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So instead of making it so the girls fall for the MC in realistic manner, the dev added a character whose sole purpose is to make the MC look better by comparison? I'm sorry but that is just terrible writing. I'm not saying that is what is happened here, but if it was intended this way, then that is beyond stupid.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this one.
On the one hand, this AVN is far more realistic than usual. But here, too, in the first two weeks alone, the MC has sex 7 times with 4 different women in Madison Springs, if I'm counting correctly.
And that requires the other male heroes in town to be obnoxious: Zach, Ethan, Darryl, Lucas.
And it's not necessarily the writer's fault. If the other guys were more attractive, the MC would have to seduce women in relationships back and forth, and then this forum would be full of outraged comments about ugly 3 letter abbreviations.
 
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That take works with other games, in this one we have realistic stuff happening. All these girls aren't crazy in love with MC. He is a guy with an amazing physique, nice face, he treats each of those girls in a good way, not to mention the fact that all the girls are aged 17-20 so they are in that time in their lives when they just fool around, discover themselves etc. The better you treat the girls in this story the more intimacy you develop with them (Rachel excluded). There are plenty guys who have multiple girls wanting them and they are not even that good (some have just good physique and girls are crushing real hard on them. Even if they are absolute jerks). As I stated not all girls are in love with him. Some really like him, others have a crush on him and the next tier is girls who started developing deeper feelings for him. Those who have already shown glimpses of deep feelings for him are just 2 girls in the end of episode 8. That's it.
So I don't see how anything is unrealistic about girls and MC at all. They don't just fall for him. You spend 8 episodes for something more than some playful kisses with Layla and that's only if you really pursue her. I've played plenty games and that's one of the about 5 more or less games that I've actually liked because of the realism. If a guy is really hot, every girl likes him. That's it though, just like them. And every guy likes a really hot girl. When they get to spend time with those hot people, in case they are nice human beings with manners then it's natural to like them even more am I wrong? What's not to like about a really hot teenager with manners, who helps people without expecting something in return? (Layla Park, Elena Cheer practice, Layla Spanish lessons, just a few of the examples). When you see a combo like that you start to think that the guy might be dumb because otherwise it would be too good to be true. But nah he doesn't lack brain cells and he is even good at school (hot athlete with a possible scholarship and he is good with advanced mathematics ffs).
So yeah, Zach is just a character not a human being (there are plenty Zachs out there in real life, we are just sharing thoughts). Does he have a purpose in the game? Sure he does and we'll find more later. But definitely not the one you mentioned.

I like your arguments and agree with most of them.
But even so, MC seems too good to be true.
 
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I like your arguments and agree with most of them.
But even so, MC seems too good to be true.
Well, the certain MC is too good to be true that's right. But many girls or guys liking a certain person a lot is still realistic. And I believe the creator did an amazing job for MC's plot to look to good to be true but still keep it real. Perfect example is Cara/Nikki choice. If you are nice to them, they admit to each other they have some feelings for you and let you choose. That's a crucial move by Nyx there. In any other game you would just fuck with both sisters and even the mother when the wedding is canceled. The 2 sisters would probably even convince Haley to fuck MC because "he is so supportive mom, you will feel better" :KEK:. So yeah, I believe Nyx did a really good job on keep that really thin line alive in many situations. I'm glad the dev was a woman lol
 

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The problem with Zach is probably that the developer is a woman, it's like a bit of reverse psychology. Just as men as developers sometimes portray women's behavior as slightly odd, here it's the other way round. As Zach has been portrayed so far, he is not buddy material.
If you want to see a good buddy, watch Acting Lessons. The MC can even get him a woman there, you couldn't do that to a girl with Zach in Intertwined.
ehh i disagree, i think she is just showing what some people are like. she has written the MC way different so its not like she doesnt understand.

zach is a playa that cant get pussy, we all know that playa type and also the person who tries and cant get any. ive seen male devs write mcs who are kinda like zach but they get pussy and its what makes the games so unrealistic and just laughable.
If anything she opened my eyes up to what some are like and how fucking cringy it is so she did a good job imo.

zach is literally just there to make the mc look better and to show he has a male friend that you dont need to worry about if you fear NTR type of things. ima still slap the fuck outta him if he creeps on erynn tho
 

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This is the ONLY game I've played where I get why the girls falls for MC.
Hell, even I sometimes find myself falling for him (no homo). The inside jokes are adorable and endearing, and he's just the right amount of manly without being "in your face manly" like in most other games.
 

