VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13.2] [Nyx]

[Elduriel]

It’s even more impressive how she keeps such an intertwined story, so diverse and coherent. With different reactions to so many different variations of events.

I’ve only seen a minor slip up like Alexis saying she “unfortunately” knows the MC with the Lakeyn restaurant scene. When she shouldn’t say that. (Or acted amicably in the scene just before that)

keeping track of all that can’t be easy. And many devs struggle with just that. Yet Nyx is doing it at a scale and width we don’t see in any other game.

there are other AVNs with even more branching though. Not saying this one is "easy" to maintain, but there are other devs who do a more complex work in that regard. Just off the top of my head, you have ORS, Jury, DLC, u4ia that has comparable or more branching than Intertwined.

 

[doovel]

there are other AVNs with even more branching though. Not saying this one is "easy" to maintain, but there are other devs who do a more complex work in that regard. Just off the top of my head, you have ORS, Jury, DLC, u4ia that has comparable or more branching than Intertwined.

Maybe I can rephrase it to drive home what I mean. The branches within this game feel much more intertwined when compared to games that have wider branching. In those games the branches are often very distinct and end up having little interaction with LIs you ignored and said no to.

In this game, if you said no matters, how you said no matters and the events that took place matter for the interactions with those characters. It not only impacts the MC and characters, but also the overall story.

Though I have to say I’m not familiar with the first three games you mention. Could you DM me the actual names? I’m curious to check.

 

[Justaphase]

Though I have to say I’m not familiar with the first three games you mention. Could you DM me the actual names? I’m curious to check.

That's Our Red String, Jury and Defending Lydia Collier.

 

[Elduriel]

Maybe I can rephrase it to drive home what I mean. The branches within this game feel much more intertwined when compared to games that have wider branching. In those games the branches are often very distinct and end up having little interaction with LIs you ignored and said no to.

In this game, if you said no matters, how you said no matters and the events that took place matter for the interactions with those characters. It not only impacts the MC and characters, but also the overall story.

Though I have to say I’m not familiar with the first three games you mention. Could you DM me the actual names? I’m curious to check.

I get that. What I like the most about it is the "intertwined" stuff, most of the time it's like a straight soap opera, which is not a category of entertainment that I enjoy, but somehow it works here. Yes, some of it is stupid, the cliffhangers are stupid, the constant incest teasing is stupid. And it's stupid fun. Except the fucking blackmail thing, close it off already

 

[doovel]

I get that. What I like the most about it is the "intertwined" stuff, most of the time it's like a straight soap opera, which is not a category of entertainment that I enjoy, but somehow it works here. Yes, some of it is stupid, the cliffhangers are stupid, the constant incest teasing is stupid. And it's stupid fun. Except the fucking blackmail thing, close it off already

Yeah personally I don’t care for the blackmail part of the story. Didn’t need to be so heavy, the inter-personal drama the MC causes is good enough on its own. And Zack didn’t need to turn into a complete scumbag either. Would’ve liked to see a redemption for him. Learning from MC and the girls how to be flirty and teasing properly.

It’s interesting enough on its own.

 

[Justaphase]

Yeah personally I don’t care for the blackmail part of the story. Didn’t need to be so heavy, the inter-personal drama the MC causes is good enough on its own. And Zack didn’t need to turn into a complete scumbag either. Would’ve liked to see a redemption for him. Learning from MC and the girls how to be flirty and teasing properly.

It’s interesting enough on its own.

I agree I feel like the blackmail part, hell the whole Ethan part of the story was unnecessary. The fact that the MC unknowingly hooked up with Erynn's best friend Lexi on the plane and then later at the bar. As well as the whole confession misunderstanding, which had me completely anti-Erynn btw the first time that I played this I can't lie, until I saw what really happened.
These things were enough to make the Erynn path interesting for me.
I don't think that I've played an AVN yet, where I'm really as invested in the main storyline as I am in the romantic relationships with the LI's. Usually I just want to get through the main story as fast as possible and get to the good stuff, and no not the lewds, they aren't that important to me.
I feel like the Zach redemption may be coming, but now I feel like it's too little too late. For me he's now beyond redemption, unless he literally takes a bullet for the MC or one of the girls. We shall see.

