VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[Acsuka]

In the current state of the game, if you are dating Layla, there's no way for you to end that relationship if you want to be with Erynn instead.

The rest of the Layla+ paths have an exit, such as Alexis with training camp, or Elena after Layla's date and right before she gives up her virginity.

Oh yes, because Nyx hasn't written this scene yet unfortunately... Well, if I remember correctly, even on the Layla route you can get a lot of points for Erynn (and maybe even on the ASR route the beach scenes give Erynn points)... And if you also participate in the photo shoot, that's a big plus for Erynn... Maybe it's just me, but Erynn is definitely "attached" to MC... Much more than an Elena who doesn't even know what she wants, and an irresponsible MC is groping in total darkness wondering what Elena will answer her... It all depends on when Nyx gets involved in this relationship, and I can decide right away...
Of course I could be wrong, because I'm just an average player who sometimes sees more in a relationship than is actually true... In that case, I apologize to everyone...

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

On a playthrough where you are with Alexis? Erynn isn't happening.

On a playthrough where you're not with Alexis? She won't care and she'll be happy for her best friend.

The hell it aint. If I don't get a bitch I warned you to stay away from my man scene from erynn once it's found out, i shall be disappointed

 

[jadepaladin]

Oh she happens, but in a "softer" way. Her route is still open. There're even renders of Erynn you can only see on this Alexis/Erynn route. Erynn is jealus.

That's fair. For some reason I thought if you were chasing both they already confronted you over it but I don't mind being wrong in this case.

 

[Maviarab]

That's fair. For some reason I thought if you were chasing both they already confronted you over it but I don't mind being wrong in this case.

Nope....I'll say it again.

Slexi clueless...Erynn guilty...both rolling along happily...well, for now at least lmao. I know it won't end well but it is my fave route and probably the only route I will redo next update.

 

[anonnyscouse]

That's fair. For some reason I thought if you were chasing both they already confronted you over it but I don't mind being wrong in this case.

There is a confrontation if you get it wrong, but it's possible to avoid them finding out about each other, yet.

 

[hakuna-matata]

Oh she happens, but in a "softer" way. Her route is still open. There're even renders of Erynn you can only see on this Alexis/Erynn route. Erynn is jealus.

Which ones? I don't 100% recall.

 

[Dessolos]

There is a confrontation if you get it wrong, but it's possible to avoid them finding out about each other, yet.

yup it's why you go running with Layla. tbh at that point I was confused when it happened didn't think I was that far along with Erynn yet but I was waiting to break it off with Alexis to not cheat on Erynn in the future. But that was my very first PT

 

[Tremonia]

Which ones? I don't 100% recall.

Every time when MC is kissing Alexis or both are showing some affection there's a reaction of Erynn. On friendship route she's mostly smiling and happy for her bestie, but on the route where the path is still open she looks a little bit sad or is biting on her lips.

 

[Elduriel]

Every time when MC is kissing Alexis or both are showing some affection there's a reaction of Erynn. On friendship route she's mostly smiling and happy for her bestie, but on the route where the path is still open she looks a little bit sad or is biting on her lips.

same with Elena when not just friends with her

 

[LSC82]

Yeah, I think it's probably the right thing to do, but the wrong place to do it. Not only for the reason you mention, but because it just doesn't make sense on either route to have it break the path - you bump into an old friend and she asks to talk, it would be a bit of a dick move to leave Layla at that point, but understandable if you explain it, and it's not as if you're dating her at that point anyway. On the flip side, again it would be completely understandable for Erynn if you said you were on a night out with someone and had to see they got home safe, we'll have to catch up soon, when it's also not just thrown in front of you so neither of you can prepare yourselves... It shouldn't break either path, but you should have to make a choice (or have it made for you) early on because Alexis can only go so far without finding out (about as far as it takes to find out your dating both her and her sister, perhaps...).

It absolutely feels like something the girls should be able to get over.
There's literally a passed out girl that needs help in our group, Erynn should be able to understand that this isn't a rejection of her.
I think it's worst to simply leave Layla+Elena alone with Zach, but, like you said, it's not like there's anything beyond a little flirting at that point(small point drop but surviveable).

Something definitely should be done to address Layla v Erynn, but putting it here feels wrong.

I don't agree that it's too early. As you've said by that point you got to know Erynn some already so should have at least some idea of whether you're into her or not. If you are, choose Erynn, if you aren't, choose to go with Layla and find out if you'll like her more.