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This is the ONLY game I've played where I get why the girls falls for MC.
Hell, even I sometimes find myself falling for him (no homo). The inside jokes are adorable and endearing, and he's just the right amount of manly without being "in your face manly" like in most other games.
If this is the only game then there's a chance you missed out on a really good project of DPC, Being a DIK. Tons to discuss about that one but obviously won't do that here.
 
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So instead of making it so the girls fall for the MC in realistic manner, the dev added a character whose sole purpose is to make the MC look better by comparison? I'm sorry but that is just terrible writing. I'm not saying that is what is happened here, but if it was intended this way, then that is beyond stupid.
ive seen real life examples of it though, you have never met a group of girls and then you see one who is a fucking idiot and it just shows how great someone else around her is?

fault of my own i try and see the good in some people instead of the bad and someone i knew was a actual bitch, it took me to see her against someone else for me to really realise how bad she is though. Once i see that i did a 180 and it made me realise i wanted someone that was more like the other person. Shit can blind you sometimes until its in your face like that. so i dont think its bad writing if thats what she did it for, for me its just realistic.
 

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ive seen real life examples of it though, you have never met a group of girls and then you see one who is a fucking idiot and it just shows how great someone else around her is?

fault of my own i try and see the good in some people instead of the bad and someone i knew was a actual bitch, it took me to see her against someone else for me to really realise how bad she is though. Once i see that i did a 180 and it made me realise i wanted someone that was more like the other person. Shit can blind you sometimes until its in your face like that. so i dont think its bad writing if thats what she did it for, for me its just realistic.
There's no person being a 100% good/bad inside. And focusing on the good parts shouldn't be a fault but our society is a joke so yeah we get your point.
 
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Well, the certain MC is too good to be true that's right. But many girls or guys liking a certain person a lot is still realistic. And I believe the creator did an amazing job for MC's plot to look to good to be true but still keep it real. Perfect example is Cara/Nikki choice. If you are nice to them, they admit to each other they have some feelings for you and let you choose. That's a crucial move by Nyx there. In any other game you would just fuck with both sisters and even the mother when the wedding is canceled. The 2 sisters would probably even convince Haley to fuck MC because "he is so supportive mom, you will feel better" :KEK:. So yeah, I believe Nyx did a really good job on keep that really thin line alive in many situations. I'm glad the dev was a woman lol
MC's Not "to good to be true".
He's just a regular guy, not perfect but not that bad.
Granted, play through can very things as to be expected with diversity of choice when able to.
 

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MC's Not "to good to be true".
He's just a regular guy, not perfect but not that bad.
Granted, play through can very things as to be expected with diversity of choice when able to.
Without any player interaction he is "too good". A God sent body coupled with extraordinary intelligence, educated, bilingual, charming, sexually skilled and athletically competitive. This is probably how every girl imagines her "first" and every mother-in-law imagines her son-in-law. Don't get me wrong, he fits into this game like no other, but that's not standard or regular by any means irl.
 

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Without any player interaction he is "too good". A God sent body coupled with extraordinary intelligence, educated, bilingual, charming, sexually skilled and athletically competitive. This is probably how every girl imagines her "first" and every mother-in-law imagines her son-in-law. Don't get me wrong, he fits into this game like no other, but that's not standard or regular by any means irl.
Perhaps for You and others.
As far as it is for myself(life partners included).
He's a regular guy.
 

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Without any player interaction he is "too good". A God sent body coupled with extraordinary intelligence, educated, bilingual, charming, sexually skilled and athletically competitive. This is probably how every girl imagines her "first" and every mother-in-law imagines her son-in-law. Don't get me wrong, he fits into this game like no other, but that's not standard or regular by any means irl.
considering his background being bi lingual is nothing! his mothers name is Vicari which yes its latin but Italian Latin not Spanish Latin so he should be able to speak 3 languages as an advantage!

he also probably had secondary languages at school! since he is already fluent in Spanish he should have taken french or German ... so if he picked Spanish ... yeah not so smart indeed! just lazy!

As for being smart... for such a smart guy he does get caught up in shitty situations all the time!
a smart dude would be able to read the situation and have either put E-Manual in his place with overwhelming strength or should have stayed out and played in the background!

instead what does he do? he humiliates the dude in front of his peers making an enemy out of a possible future Ally or of someone who was neutral! if he was smart he would make fun of him on 1 vs 1 but when you do it publicly and in front off their peers you gave the dude no chance except retaliate!

Yes it shows courage, but imagine he had done it to someone on a wheelchair? or someone smaller then him? if he is trully that smart that is a sort of bullying flexing his brains like that!

