or Erynn being harmed by Ethan, or someone somehow convinces him that Ethan is the bad one...
And Zach helps bring him down... Good for him i guess, but in terms of being a friend the damage is done.

No amount of sad, apologetic, faces will make me forget that he chose to trust this Ethan piece of shit over "me", and teamed up with him to screw me and my friends over.

 

[cxx]

I voted for Black Widow. Not many girls in Intertwined can pull off Jessica Rabbit besides Nikki.

adriana could.

 

[ModiThorrson]

Wasn't just the case of a disagreement though. The whole story is a lot more premeditated.

There was a disagreement turned into a premade plan. Zach invited the MC to something he had planned that he wanted to do before him and his family left for spring break. MC gets into Zach's car for the plan who directly takes him to Ethan and his two goons. He then hits the MC after venting about all his issues of the MC stealing his girls. He then leaves the MC with Ethan and his two goons.

Getting into an altercation happens with friends, sometimes it can go over the top. But this was taken to a whole new level.

This definitely wasn't premeditated, Ethan had to tell Zach that it was MC that beat his ass in the scene with Erynn, Zach just took his internal resentment added it to one side of a story and went ape shit.

And furthermore now that he's back in town(after one week to think about things), he doesn't feel bad for his actions and wants to apologize, he sides with his new pal Ethan that openly says he plans to harm his old friend.

Maybe I'm forgetting something but when did he say he wants to hurt the MC?

I agree, he came back and went straight for Ethan.
He's not thinking about apologizing, he teams up with a guy that openly wants to hurt his "friend".
He's helping Ethan and putting people(ones that are true friends of the MC) in harms way.

Yep he went straight to Ethan, but we don't know the circumstances. It's pretty well known that Zach lacks the ability to self reflect or he would have guessed where his issues with women stem from by now, so he likely hasn't thought about it at all.

I'm not saying Zach isn't a jackass, he's definitely in the wrong, I'm just saying he's redeemable once he realizes whats actually going on.

 

[cooldevo]

This definitely wasn't premeditated, Ethan had to tell Zach that it was MC that beat his ass in the scene with Erynn, Zach just took his internal resentment added it to one side of a story and went ape shit.

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Yep he went straight to Ethan, but we don't know the circumstances. It's pretty well known that Zach lacks the ability to self reflect or he would have guessed where his issues with women stem from by now, so he likely hasn't thought about it at all.

Zach leads MC directly to Ethan and his two goons, so what did he think would happen? A nice civilized conversation? I don't think anyone could be quite that ignorant.

And there was really no scuffle. It was one sucker punch by Zach after which the goons grab MC. Again, what did he think would happen before he buggered off into the building? Another nice civilized conversation?

Maybe I'm forgetting something but when did he say he wants to hurt the MC?

Zach doesn't explicitly say he wants to hurt the MC, Ethan directly and overtly implies it, and Zach asks essentially what the plan was.

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[LSC82]

Maybe I'm forgetting something but when did he say he wants to hurt the MC?

Sounds like you are missing a lot...

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Zach offering help with a plan that obviously means harm to the MC.
Their actual plans aren't shown(probably to surprise us when it happens), but clearly "send him back to that hole he came from" isn't something positive would you agree?
After the small fade to black where they discuss what they plan to do... the scene picks back up and they are still on the same page and seeing eye to eye.
At no point Zach ever questions Ethan on anything, show unwillingness to play his part or defends the MCs character.

And that's after telling Ethan about John and seeing Ethan make a sus as fuck phone call to some guy... how dumb do you have to be to see that this guy is up to some dangerous stuff?

Yep he went straight to Ethan, but we don't know the circumstances. It's pretty well known that Zach lacks the ability to self reflect or he would have guessed where his issues with women stem from by now, so he likely hasn't thought about it at all.

I'm not saying Zach isn't a jackass, he's definitely in the wrong, I'm just saying he's redeemable once he realizes whats actually going on.

What circumstances are there? He arrived from his trip and went to see Ethan at the club, he could've seeked out the MC to talk things over, he didn't do that...
Clearly he's still in the same mental place he was before his trip, blaming the guy for everything and (as we just discussed) even willing to help his new buddy hurt him.

With Ethan clearly stating that he means harm to the MC... how much more of a "he doesn't know" pass should we give this guy?
I'm done giving "idiot credit" to this motherfucker... he's hurting people, actual friends and at this point "i didn't know" isn't good enough, it's right there on his face.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Yea fuck Zach at this point, if he's stupid enough to believe the not even believable lies that Ethan tells him and is willing to give out information that will hurt people and is willing to have someone force a girl to be into him then he's a piece of shit that needs to be nowhere near mc regardless of whether he's redeemed storywise or not.

 

[LSC82]

Yea fuck Zach at this point, if he's stupid enough to believe the not even believable lies that Ethan tells him and is willing to give out information that will hurt people and is willing to have someone force a girl to be into him then he's a piece of shit that needs to be nowhere near mc regardless of whether he's redeemed storywise or not.

