Meh, to each his own. I don't see the rub. But, it is your place to feel how you feel.No matter how close a friend or loved-one is or is not.
There is only so much i'll allow.
It will never change(for me).
Zach, crosses the line to many times.
Meh, to each his own. I don't see the rub. But, it is your place to feel how you feel.No matter how close a friend or loved-one is or is not.
There is only so much i'll allow.
It will never change(for me).
Zach, crosses the line to many times.
I'd rather have a friend that's smart and respectful than a loyal moron. And btw, to be a good wingman you need to actually have some brain cells. The only time he actually did something is that club moment with Elena&Layla. Zach's thoughts "let's see how much Elena likes you MC.". And Elena was so drunk that she didn't remember anything at all next morning. That doesn't count as a wingman in my book. In all honesty though, I think that was Zach's smartest moment in the whole series. So it sums up everything else about him. The other girl needs to be drunk as hell for him to stand a chance for a conversation lol.Zach is that absolute best friend that will always have your back. He will do whatever it takes to make sure you get yours. Typically, to the detriment of his own interests. If you've never had or been this kind of friend, it makes sense why you dislike the character. But for those of us that have been fortunate to have a "Zach" on our side, he is the perfect wingman/sidekick/accomplice.
Very well put AND some!I'd rather have a friend that's smart and respectful than a loyal moron. And btw, to be a good wingman you need to actually have some brain cells. The only time he actually did something is that club moment with Elena&Layla. Zach's thoughts "let's see how much Elena likes you MC.". And Elena was so drunk that she didn't remember anything at all next morning. That doesn't count as a wingman in my book. In all honesty though, I think that was Zach's smartest moment in the whole series. So it sums up everything else about him. The other girl needs to be drunk as hell for him to stand a chance for a conversation lol.
So as I said earlier, having loyal friends is nice but it doesn't mean you can be friends with everyone. A guy like Zach, well I could stand him being stupid if it was only that. I would say you know what he is really dumb but he is a good guy and it makes him kinda funny. The way he acts and talks about girls is a no from me. Even if he was the smartest guy I wouldn't keep him as a friend. It's really disrespectful and if I was a girl I would feel really uncomfortable with that guy throwing himself to me, especially knowing that he does it to every girl. Best example is Valerie. New girl and honestly he was taking advantage of the fact that she didn't know other people at all. How many times we saw her looking so uncomfortable in just episode 8? that was just ep. 8 ffs. I don't mind him existing, just saying.
The messed up thing about opinions on this forum is that if Zach was suave, smart, cool with the ladies, good looking, and funny, he would be direct competition for the MC. And people here would shit about that!I'd rather have a friend that's smart and respectful than a loyal moron. And btw, to be a good wingman you need to actually have some brain cells. The only time he actually did something is that club moment with Elena&Layla. Zach's thoughts "let's see how much Elena likes you MC.". And Elena was so drunk that she didn't remember anything at all next morning. That doesn't count as a wingman in my book. In all honesty though, I think that was Zach's smartest moment in the whole series. So it sums up everything else about him. The other girl needs to be drunk as hell for him to stand a chance for a conversation lol.
So as I said earlier, having loyal friends is nice but it doesn't mean you can be friends with everyone. A guy like Zach, well I could stand him being stupid if it was only that. I would say you know what he is really dumb but he is a good guy and it makes him kinda funny. The way he acts and talks about girls is a no from me. Even if he was the smartest guy I wouldn't keep him as a friend. It's really disrespectful and if I was a girl I would feel really uncomfortable with that guy throwing himself to me, especially knowing that he does it to every girl. Best example is Valerie. New girl and honestly he was taking advantage of the fact that she didn't know other people at all. How many times we saw her looking so uncomfortable in just episode 8? that was just ep. 8 ffs. I don't mind him existing, just saying.
