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Quick little progress update.

Still working on the morning scene since it has a few variations. I hope I can finish it this week. I've had enough of creating MC waking up scenes. I've made quite a few already. Maybe I should just skip them in the future, but then again, it's an easy way to see when a new day starts. Or maybe instead of waking up in bed, MC's taking his morning shower or eating in the kitchen. Something to consider once I start working on the second day of this update.

I've also started the code rewrite. I've finished the first 2 episodes already. They are small, and not much is going on with pathing and relationship points, so it was pretty simple. Episode 3 is also almost complete, and it will take more time once I start working on episode 4, because the biggest changes begin there due to the Riverside girls. While working on the code, I'm also taking a look at the script and polishing it if necessary.

Here's another big change I'm considering doing. When I first created the first episodes, very early on, you had to decide between Erynn and Layla. It's the scene after the club, if you stay with Erynn or go with Layla to the train station. Depending on your decision there, one of those routes would be closed. But after a lot of feedback, I changed it to you don't have to decide and continue on both their paths. That decision has bitten me in the ass so many times already. Even to this point in the game, you can still date both girls. Which doesn't make any sense at all. If you date both girls, Alexis knows you're with Layla, and Erynn probably tells her about the date and other stuff. That route was never planned, and it's just a big mess imo. And because of that, I had to scrap lots of scenes involving both Erynn and Layla because they couldn't be in the same scene because of their relationship status with the MC. Meaning, I'm considering reverting that decision, so you'll have to make a "harder" choice earlier on again. I know that it will shorten certain routes, and some of you probably couldn't wait for the drama that would cause if you're finally caught, but as I said, it doesn't make sense. Plus, there are other combinations that will cause the same drama if or when you're getting caught.

What's your opinion on this?

I always thought that was a unfair choice pushed too early, still do.
You are forced to make a choice between the girl you have been interacting for a few scenes already and a girl you only heard about(and not very positively at that).
Basically you have to chose to finish a route before properly being introduced to the girl.

Maybe between then and now, Erynn should confront the MC and tell us that she knows about Layla and demand some kind of decision.

The current version of the game offers choices for you to break up with Erynn for Layla, but you can't break up with Layla for Erynn(Layla route is very "sticky", with no clean exits), that's also poorly balanced... Maybe fix this instead of forcing this early decision.

Nyx has a point, it never made sense that you could date Layla but then have the slow burn with Erynn too. Alexis would pick up on it easily.

I dismissed it as just relationship points causing weird routing issues to happen.

I agree that something about them knowing about each other should be added.
Cutting it before it even starts, that's where i think there must be better options.

I'm thinking it would be better if the saves wouldn't get fucked up again

Nyx puts a major cliffhanger at the end of episode 14... everybody debating wether it was real or not...
And then forces us to play everything from the start, that's her ultimate troll move.

BTW-Alternative waking scenes, point scored for "it was real" imo.

 

[TonyMurray]

I always thought that was a unfair choice pushed too early, still do.
You are forced to make a choice between the girl you have been interacting for a few scenes already and a girl you only heard about(and not very positively at that).
Basically you have to chose to finish a route before properly being introduced to the girl.

Yeah, I think it's probably the right thing to do, but the wrong place to do it. Not only for the reason you mention, but because it just doesn't make sense on either route to have it break the path - you bump into an old friend and she asks to talk, it would be a bit of a dick move to leave Layla at that point, but understandable if you explain it, and it's not as if you're dating her at that point anyway. On the flip side, again it would be completely understandable for Erynn if you said you were on a night out with someone and had to see they got home safe, we'll have to catch up soon, when it's also not just thrown in front of you so neither of you can prepare yourselves... It shouldn't break either path, but you should have to make a choice (or have it made for you) early on because Alexis can only go so far without finding out (about as far as it takes to find out your dating both her and her sister, perhaps...).