The stupidity excuse has worn off for me... it's too much, the stupidity went too far...

Even if somehow he ends up helping bring Ethan down, i'm not one for "Darth Vader redemptions".
"I did some really horrible shit, but now i feel really bad... so i'm a good guy now right?"
Fuck off.

 

[motseer]

Yea fuck Zach at this point, if he's stupid enough to believe the not even believable lies that Ethan tells him and is willing to give out information that will hurt people and is willing to have someone force a girl to be into him then he's a piece of shit that needs to be nowhere near mc regardless of whether he's redeemed storywise or not.

I've corrected a small spelling error in your post. I'm thinkin' we could give Tori that task... Jus' Sayin'

 

[Matt2012021]

Just when you think you can't hate Zach any more then you get to the end of the update not sure who I hate moe Zach for be possible the dumbest excuse for a so call friend or Ethan hope we get so kind of payback against one of them in the next update

 

[byaaahh]

The stupidity excuse has worn off for me... it's too much, the stupidity went too far...

Even if somehow he ends up helping bring Ethan down, i'm not one for "Darth Vader redemptions".
"I did some really horrible shit, but now i feel really bad... so i'm a good guy now right?"
Fuck off.

The thing is, Vader's redemption came by destroying a Galactic threat through self-sacrifice.

So unless Zach dies saving the world, any redemption would pale in comparison.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

The worst part about this story is my speculation that Ethan probably isn't even the main bad guy. He's giving off that main henchman energy with his pathetic ness.

 

[LSC82]

The thing is, Vader's redemption came by destroying a Galactic threat through self-sacrifice.

So unless Zach dies saving the world, any redemption would pale in comparison.

It also came after decades of helping subjugate this same galaxy... decades of violence, torture, persecution...
Despite his help he'd have to face punishment had he survived and i don't think many would hail him as saviour(other than Luke).

The worst part about this story is my speculation that Ethan probably isn't even the main bad guy. He's giving off that main henchman energy with his pathetic ness.

That scene where even his henchman had to avoid telling him how pathetic he is... was just a terminal shot to his (already low) credibility.
Maybe his dad will take the lead...
You suspect Zane right?

I've corrected a small spelling error in your post. I'm thinkin' we could give Tori that task... Jus' Sayin'

Personally i would go the Iris route.
She would take great pleasure doing that to both Ethan and Zach, i think

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

It also came after decades of helping subjugate this same galaxy... decades of violence, torture, persecution...
Despite his help he'd have to face punishment had he survived and i don't think many would hail him as saviour(other than Luke).


That scene where even his henchman had to avoid telling him how pathetic he is... was just a terminal shot to his (already low) credibility.
Maybe his dad will take the lead...
You suspect Zane right?



Personally i would go the Iris route.
She would take great pleasure doing that to both Ethan and Zach, i think

Nah, I think he's just another asshole. My current theory, without enough information, is his father. No way do I believe that he doesn't know what's going on at his company.

 

[byaaahh]

Nah, I think he's just another asshole. My current theory, without enough information, is his father. No way do I believe that he doesn't know what's going on at his company.

Doesn't his father also own the club where Ethan is pimping out the models from the agency? No way he doesn't at least know of what's going on.

 

[LSC82]

Nah, I think he's just another asshole. My current theory, without enough information, is his father. No way do I believe that he doesn't know what's going on at his company.

Like i said i can see the father taking over too, too much going on in his company for him to be oblivious...
Thinking back in the "Kyle Johnson" scene Ethan was saying how this is his big chance to prove himself, no doubt looking to score a big client and show to big bad Daddy.

 

[reb95]

Just when you think you can't hate Zach any more then you get to the end of the update not sure who I hate moe Zach for be possible the dumbest excuse for a so call friend or Ethan hope we get so kind of payback against one of them in the next update

I'd like that too, getting punched in the face and doing nothing leaves a bitter taste. At the very least, we should be able to get revenge when school starts, I'm tired of this stupid shit Zach does, the guy is a born loser and still blames others for it. He's indefensible, when he goes to Ethan for help with Val, what does he expect the guy to do? It's clear he has no character, just like Ethan.

 

[jayeddie1008]

How to spot non-Americans tell a story that take place in America? They use the metric system when talking about weight. American use lbs. No problem with, just felt like teasing. Good story so far, keep it coming.

 

[Jarulf]

They use the metric system when talking about weight. American use lbs. No problem with, just felt like teasing.

And the non-Americans among us are grateful I think there's some non American spelling going on too.

 

[ModiThorrson]

And the non-Americans among us are grateful I think there's some non American spelling going on too.

I like the ones where the 18 year old characters are going to bars in the US.

 

[ModiThorrson]

Zach leads MC directly to Ethan and his two goons, so what did he think would happen? A nice civilized conversation? I don't think anyone could be quite that ignorant.

You're making some assumptions about that scene that I see no basis for. I DID however forget that part of the ethan/zach convo in the latest update, so I'll have to reconsider my opinions.