 

[LSC82]

I get that. What I like the most about it is the "intertwined" stuff, most of the time it's like a straight soap opera, which is not a category of entertainment that I enjoy, but somehow it works here. Yes, some of it is stupid, the cliffhangers are stupid, the constant incest teasing is stupid. And it's stupid fun. Except the fucking blackmail thing, close it off already

The "intertwining" is the most unique aspect of this game, and i love it.
Others allow you to choose your favorite routes but i don't think any other has their girls playing off each other, butting heads, as much this one.

I agree I feel like the blackmail part, hell the whole Ethan part of the story was unnecessary. The fact that the MC unknowingly hooked up with Erynn's best friend Lexi on the plane and then later at the bar. As well as the whole confession misunderstanding, which had me completely anti-Erynn btw the first time that I played this I can't lie, until I saw what really happened.
These things were enough to make the Erynn path interesting for me.
I don't think that I've played an AVN yet where I'm really as invested in the main storyline as I am in the romantic relationships with the LI's. Usually I just want to get through the main story as fast as possible and get to the good stuff, and no not the lewds, they aren't that important to me.
I feel like the Zach redemption may be coming, but now I feel like it's too little too late. For me he's now beyond redemption, unless he literally takes a bullet for the MC or one of the girls. We shall see.

I feel like the blackmail has done it's job, and now we need to get rid of it.

The fact that Erynn is a fragile, traumatized girl, who needs to learn to trust and love again is an interesting wrinkle, and her mental state is directly connected to Ethan's abuse.
It makes me like her more than if she was the standard "childhood friend" from most other AVNs.

The blackmail value was never on dealing with the actual blackmail, but on how it built/affected Erynn's character.
So it had it's value... but it's painful that we are still dealing with it in chapter 13(and counting)...

As a fan of "intertwining" the thing i that interests me the most is the frenemy relationship with Alexis(and Iris a little bit), in that they are great friends in love with the same guy, at this point the stupid blackmail is just getting in the way of what i really want to be doing.

Let's see how Zach will play out in this plot, will he figure out that Ethan is using him and change his ways... help bring him down? Learn from this, become a good guy and start dating one of the random girls(Hat Girl maybe)?
Though at this point i'm more inclined to seeing him face first in the gutter, that would be cathartic

 

[doovel]

I agree I feel like the blackmail part, hell the whole Ethan part of the story was unnecessary. The fact that the MC unknowingly hooked up with Erynn's best friend Lexi on the plane and then later at the bar. As well as the whole confession misunderstanding, which had me completely anti-Erynn btw the first time that I played this I can't lie, until I saw what really happened.
These things were enough to make the Erynn path interesting for me.
I don't think that I've played an AVN yet, where I'm really as invested in the main storyline as I am in the romantic relationships with the LI's. Usually I just want to get through the main story as fast as possible and get to the good stuff, and no not the lewds, they aren't that important to me.
I feel like the Zach redemption may be coming, but now I feel like it's too little too late. For me he's now beyond redemption, unless he literally takes a bullet for the MC or one of the girls. We shall see.

I could see a redemption where he finds out what Ethan has been doing to his favourite model. He could take the route of I forgot his name, but I think Christian in Chasing Sunsets.

Release what’s happening reach out to the MC and friends. MC decides whether to trust him or not and the redemption can begin. Would still take a lot to get there, but it wouldn’t be impossible.

 

[reb95]

I wish this whole Ethan blackmail drama would end in the next update, it's already taking too long and I'm sick of this guy, at the very least he deserves to end up in jail or screwed, Zach is an idiot and in my opinion doesn't deserve redemption after everything he's done, especially since Ethan ends the update planning to get revenge on the MC with Zach's help if you intervene and beat him up when he's pressing Eryn against the wall outside the bar.