 

[Daermon420]

Here's another big change I'm considering doing. When I first created the first episodes, very early on, you had to decide between Erynn and Layla. It's the scene after the club, if you stay with Erynn or go with Layla to the train station. Depending on your decision there, one of those routes would be closed. But after a lot of feedback, I changed it to you don't have to decide and continue on both their paths. That decision has bitten me in the ass so many times already. Even to this point in the game, you can still date both girls. Which doesn't make any sense at all. If you date both girls, Alexis knows you're with Layla, and Erynn probably tells her about the date and other stuff. That route was never planned, and it's just a big mess imo. And because of that, I had to scrap lots of scenes involving both Erynn and Layla because they couldn't be in the same scene because of their relationship status with the MC. Meaning, I'm considering reverting that decision, so you'll have to make a "harder" choice earlier on again. I know that it will shorten certain routes, and some of you probably couldn't wait for the drama that would cause if you're finally caught, but as I said, it doesn't make sense. Plus, there are other combinations that will cause the same drama if or when you're getting caught.

What's your opinion on this?

I agree with you that it doesn't make sense at all being able to date both, with them both being so close with Alexis. Plus this game already has so many branches that pruning off one unintended one doesn't really seem like a big deal to me. Especially if it allows the freedom to use Erynn and Layla in more scenes together without it being really strange.

I always thought that was a unfair choice pushed too early, still do.
You are forced to make a choice between the girl you have been interacting for a few scenes already and a girl you only heard about(and not very positively at that).
Basically you have to chose to finish a route before properly being introduced to the girl.

I don't agree that it's too early. As you've said by that point you got to know Erynn some already so should have at least some idea of whether you're into her or not. If you are, choose Erynn, if you aren't, choose to go with Layla and find out if you'll like her more.

 

[Elduriel]

Nyx has a point, it never made sense that you could date Layla but then have the slow burn with Erynn too. Alexis would pick up on it easily.

I dismissed it as just relationship points causing weird routing issues to happen.

sure, but she could have made that point at any time, like when she made us redo our saves before for example? It's not like she just realized this now.

 

[jadepaladin]

I always thought that was a unfair choice pushed too early, still do.
You are forced to make a choice between the girl you have been interacting for a few scenes already and a girl you only heard about(and not very positively at that).
Basically you have to chose to finish a route before properly being introduced to the girl.

Maybe between then and now, Erynn should confront the MC and tell us that she knows about Layla and demand some kind of decision.

The current version of the game offers choices for you to break up with Erynn for Layla, but you can't break up with Layla for Erynn(Layla route is very "sticky", with no clean exits), that's also poorly balanced... Maybe fix this instead of forcing this early decision.


I agree that something about them knowing about each other should be added.
Cutting it before it even starts, that's where i think there must be better options.


Nyx puts a major cliffhanger at the end of episode 14... everybody debating wether it was real or not...
And then forces us to play everything from the start, that's her ultimate troll move.

BTW-Alternative waking scenes, point scored for "it was real" imo.

I was trying to think about how I'd handle this and I realized Erynn is too skittish in her friendship with the MC to actually confront him over Layla so it would have to be Layla doing the confronting.

 

[jadepaladin]

What if Alexis is the one to confront MC? In a "Hey you're close to my sister and you know how Erynn feels, what are you doing?" and from there we get a choice similar to what Val asks you to do when choosing between her and Alexis.

Could even have Alexis be more openly hostile if he fucked up with her too.

 

[UncleFappy]

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Quick little progress update.

Still working on the morning scene since it has a few variations. I hope I can finish it this week. I've had enough of creating MC waking up scenes. I've made quite a few already. Maybe I should just skip them in the future, but then again, it's an easy way to see when a new day starts. Or maybe instead of waking up in bed, MC's taking his morning shower or eating in the kitchen. Something to consider once I start working on the second day of this update.

I've also started the code rewrite. I've finished the first 2 episodes already. They are small, and not much is going on with pathing and relationship points, so it was pretty simple. Episode 3 is also almost complete, and it will take more time once I start working on episode 4, because the biggest changes begin there due to the Riverside girls. While working on the code, I'm also taking a look at the script and polishing it if necessary.