Mean no offence, allow me to ask.The messed up thing about opinions on this forum is that if Zach was suave, smart, cool with the ladies, good looking, and funny, he would be direct competition for the MC. And people here would shit about that!
At least the girls aren't falling for him... Right? I get it, though. He is too much of a tool for you to consider your best friend.
Uhm, talk about blue balls.Just for giggles, try a run with him 'Not' getting laid at all.
Did that on first run, 'Eryn only' path.
Got close with her but didn't finish, then another time in his bedroom.
Emily kinda/sorta blocked that from happning.
p.s.: Iris and him, we had no control over.
ive had mates that i feel have my back and will do all of that but they wasnt perverted and harassing every woman they come across. they dont need that part in their personality to be a good friend that will do anything.Zach is that absolute best friend that will always have your back. He will do whatever it takes to make sure you get yours. Typically, to the detriment of his own interests. If you've never had or been this kind of friend, it makes sense why you dislike the character. But for those of us that have been fortunate to have a "Zach" on our side, he is the perfect wingman/sidekick/accomplice.
I get 100% what you mean with that. As I mentioned I don't mind him existing at all because it's realistic. I was just stating my opinion on your take of him being the perfect buddy/wingman etc. No matter who or your friends are, they will have your back and help you with stuff. Otherwise you don't have friends. That's why MC and Zach, they are not what you call friends. At least that's what I've learnt because of having to mature really sooner than normal in some ways. MC can't stand this guy. But he doesn't want to be mean and tell him with a straight face something like the following; "man I get it we spent quite some time back in the day but that's when I was 12-13. Since then, the only part of you that saw development was your sex hormones." It sounds mean but it's the truth. And the best thing anyone can offer to himself and other people, is pure honesty. Even in Zach's case, maybe an honest and "mean" talk would be a wake-up call.The messed up thing about opinions on this forum is that if Zach was suave, smart, cool with the ladies, good looking, and funny, he would be direct competition for the MC. And people here would shit about that!
At least the girls aren't falling for him... Right? I get it, though. He is too much of a tool for you to consider your best friend.
lol noZach is that absolute best friend that will always have your back. He will do whatever it takes to make sure you get yours. Typically, to the detriment of his own interests. If you've never had or been this kind of friend, it makes sense why you dislike the character. But for those of us that have been fortunate to have a "Zach" on our side, he is the perfect wingman/sidekick/accomplice.
Liam is the biggest bro to ever bro, no doubt about that.If you want to see a good buddy, watch Acting Lessons. The MC can even get him a woman there, you couldn't do that to a girl with Zach in Intertwined.
except nyx got Nathan right! Nathan is Zach in riverside the town were you lived with Andres! So Zach is just immature who lives a sheltered life and somehow that passes on to his lack of social skills!lol no
I've played at least 2 AVNs where your best buddy outclasses zach in every way.
for instance, leap of faith chris (was it chris? the moustache guy) - a grown up guy you can always count on, who doesn't act like a retard.
BUT, HEY, THAT DOESN'T COUNT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A YOUNGER, IRRESPONSIBLE PERSON TRYING TO GET LAID
ok, [game that devs don't want to be named in their topics]'s derek. a total moron. zach can't be even put into the same sentence with dumb shit derek does. but derek has your back in every situation. a real bro
zach is just an annoyance you need to bear with because you don't have any other choice. a comic relief. a stupid comic relief at that.
except you can train him to be a true bro!yeah, she did. nathan is a good bro. zach sucks tho
wasn't getting into the discussion can or can't nyx write a proper male bff, it's obvious she can. just had to react when I saw someone saying zach is a good bro. I wouldn't wanna have an idiot like zach near me irl
yeah, she did. nathan is a good bro. zach sucks thoexcept nyx got Nathan right!
That's exactly what I think also. Nathan is your buddy. Zach is the guy you knew when you were little, not a friend per se.If Nyx made it with Nathan why can she not make it with Zach? because Zach is there to serve a purpose at how the MC should not behave but even Zach will grow out of it!
