VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13] [Nyx]

[Martin_S7]

Well, if this were a 1on 1 Love simulator, I'd agree with you, what does not mean that you have somehow a bit of a point.
This is not only in this AVN, also in many others, although in this one it is quite good implemented for an AVN.
The girls are interested in MC "he is cute" or "he is funny" etc etc. and for the sake of not expanding, the getting to know phase (like in some others with slow burn) it is shown a bit accelerated with all its flaws and virtues.
So is it realistic ? No, but how much would a realistic aproach strech the Development times, and the time between the updates ? specially if there are a lot of Girls ? please take that into account.

I take that into account, and that’s why I mention that it’s a great game. I’m simply defending my position on how well-developed Valeria’s character is and why she stands out above the rest.

 

[Dessolos]

For me, it’s not realistic to have sex with Alexis from the very beginning. For example, with Erynn, it makes sense because they’ve known each other since childhood. With Erynn, it feels like you’re rebuilding a friendship first and then transitioning into a relationship. But then we have many characters who feel attracted way too quickly. You yourself mentioned examples like Cara and Nikki; I would personally add Alexis and Layla to that list as well.
That doesn’t mean I think it’s a bad game it’s a great game. I just feel that Valeria’s character is the best for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

I disagree about Alexis once you learn the reason as to why. Like how the MC was her first kiss, then when she realized who he was she wanted to take her shot before Erynn could. As she knows he is someone Erynn likes and talks about all the time and probably developed something for him after the kiss and how Erynn talks about him all the time. I do agree it comes off unrealastic until you learn all the details.

Layla is a weird for me , I agree and disagree. At first yeah id agree for sure but her paths develops rather naturally for me beyond her initial crush the first 30 seconds she sees us.

 

[flaviopaganini]

I disagree about Alexis once you learn the reason as to why. Like how the MC was her first kiss, then when she realized who he was she wanted to take her shot before Erynn could. As she knows he is someone Erynn likes and talks about all the time and probably developed something for him after the kiss and how Erynn talks about him all the time. I do agree it comes off unrealastic until you learn all the details.

Layla is a weird for me , I agree and disagree. At first yeah id agree for sure but her paths develops rather naturally for me beyond her initial crush the first 30 seconds she sees us.

Layla fell in love with my MC when he complimented her legs in the middle of the classroom.

 

[Martin_S7]

I disagree about Alexis once you learn the reason as to why. Like how the MC was her first kiss, then when she realized who he was she wanted to take her shot before Erynn could. As she knows he is someone Erynn likes and talks about all the time and probably developed something for him after the kiss and how Erynn talks about him all the time. I do agree it comes off unrealastic until you learn all the details.

Layla is a weird for me , I agree and disagree. At first yeah id agree for sure but her paths develops rather naturally for me beyond her initial crush the first 30 seconds she sees us.

I understand your point about Alexis, but I see it more from a perspective of infatuation. I get that, since they were kids, she might feel something because of that kiss and the flower gesture with Erynn. I also understand why Erynn keeps talking about you throughout the game. But having sex right when you see each other? I would have preferred a different kind of approach without rushing to that from the start.

I get that every similar game has its initial sex scene right at the beginning, but in my opinion, it would have been better if it had been with a character you’d never see again. Alexis deserved more in that moment. After that, I do feel like they get to know each other better and something meaningful develops, but it would have been nice if her introduction had been handled differently.

 

[xapican]

I’m simply defending my position on how well-developed Valeria’s character is and why she stands out above the rest

Nothing to defend, that is a fact, she is one of the better developed characters in this "Adult Virtual (Tele)Novela"
there might be other opinions, and they also have good points, this is one of the better AVNs in characterization.

 

[Dessolos]

I understand your point about Alexis, but I see it more from a perspective of infatuation. I get that, since they were kids, she might feel something because of that kiss and the flower gesture with Erynn. I also understand why Erynn keeps talking about you throughout the game. But having sex right when you see each other? I would have preferred a different kind of approach without rushing to that from the start.

I get that every similar game has its initial sex scene right at the beginning, but in my opinion, it would have been better if it had been with a character you’d never see again. Alexis deserved more in that moment. After that, I do feel like they get to know each other better and something meaningful develops, but it would have been nice if her introduction had been handled differently.

yeah can't argue with her introduction tho if I recall she was meant to be a side girl / one time fuck or hook up and developed into something more.