Here's another big change I'm considering doing. When I first created the first episodes, very early on, you had to decide between Erynn and Layla. It's the scene after the club, if you stay with Erynn or go with Layla to the train station. Depending on your decision there, one of those routes would be closed. But after a lot of feedback, I changed it to you don't have to decide and continue on both their paths. That decision has bitten me in the ass so many times already. Even to this point in the game, you can still date both girls. Which doesn't make any sense at all. If you date both girls, Alexis knows you're with Layla, and Erynn probably tells her about the date and other stuff. That route was never planned, and it's just a big mess imo. And because of that, I had to scrap lots of scenes involving both Erynn and Layla because they couldn't be in the same scene because of their relationship status with the MC. Meaning, I'm considering reverting that decision, so you'll have to make a "harder" choice earlier on again. I know that it will shorten certain routes, and some of you probably couldn't wait for the drama that would cause if you're finally caught, but as I said, it doesn't make sense. Plus, there are other combinations that will cause the same drama if or when you're getting caught.

What's your opinion on this?

I actually much prefer having that hard route lock out with the Erynn/Layla choice. By then, you know Erynn is MC's old crush, that there's some drama there. So it sets the tone for your playthrough: will you try to work things out with Erynn (even though you still don't know much about her in the present day), or will you move past it and look to some of the hotties around you?

I dunno, maybe I'm biased because I had already made my choice (Alexis) by this point.

EDIT: Maybe the literal first meeting with Erynn might have been too hasty for the lockout, but I still dig it.

 

[anonnyscouse]

sure, but she could have made that point at any time, like when she made us redo our saves before for example? It's not like she just realized this now.

The problem is that she has already changed it on one of the other forced redo updates due to popular opinion, originally you had to choose to end either the Erynn path or the Layla (and by extension Elena) path. That was unpopular for the reasons that other people are talking about now, so she changed it so that the decision doesn't close a path. But now she's realised that by changing it it's created problems further along in the story, so she's changing it back in another update that already requires redos. Basically she is doing exactly what you are suggesting, twice.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Doesnt the mod let you choose both anyway? Seems like a big ole waste regardless. Only forwards we go, not back

 

[Maviarab]

Alexis would pick up on it easily.

Well she hasn't realised me and Erynn are starting to get a lil frisky with each other yet....

And Erynn sure ain't told her

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Well she hasn't realised me and Erynn are starting to get a lil frisky with each other yet....

And Erynn sure ain't told her

Yea my MC molests Erynn right in front of Alexis and chose to marry Erynn and Alexis barely picks up on that. She's not been shown to be exactly intuitive lolz

 

[jadepaladin]

Well she hasn't realised me and Erynn are starting to get a lil frisky with each other yet....

And Erynn sure ain't told her

On a playthrough where you are with Alexis? Erynn isn't happening.

On a playthrough where you're not with Alexis? She won't care and she'll be happy for her best friend.

 

[Elduriel]

The problem is that she has already changed it on one of the other forced redo updates due to popular opinion, originally you had to choose to end either the Erynn path or the Layla (and by extension Elena) path. That was unpopular for the reasons that other people are talking about now, so she changed it so that the decision doesn't close a path. But now she's realised that by changing it it's created problems further along in the story, so she's changing it back in another update that already requires redos. Basically she is doing exactly what you are suggesting, twice.

so she is just an idiot then, gotcha Looking forward to another redo in an update or three I guess

 

[Acsuka]

The current version of the game offers choices for you to break up with Erynn for Layla, but you can't break up with Layla for Erynn(Layla route is very "sticky", with no clean exits), that's also poorly balanced... Maybe fix this instead of forcing this early decision.

Sorry but I disagree here... Why can't MC break up with Layla?... He did it on the Elena route... What's the difference? Same situation: Sorry Layla, but I like Erynn better... that's all... I don't understand your "there are no clear ways out" argument... If you have to choose because there is no other option (Nyx), then accept the consequences...