Zach is a bro. Being a bro isn't enough to be friends with someone though. I need a friend to do stuff together, have fun, all type of crazy things but just like I mentioned, friendship is like an intimate relationship. If you are in a relationship just for the fun parts then it's not real and won't last. As a friend you need mature stuff too. And when you are having a discussion, you can't always listen to 12-year-old stuff. That's what Zach is. It's not just a side of him, it's all of Zach. So then, that means he is just stupid. You can't train that. You can give knowledge to someone, experience, training, but you can't make someone smarter. If you send him to a library for a whole year, he will get tons of knowledge. It doesn't mean he will become smarter. Knowledge is just like a tool for smart people. Dumbass Zach can get all the knowledge in the world still it won't matter to him as long as females exist. MC hasn't tried at all and he fucked plenty already and so many girls like him. Zach is an obsessed virgin trying as hard as possible with every girl out there and it's all he talks about. How do you train that lmaoall Zach needs is experience and a guiding hand!
If Nyx made it with Nathan why can she not make it with Zach? because Zach is there to serve a purpose at how the MC should not behave but even Zach will grow out of it!
except you can train him to be a true bro!
as stated he only needs a guiding hand!
perhaps helping him get a girlfriend but then you need a girlfriend for him that is in love with your MC or getting him a girlfriend will only mean that that weak ass idiot would become her servant instead of your bodyguard and personal chauffeur!
It is about time to realize that Zach is not a living person, but a character in a novel. Nyx put him there for a reason. She knows exactly what the ideal wingman (Nathan) is, so if Zach is different, there's a reason:yeah, she did. nathan is a good bro. zach sucks tho
wasn't getting into the discussion can or can't nyx write a proper male bff, it's obvious she can. just had to react when I saw someone saying zach is a good bro. I wouldn't wanna have an idiot like zach near me irl
So instead of making it so the girls fall for the MC in realistic manner, the dev added a character whose sole purpose is to make the MC look better by comparison? I'm sorry but that is just terrible writing. I'm not saying that is what is happened here, but if it was intended this way, then that is beyond stupid.It is about time to realize that Zach is not a living person, but a character in a novel. Nyx put him there for a reason. She knows exactly what the ideal wingman (Nathan) is, so if Zach is different, there's a reason:
She needs to justify why all the girls unrealistically fall for the MC, hence the need for Zach as a stark contrast.
Also, this way Nyx can outsource the unavoidable stupidities: saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, carrying out childish nonsense.
Put it this way, "Life is too short to make all the mistakes yourself."
So for me, Zach is a hard to tolerate but useful character in the story.
That take works with other games, in this one we have realistic stuff happening. All these girls aren't crazy in love with MC. He is a guy with an amazing physique, nice face, he treats each of those girls in a good way, not to mention the fact that all the girls are aged 17-20 so they are in that time in their lives when they just fool around, discover themselves etc. The better you treat the girls in this story the more intimacy you develop with them (Rachel excluded). There are plenty guys who have multiple girls wanting them and they are not even that good (some have just good physique and girls are crushing real hard on them. Even if they are absolute jerks). As I stated not all girls are in love with him. Some really like him, others have a crush on him and the next tier is girls who started developing deeper feelings for him. Those who have already shown glimpses of deep feelings for him are just 2 girls in the end of episode 8. That's it.It is about time to realize that Zach is not a living person, but a character in a novel. Nyx put him there for a reason. She knows exactly what the ideal wingman (Nathan) is, so if Zach is different, there's a reason:
She needs to justify why all the girls unrealistically fall for the MC, hence the need for Zach as a stark contrast.
Also, this way Nyx can outsource the unavoidable stupidities: saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, carrying out childish nonsense.
Put it this way, "Life is too short to make all the mistakes yourself."
So for me, Zach is a hard to tolerate but useful character in the story.