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valbitterb

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He does he will be tied to the chair by Valerie, Elena he will be so happy like he hit the lottery they get on the bed. Zach was like I love lesbians; they smiled then The MC comes in Zach was in fear when he realizes what was going to happen. After a hour of plowing Elena took the nut into her mouth walks over to Zach grabs his face opens his mouth and spits the cum into his mouth and holds his mouth and nose closed til Zach swallowed. :devilish:
Please, Zach is a jerk and also our enemy after Ethan (n)

Zach at his next football match ...

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xapican

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My hunch will be that Zach gets abused by Ethan, in many ways, or much better he tries to get into Caras pants in front of Coach and is in for a good ride LOL I like the concept of Karma is a Bitch :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

Martin_S7

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I guess all games like this need to have a jerk friend, but Zach really takes it to another level. I've never seen such a pathetic character :ROFLMAO: The best part is, I can totally see us fighting both him and Ethan in future update.
 

MilesEdgeworth

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Or the other way around, MC watching Zach taking her virginty.
You all love Zach, you just don't know it....
Zach couldn't handle Valeria. that fool would be so premature MC and Valeria would just laugh at him and his performance

I guess all games like this need to have a jerk friend, but Zach really takes it to another level. I've never seen such a pathetic character :ROFLMAO: The best part is, I can totally see us fighting both him and Ethan in future update.
Yea Zach is the absolute worst, but he is so pathetic my mc probably wouldn't even sully himself by fighting that little bitch
 
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Allenebs

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I do find it particularly ironic when people come to a pirate site and complain about developers "milking" supporters, while they are here downloading the developers hard work for free.
It's like going to someones house, getting a free meal and then complaining because it wasn't cooked as you like or they didn't offer you dessert. :FacePalm:
What streaming should have taught everyone is that pirating is NOT about money. It's a failure of the market. When Netflix started streaming, pirating took a massive nosedive. Yes, it has massively increased again recently, but that is mostly due to the fact that watching a show now often involves as much time researching which service you need to go to and what tier of subscription you have to pay for as the time spent watching said show. Adult gaming has that problem and some significantly larger ones.

Advertising for these games is virtually impossible. Many of these games simply would not be approved on many platforms and even upon approval. Attitudes towards such content is still incredibly volatile on most platforms. Payment processors have actively been seeking to purge adult content against their and their investors best interests due to the most wishy-washy moral arguments you could imagine. On top of that, unlike any other form of entertainment, most games are never reviewed, streaming isn't really an option and watching lets plays is only slightly more viable. Even with sites such as this, you can spend Hours every day trying to find something worth your time.

Once you realize that virtually all of these games would literally cease to exist if not for sites like this one, people saying, "Hey, this dev has a history of going several months to well over a year w/o updates," is very valuable feedback. I've already bought a few games that I found on this site, but I'd prefer not to spend hundreds of dollars supporting a game hoping one day they'll get around to releasing the next update. Not even finish the game, that's already incredibly unlikely, but just to see a far from complete game finally updated. And, to be quite frank, until they are able to easily provide full animation and voice acting, most of these games will never be worth what many devs expect to receive. The market actively incentivizes the devs to never finish their games, instead it's in their best interest to shift onto another project to create another source of revenue.
 

bitofaperv

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What streaming should have taught everyone is that pirating is NOT about money. It's a failure of the market. When Netflix started streaming, pirating took a massive nosedive. Yes, it has massively increased again recently, but that is mostly due to the fact that watching a show now often involves as much time researching which service you need to go to and what tier of subscription you have to pay for as the time spent watching said show. Adult gaming has that problem and some significantly larger ones.

Advertising for these games is virtually impossible. Many of these games simply would not be approved on many platforms and even upon approval. Attitudes towards such content is still incredibly volatile on most platforms. Payment processors have actively been seeking to purge adult content against their and their investors best interests due to the most wishy-washy moral arguments you could imagine. On top of that, unlike any other form of entertainment, most games are never reviewed, streaming isn't really an option and watching lets plays is only slightly more viable. Even with sites such as this, you can spend Hours every day trying to find something worth your time.