 

[Martin_S7]

yeah can't argue with her introduction tho if I recall she was meant to be a side girl / one time fuck or hook up and developed into something more.

I didn’t know she was originally meant to be a secondary character. If that’s the case, I’m glad it didn’t turn out that way. She’s a great character who grows on you more and more as you get to know her.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Layla fell in love with my MC when he complimented her legs in the middle of the classroom.

I hate that we had to be in a relationship with Layla to get on Elena's route

as a one-woman-only kind of man I was in love with Elena since the start but using Layla is so wrong

I just felt horrible like a piece of shit the entire time

in fact I felt so guilty for using her that I was on the verge of Tears

that's why I will not play the game until it focuses on Elena again

 

[Martin_S7]

Nothing to defend, that is a fact, she is one of the better developed characters in this "Adult Virtual (Tele)Novela"
there might be other opinions, and they also have good points, this is one of the better AVNs in characterization.

I’ll always stand up for Valeria, though it seems like she doesn’t really need it

 

[Dessolos]

I hate that we had to be in a relationship with Layla to get on Elena's route

as a one-woman-only kind of man I was in love with Elena since the start but using Layla is so wrong

I just felt horrible like a piece of shit the entire time

in fact I felt so guilty for using her that I was on the verge of Tears

that's why I will not play the game until it focuses on Elena again

That's why Erynn and Alexis are the best girls for me!!!

 

[Matt2012021]

Look I like Val as much as anyone but when it's comes to screen time and development she is near the bottom in this VN but maybe in the next update that will change if your going for screen time and development that goes Alexis or Layla but this is the rare VN were I like all the love interest

 

[xapican]

That's why Erynn and Alexis are the best girls for me!!!

Usually I would have said something like : we have to talk about LI taste in reference to Erynn.
But after having played her Solo Monogamous path, I changed my opinion, drastically!

 

[LSC82]

Most games id agree. Even initially I would agree with you on this game.

Maybe it just me but once I got to learn the story as to why Alexis and Erynn like the MC I can't. I can really only agree with this with Nikki and Cara those character do seem to fall for the MC rather quickly. Even Layla to a small extent too I can agree with this on because she did develop a crush within the first minute but after that not really. As her path feels pretty natural to me. But other than Nikki and Cara I honestly felt with the story telling of the characters all of them come across pretty natural to me as to why they like the MC

Nikki and Cara, although it happens in one long scene, there's a month or 2 that goes in that flashback... 2 months sharing a house, seeing each other everyday, helping them...
Cara in particular kissed the MC at her birthday party, before he moved in, so something was there from the start.
Nikki, things in common, working out together, saving her from getting ran over, helping with her ex... and it clicked.

Layla is fine, she's the young and innocent archetype getting the hots for a boy... and despite that fact that she's flirty right away, it took her a long time to commit, nothing wrong with that.

For me, it’s not realistic to have sex with Alexis from the very beginning. For example, with Erynn, it makes sense because they’ve known each other since childhood. With Erynn, it feels like you’re rebuilding a friendship first and then transitioning into a relationship. But then we have many characters who feel attracted way too quickly. You yourself mentioned examples like Cara and Nikki; I would personally add Alexis and Layla to that list as well.
That doesn’t mean I think it’s a bad game it’s a great game. I just feel that Valeria’s character is the best for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

Agreed on Erynn, she's obviously predisposed to like the guy due previous relationship, that brings positives and negatives.
Positive that she's always gonna pay attention to him and give him time, and wants him close to her by default.
Negative that she's a little(very slow actually) slow moving because she's scared it might hurt the friendship.
That, plus her history of abuse, makes her both an easy target... and slow to commit.
The way things play out make sense.

Alexis is a bit harder for me to buy too, he stole a kiss from you 5 years ago, he looked way too young for her back then, and after that you never saw him again...
She's not some innocent virgin like Layla and Cara, so it's a much harder sell that she's immediately obsessed with the guy.

I take that into account, and that’s why I mention that it’s a great game. I’m simply defending my position on how well-developed Valeria’s character is and why she stands out above the rest.

Valeria is the "realistic" hot girl, she has a bunch of dudes going after her so isn't dropping head over heels for anybody.
She knows the power that she has and plays with her cards close to her (awesome )chest and keeps her options open.