 

[Maviarab]

It’s even more impressive how she keeps such an intertwined story, so diverse

True...

and coherent

Very debatable...

 

[doovel]

True...

Very debatable...

I find it believable teenage drama. But maybe my own youth was messed up enough for it to make sense.

 

[valbitterb]

And Zack didn’t need to turn into a complete scumbag either. Would’ve liked to see a redemption for him. Learning from MC and the girls how to be flirty and teasing properly.

I feel like the Zach redemption may be coming, but now I feel like it's too little too late. For me he's now beyond redemption, unless he literally takes a bullet for the MC or one of the girls. We shall see.

Let's see how Zach will play out in this plot, will he figure out that Ethan is using him and change his ways... help bring him down? Learn from this, become a good guy and start dating one of the random girls(Hat Girl maybe)?
Though at this point i'm more inclined to seeing him face first in the gutter, that would be cathartic

Zach is an idiot and in my opinion doesn't deserve redemption after everything he's done

ZACH TRUE END PATH (AND ZTSRP)

"You always were an asshole Zach."
View attachment Sequence 06_1.mp4

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

That last update did feel like they were trying to keep Zach redeemable by having him basically think that MC is bullying Ethan. Zach is a fucking idiot to believe that lie, but I see what Nyx is going for.

 

[ModiThorrson]

That last update did feel like they were trying to keep Zach redeemable by having him basically think that MC is bullying Ethan. Zach is a fucking idiot to believe that lie, but I see what Nyx is going for.

Zach is naive, immature, and extremely gullible but he is not beyond redemption. The only thing he's really done wrong, beyond his inability to socialize with women, is beleive ethan and I strongly beleive that was based in jealousy and self pity. It's much easier to beleive someone else is at fault than look at yourself and admit fault. I'm thinking when ethan tries to pressure val into "giving zach a chance" it will come out that she's being blackmailer or whatever. Once that Zach realizes the type of person Ethan is he'kk come around, even if he doesn't earn forgiveness.

 

[xsssssssss]

Is there any Melissa or Elena content this update?

 

[Elduriel]

Is there any Melissa or Elena content this update?

well, Melissa is in it if that's what you are wondering. If the question is if they fucked yet, wait a year or two more. Elena isn't in the update at all.

 

[xsssssssss]

well, Melissa is in it if that's what you are wondering. If the question is if they fucked yet, wait a year or two more. Elena isn't in the update at all.

Thanks, kind of what i expected. As an optimist i'm hoping no more than a year for both.

 

[MrD812]

It’s even more impressive how she keeps such an intertwined story, so diverse and coherent.

Props to anyone running things solo and specially when it has potential.
A Lot of it is just inexcusable, period.

 

[cooldevo]

Thanks, kind of what i expected. As an optimist i'm hoping no more than a year for both.

To be with Elena, MC breaks Layla's heart. Layla then is not happy with Elena and ends their friendship (Lexi/Erynn similarities anyone?).

Elena gets mad at MC and says he had better repair what's going on with Layla, as her friendship with Layla is more important than the MC. Until MC can repair things in-story with Layla, I wouldn't expect any major progress on the Elena front. If anything she's probably avoiding the MC until that happens.

 

[cooldevo]

Zach is naive, immature, and extremely gullible but he is not beyond redemption. The only thing he's really done wrong, beyond his inability to socialize with women, is beleive ethan and I strongly beleive that was based in jealousy and self pity. It's much easier to beleive someone else is at fault than look at yourself and admit fault. I'm thinking when ethan tries to pressure val into "giving zach a chance" it will come out that she's being blackmailer or whatever. Once that Zach realizes the type of person Ethan is he'kk come around, even if he doesn't earn forgiveness.

Far more optimistic than me. Once he decided to use his fist to MC's jaw, instead of his words, that ended any interest in a redemption arc from me. Had he just been sold on the lies and manipulation, that's one thing. But taking it physical, completely out of the blue, that was it for me. Should I get an option for a Fatality for Zach I'll be taking it every single time, just like Ethan.