Once you realize that virtually all of these games would literally cease to exist if not for sites like this one, people saying, "Hey, this dev has a history of going several months to well over a year w/o updates," is very valuable feedback. I've already bought a few games that I found on this site, but I'd prefer not to spend hundreds of dollars supporting a game hoping one day they'll get around to releasing the next update. Not even finish the game, that's already incredibly unlikely, but just to see a far from complete game finally updated. And, to be quite frank, until they are able to easily provide full animation and voice acting, most of these games will never be worth what many devs expect to receive. The market actively incentivizes the devs to never finish their games, instead it's in their best interest to shift onto another project to create another source of revenue.
What the fuck does this (flawed) rant on the "morality of piracy" have to do with assholes coming in and complaining about development times, when they take it for free?
 

Tremonia

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People actually read stuff like that?
People also watching trash tv shows. You've to read such bullshit to find the joke in it. After reading it you laugh about it, feel pity for the author, and goes on like nothing happened. Until you read the next bullshit one meant serious.
 

Jarulf

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People also watching trash tv shows. You've to read such bullshit to find the joke in it. After reading it you laugh about it, feel pity for the author, and goes on like nothing happened. Until you read the next bullshit one meant serious.
You're made of sterner stuff than I, I just don't have the patience
 
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Justaphase

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What streaming should have taught everyone is that pirating is NOT about money. It's a failure of the market. When Netflix started streaming, pirating took a massive nosedive. Yes, it has massively increased again recently, but that is mostly due to the fact that watching a show now often involves as much time researching which service you need to go to and what tier of subscription you have to pay for as the time spent watching said show. Adult gaming has that problem and some significantly larger ones.

Advertising for these games is virtually impossible. Many of these games simply would not be approved on many platforms and even upon approval. Attitudes towards such content is still incredibly volatile on most platforms. Payment processors have actively been seeking to purge adult content against their and their investors best interests due to the most wishy-washy moral arguments you could imagine. On top of that, unlike any other form of entertainment, most games are never reviewed, streaming isn't really an option and watching lets plays is only slightly more viable. Even with sites such as this, you can spend Hours every day trying to find something worth your time.

Once you realize that virtually all of these games would literally cease to exist if not for sites like this one, people saying, "Hey, this dev has a history of going several months to well over a year w/o updates," is very valuable feedback. I've already bought a few games that I found on this site, but I'd prefer not to spend hundreds of dollars supporting a game hoping one day they'll get around to releasing the next update. Not even finish the game, that's already incredibly unlikely, but just to see a far from complete game finally updated. And, to be quite frank, until they are able to easily provide full animation and voice acting, most of these games will never be worth what many devs expect to receive. The market actively incentivizes the devs to never finish their games, instead it's in their best interest to shift onto another project to create another source of revenue.
For the most part I agree with you. I think that most of us are unfortunately in the position where we couldn't possibly afford to finanically support the development of every AVN that we like. So I am grateful (that's the key word here) for a site like this where I can try before I possibly buy.
Personally how I choose to help the developers of my favourite AVNs is by "buying" an update when it's released or about to be released. This allows me to spread the love and what I'm willing to spend amongst my favourite developers.
Anyway the point of my original post was that you can almost guarantee that many of the people on here complaining about developers and their supposed "milking" have never supported the developer and have no idea of what goes into making one.
 
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Ozymandias037

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What the fuck does this (flawed) rant on the "morality of piracy" have to do with assholes coming in and complaining about development times, when they take it for free?
I didn't see anything in there at all about the morality of piracy. I saw a claim that piracy is a market failure (for which there is ample evidence, although I wouldn't necessarily call it a proven point) and an opinion that payment processors are clamping down on adult content for "wishy-washy moral arguments," which I think is at least partly accurate. I'd hardly call it a rant, either.

That being said, I mostly disagree with the main point. I don't think any creator in the history of art has found "do more, faster! I'm impatient!" to be useful feedback.
 
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byaaahh

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I love how one person can say that another VN updates more frequently and the thread spirals into a "you don't pay for it" and a "we're free publicity" shit-slinging contest.

Let's get back to shitting on Zach...
 
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