As for body the dude is coming out of his teenager years, except for massive zip issues who could have ruined his face he is at his peek beauty! if he keeps working and being athletic he will hit his peek at 22 years of age! actually we can say with objectivity that Zach as a tighter body then the MC!

as for educated it does not fit his profile! Andre is nor particularly polite and he had no mother to teach him etiquette! i think that what you mean is charm... which is what people blame in Andre!

As for being sexually skilled... well he as been practicing since he was 14 or perhaps 16 with iris so yes compared with the rest who are like 80% virgins, so he is not gifted he is experienced and that is more thanks to iris then an innate quality! he also seems to have experienced with different women who might have helped him to know whats specific to particular women and what is a rule of thumb applicable to almost all women!

so yes he fits into the game but most of it does not come out of his work or skills but granted by luck of his gens his family culture his good luck in finding a good girlfriend with a cool father like Biker John or the specific state of life in which he finds himself!

had the MC been born to poor parents? his 3 parents are all well off to say the least, and he is an only child! if he was for instance Elena brother being so poor? being poor and having to share resources ... he probably would be an high school drop out to help the family!

if he had nowhere to run and had to endure the idiot harassment how open minded and smart would he be instead of a social shut in the result of being constantly bullied ?

if he had stayed with Emily (Em being a cook...) what amazing body would you think he would have? he would probably be overweight (since being bullied over being Erynn "younger" brother means he did not have the self reliance to try out for sports to begin with!)

if he had stayed with a jaded Andre instead of someone who took it in the chin and kept on living would he had learned how be charming and talking to girls?

he is quite regular for the conditions that he was granted, if anything we can say he is quite lazy he should have gotten more with the advantages he has add! being charming and sexually skilled he should have had more girlfriends! he did not had to go hungry to bed or find part time jobs to supplement his family earnings he should be far far better academically and athletically!

he is good at making friends... how come he only left 2 people who remember him on his hometown? he should have had far more and far better friends!

so yes he is standard for his advantages or even bellow par, what kind of idiot has sex with a total stranger risking std´s? he did not even had a fucking condom... smart? the dudes an idiot! always being caught out of left field getting punched and hurt and played like a fiddle for every idiot that wants to use him!

if he had been born poor in an overcrowded family with little living space with no chances to study and work out and he was the MC as we see him then yes, that would make him stand out, actually if he had had to endure bullying and social shame for his family economic position he would be a true hero!
 
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considering his background being bi lingual is nothing! his mothers name is Vicari which yes its latin but Italian Latin not Spanish Latin so he should be able to speak 3 languages as an advantage!

he also probably had secondary languages at school! since he is already fluent in Spanish he should have taken french or German ... so if he picked Spanish ... yeah not so smart indeed! just lazy!

As for being smart... for such a smart guy he does get caught up in shitty situations all the time!
a smart dude would be able to read the situation and have either put E-Manual in his place with overwhelming strength or should have stayed out and played in the background!

instead what does he do? he humiliates the dude in front of his peers making an enemy out of a possible future Ally or of someone who was neutral! if he was smart he would make fun of him on 1 vs 1 but when you do it publicly and in front off their peers you gave the dude no chance except retaliate!

Yes it shows courage, but imagine he had done it to someone on a wheelchair? or someone smaller then him? if he is trully that smart that is a sort of bullying flexing his brains like that!

As for body the dude is coming out of his teenager years, except for massive zip issues who could have ruined his face he is at his peek beauty! if he keeps working and being athletic he will hit his peek at 22 years of age! actually we can say with objectivity that Zach as a tighter body then the MC!

as for educated it does not fit his profile! Andre is nor particularly polite and he had no mother to teach him etiquette! i think that what you mean is charm... which is what people blame in Andre!

As for being sexually skilled... well he as been practicing since he was 14 or perhaps 16 with iris so yes compared with the rest who are like 80% virgins, so he is not gifted he is experienced and that is more thanks to iris then an innate quality! he also seems to have experienced with different women who might have helped him to know whats specific to particular women and what is a rule of thumb applicable to almost all women!

so yes he fits into the game but most of it does not come out of his work or skills but granted by luck of his gens his family culture his good luck in finding a good girlfriend with a cool father like Biker John or the specific state of life in which he finds himself!

had the MC been born to poor parents? his 3 parents are all well off to say the least, and he is an only child! if he was for instance Elena brother being so poor? being poor and having to share resources ... he probably would be an high school drop out to help the family!

if he had nowhere to run and had to endure the idiot harassment how open minded and smart would he be instead of a social shut in the result of being constantly bullied ?