 

[flaviopaganini]

I hate that we had to be in a relationship with Layla to get on Elena's route

as a one-woman-only kind of man I was in love with Elena since the start but using Layla is so wrong

I just felt horrible like a piece of shit the entire time

in fact I felt so guilty for using her that I was on the verge of Tears

that's why I will not play the game until it focuses on Elena again

I have to agree with you, and this is the reason, besides Tori, why I don’t even try to pursue a path with Elena, because no matter what I do, I always end up hurting Layla’s feelings.

 

[Dessolos]

Nikki and Cara, although it happens in one long scene, there's a month or 2 that goes in that flashback... 2 months sharing a house, seeing each other everyday, helping them...
Cara in particular kissed the MC at her birthday party, before he moved in, so something was there from the start.
Nikki, things in common, working out together, saving her from getting ran over, helping with her ex... and it clicked.

That's true I think the fault is in the fact these games take a long time to develop so can't really show alot of that 2 months. So while alot did happen in those 2 months I always felt like I wanted to see more to feel the connection between them especially Cara. Tho it could also be just me as well. I honestly never felt anything between them other than something that was casual something like good friends or friends with benefits at the most would have.

 

[Martin_S7]

Nikki and Cara, although it happens in one long scene, there's a month or 2 that goes in that flashback... 2 months sharing a house, seeing each other everyday, helping them...
Cara in particular kissed the MC at her birthday party, before he moved in, so something was there from the start.
Nikki, things in common, working out together, saving her from getting ran over, helping with her ex... and it clicked.

Layla is fine, she's the young and innocent archetype getting the hots for a boy... and despite that fact that she's flirty right away, it took her a long time to commit, nothing wrong with that.


Agreed on Erynn, she's obviously predisposed to like the guy due previous relationship, that brings positives and negatives.
Positive that she's always gonna pay attention to him and give him time, and wants him close to her by default.
Negative that she's a little(very slow actually) slow moving because she's scared it might hurt the friendship.
That, plus her history of abuse, makes her both an easy target... and slow to commit.
The way things play out make sense.

Alexis is a bit harder for me to buy too, he stole a kiss from you 5 years ago, he looked way too young for her back then, and after that you never saw him again...
She's not some innocent virgin like Layla and Cara, so it's a much harder sell that she's immediately obsessed with the guy.


Valeria is the "realistic" hot girl, she has a bunch of dudes going after her so isn't dropping head over heels for anybody.
She knows the power that she has and plays with her cards close to her (awesome )chest and keeps her options open.

That's a great point about Erynn. I think she’s a well-crafted character vulnerable because of what she’s been through and scared of losing her friendship with the protagonist. The relationship with her is a slow process, but it’s rewarding, even if it causes issues with others. To me, if we follow logic and "destiny," ending up in a relationship with her feels like closing a circle that’s been there since childhood.

 

[xapican]

Alexis is a bit harder for me to buy too, he stole a kiss from you 5 years ago, he looked way too young for her back then, and after that you never saw him again...
She's not some innocent virgin like Layla and Cara, so it's a much harder sell that she's immediately obsessed with the guy.

I'm more and more convinced that Alexis was added after the start of the Novel, due to her popularity, and wasn't planned from the scratch to be in the LI rooster.
so yes is unfortunately one of the paths with more flaws and plot holes.
Only in the higher chapters she gains carisma and character, when on her solo monogamous path and on "friends with Erynn"

 

[byaaahh]

A lot of people are ignoring the passage of time, most girls don't instantly fall for MC. There is initial attraction, but there is build up.

Cara makes out with him on a dare because she's attracted to him, but it doesn't escalate until they have lived together for months, Same with Nikki.

The only girls who really throw themselves at MC are Julia?(girl from class, friend of Cara), Rachel and Tori. None of these are looking for anything more than a quick jump.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

I have to agree with you, and this is the reason, besides Tori, why I don’t even try to pursue a path with Elena, because no matter what I do, I always end up hurting Layla’s feelings.

I actually don't mind hurting someone's feelings if I'm upfront about it from the start

but what really made me feel horrible as I was forced to do intimate things with her as her first love knowing I did not love her

 

[xapican]

I have to agree with you, and this is the reason, besides Tori, why I don’t even try to pursue a path with Elena, because no matter what I do, I always end up hurting Layla’s feelings.

Let me confirm it later on, but I mean having played an Elena path with Layla Friendzoned from the beginning, similar as the one to get on Valerias path.