 

[Kaskaze]

Let the choice stay. Add a scene with Emily who will block MC's dick and that's it

 

[jadepaladin]

Sorry but I disagree here... Why can't MC break up with Layla?... He did it on the Elena route... What's the difference? Same situation: Sorry Layla, but I like Erynn better... that's all... I don't understand your "there are no clear ways out" argument... If you have to choose because there is no other option (Nyx), then accept the consequences...

In the current state of the game, if you are dating Layla, there's no way for you to end that relationship if you want to be with Erynn instead.

The rest of the Layla+ paths have an exit, such as Alexis with training camp, or Elena after Layla's date and right before she gives up her virginity.

 

[valbitterb]

Guess the ass ... (There were surprisingly some main ladies that did not have full on naked ass renders. Or if they did, they were from the older versions of the game. I hope Nyx can fix this for future updates.)

I think...
Erynn-Adriana-Layla-Brooke
Iris-Alexis-Val-Gianna-Gabi
Elena-Melissa-Cara-Nikki
Rachel-Ms Davis-Emily-Tori-Ximena-Sienna

Exactly my guess also. Call yourself the master of asses @LSC82

1. Erynn
2. Adriana
3. Layla
4. Brooke
5. Iris
6. maybe Alexis
7. Val
8. ? lol didn't see this one till I edited my post to make it look nicer
9. Maybe Gabi through process of elimination
10. Elena
11. Mel
12. Cara
13. Nikki
14. Rachael
15. Math teacher ( almost didn't see this one)
16. Emily
17. Tori
18. ?
19. Sienna

Definitely better than the Erynn poster... This is a wall of fame, or a trophy collection... Now let's see the girls' reactions...

? - Adriana - Layla - Mommy Brooke
Iris? - Nikki? - Valeria - ? - Gabi
Elena - Melissa - ? - ?
? - Ms Davis - Emily? - Tori - Cara? -Sienna

Left to right, top to bottom.
1.Erynn
2.Adriana
3.Layla
4.Brooke
5.Iris
6.Alexis
7.Val
8. Gianna
9.Gabi
10.Elena
11.Melissa
12.Cara
13.Nikki
14.Rachel
15.Naomi
16.Emily
17.Tori
18.Ximena
19.Sienna

There's one between Val and Gabi

That one is tough lol.
Putting some thought i'll say Gianna the bartender by proccess of elimination.

I was hoping Gianna was packing more than that.

And the winners for the Guess the Asses contest are (DRUM ROLL) LSC82 and Justaphase!!!!

But don't worry to the ones that didn't win.

Everyone is a winner on this thread as I present the prize:

The Ass(HOLE) of all AssHoles, and the one of the few asses the MC hasn't mounted (pun intended) yet on his trophy wall (of shame).

 

[TonyMurray]

Doesnt the mod let you choose both anyway? Seems like a big ole waste regardless. Only forwards we go, not back

I'm not sure if that's a genuine question or not, but this would be a good example of why mods shouldn't really offer such "see both" options. It all looks okay up to a point, but then you get a scene where something no longer makes sense, because you're doing something that you shouldn't be able to do. Seeing two variations of a scene, or both night-out options involving two girls knowingly in your harem perhaps, are one thing, but combining two actual paths that are not intended to be combined is generally where mods get their "fuck up your game" reputation from (along with the "generally don't work for x days after a new update drops" bit...).

 

[Kaskaze]

And the winners for the Guess the Asses contest are (DRUM ROLL) LSC82 and Justaphase!!!!

But don't worry to the ones that didn't win.

Everyone is a winner on this thread as I present the prize:

The Ass(HOLE) of all AssHoles, and the one of the few asses the MC hasn't mounted (pun intended) yet on his trophy wall (of shame).

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WHY? now you deserve a ban

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Let the choice stay. Add a scene with Emily who will block MC's dick and that's it

At this rate we won't get any scenes with Erynn until their wedding in the finale. and even then Emily will appear for cockblocking MC