if he had stayed with Emily (Em being a cook...) what amazing body would you think he would have? he would probably be overweight (since being bullied over being Erynn "younger" brother means he did not have the self reliance to try out for sports to begin with!)

if he had stayed with a jaded Andre instead of someone who took it in the chin and kept on living would he had learned how be charming and talking to girls?

he is quite regular for the conditions that he was granted, if anything we can say he is quite lazy he should have gotten more with the advantages he has add! being charming and sexually skilled he should have had more girlfriends! he did not had to go hungry to bed or find part time jobs to supplement his family earnings he should be far far better academically and athletically!

he is good at making friends... how come he only left 2 people who remember him on his hometown? he should have had far more and far better friends!

so yes he is standard for his advantages or even bellow par, what kind of idiot has sex with a total stranger risking std´s? he did not even had a fucking condom... smart? the dudes an idiot! always being caught out of left field getting punched and hurt and played like a fiddle for every idiot that wants to use him!

if he had been born poor in an overcrowded family with little living space with no chances to study and work out and he was the MC as we see him then yes, that would make him stand out, actually if he had had to endure bullying and social shame for his family economic position he would be a true hero!
Hah, now you want to talk us into how bad he is, really? A discussion of ifs and buts is pointless since he is what is given by Nyx. And like I said, if you just look at it from the start of the game, he's anything but the standard boy from around the corner. That's just my opinion, if you have another, fine by me.
 

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Perhaps for You and others.
As far as it is for myself(life partners included).
He's a regular guy.
There's no way you call this regular. Even if you have dated quite a few guys like him it doesn't mean they are regulars. MC is well above average and it's not even close. And by that I don't mean that he has the looks of Brad Pitt, the mind and talents of Da Vinci and the manners and love of Jesus Christ :KEK:. I didn't mean to exaggerate, my point was that all around he is really good given his age as well. If it was just about his looks or something else I would agree but in this case we have a really nice combo and it kinda does make him stand out
 
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There's no way you call this regular. Even if you have dated quite a few guys like him it doesn't mean they are regulars. MC is well above average and it's not even close. And by that I don't mean that he has the looks of Brad Pitt, the mind and talents of Da Vinci and the manners and love of Jesus Christ :KEK:. I didn't mean to exaggerate, my point was that all around he is really good given his age as well. If it was just about his looks or something else I would agree but in this case we have a really nice combo and it kinda does make him stand out
Obvious, have kept company of differnt type(s) of people.
No clue where You're from or even more aplicable, choice of company.
Change of view may do well for ya, we reccomend it.;)
 

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Good news, bad news, the usual, ...

All renders are ready. There are a few I need to redo but that won't take more than a few days. I've finished my first round of proofreading and will do so again once everything is coded. Coding is going pretty good so far, tested the parts I've done already and they seem to work as intended.

Found a bug in episode 8 on a route that I think not many people have taken, else this would've been spotted already. You saw some scenes you weren't supposed to. Fixed it and it won't affect saves.

Due to me cutting a lot of scenes and changing some events to other dates, the in-game days are a little messed up. Events that happen on a Wednesday, happened on a Tuesday,... It doesn't really have an impact on-screen, but the code (labels,...) is named wrong. I haven't changed that yet since I don't know if me changing it will break saves.

I had to remove a few animations because they were absolutely terrible. It looked like the characters were shaking from cold. It was not nice to look at. The problem is that I can't see the full animation in DAZ (It skips frames), so I can only see the final result once they are rendered and coded. In total, I had to remove 500+ renders, which pained me to do so. You might ask, why do them in the first place? Well, I enjoy doing them and I want to get better at creating them. If I don't try, I won't improve. Even if they'll turn out shitty and I'll have to remove them. If there's still time after I've redone the few renders I need to re-render, I might give it another go, but that chance is slim. There's more important stuff to do. The positive of me deleting all those renders, the download size is 500MB smaller.
 

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Obvious, have kept company of differnt type(s) of people.
No clue where You're from or even more aplicable, choice of company.
Change of view may do well for ya, we reccomend it.;)
Lived in Ukraine, Greece and Cyprus. Hanged out with rich people, poor people, introverts, extroverts, people with better physique, men, women and the list goes on. Was even friends with many different types of them at the point I wouldn't have time to fit everyone in my schedule. In the end I took a more lonely and peaceful path
Bringing Val into this was sneaky.
I was pinging between Nicky and Alexis then bam! Val entered...
She will be mine :sneaky:
Oh man I know that feeling :FacePalm:
 
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