What? The choice Nyx is talking about is the one between staying at the club with Erynn or going home with Layla+Elena.
It's literally our first "real time" meeting with Erynn, and we have to chose between staying with her and going with Layla, before she even has the opportunity to have her first conversation, since it's cut short by the situation.

We only know Erynn exists before making this choice because she gets mentioned on flashbacks.

I was trying to think about how I'd handle this and I realized Erynn is too skittish in her friendship with the MC to actually confront him over Layla so it would have to be Layla doing the confronting.

Or Alexis... she's the one that knows what's going on.

What if Alexis is the one to confront MC? In a "Hey you're close to my sister and you know how Erynn feels, what are you doing?" and from there we get a choice similar to what Val asks you to do when choosing between her and Alexis.

Could even have Alexis be more openly hostile if he fucked up with her too.

Just after i wrote that LOL.

It's a good point, that Erynn would be a little skittish about a confrontation... maybe just a hint that she "knows" and we get the option to pick one.

Sorry but I disagree here... Why can't MC break up with Layla?... He did it on the Elena route... What's the difference? Same situation: Sorry Layla, but I like Erynn better... that's all... I don't understand your "there are no clear ways out" argument... If you have to choose because there is no other option (Nyx), then accept the consequences...

In the current state of the game, if you are dating Layla, there's no way for you to end that relationship if you want to be with Erynn instead.

The rest of the Layla+ paths have an exit, such as Alexis with training camp, or Elena after Layla's date and right before she gives up her virginity.

The problem is that this option doesn't exist, like jadepaladin said, there's no option to end things with Layla because you want to be with Erynn, it's a train that just keeps moving(there are options to dump Erynn btw, somewhat unbalanced).
Alexis and Elena do offer exit points.

Also i said "clean" break ups, the Elena one is anything but clean and shouldn't serve as a guide to anything.

Oh she happens, but in a "softer" way. Her route is still open. There're even renders of Erynn you can only see on this Alexis/Erynn route. Erynn is jealus.

Yup, Alexis blocks Erynn(and Iris) but there are constant hints that this won't be forever.

 

[Justaphase]

And the winners for the Guess the Asses contest are (DRUM ROLL) LSC82 and Justaphase!!!!

But don't worry to the ones that didn't win.

Everyone is a winner on this thread as I present the prize:

The Ass(HOLE) of all AssHoles, and the one of the few asses the MC hasn't mounted (pun intended) yet on his trophy wall (of shame).

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I feel like a winner but also a loser at the same time, because now I need to wash my eyes with bleach.

 

[Justaphase]

It absolutely feels like something the girls should be able to get over.
There's literally a passed out girl that needs help in our group, Erynn should be able to understand that this isn't a rejection of her.
I think it's worst to simply leave Layla+Elena alone with Zach, but, like you said, it's not like there's anything beyond a little flirting at that point(small point drop but surviveable).

Something definitely should be done to address Layla v Erynn, but putting it here feels wrong.

The problem is the MC's attitude to meeting Erynn again. If he had greeted her properly, gave her a long hug and said "Hey let's see each other tomorrow" Erynn would have been fine. But as usual he storms off with a "Sorry I can't do this now" and Erynn is left wondering if she will see him again after not seeing him for 5+ years so chases after him. She didn't know if he were properly back or just visiting.
A part of this is obviously because of the MC still being hung up over the confession misunderstanding. I think Nyx wanted to setup the Erynn and Layla choice early on, but then hasn't really gone any further with it yet. As you can still romance both with little or no consequence (yet)
Also it doesn't end either path as far as I know, you just lose some points but you can easily get those back.

 

[cxx]

I'm thinking it would be better if the saves wouldn't get fucked up again

most if not all agree with that.

 

[LSC82]

The problem is the MC's attitude to meeting Erynn again. If he had greeted her properly, gave her a long hug and said "Hey let's see each other tomorrow" Erynn would have been fine. But as usual he storms off with a "Sorry I can't do this now" and Erynn is left wondering if she will see him again after not seeing him for 5+ years so chases after him. She didn't know if he were properly back or just visiting.
A part of this is obviously because of the MC still being hung up over the confession misunderstanding. I think Nyx wanted to setup the Erynn and Layla choice early on, but then hasn't really gone any further with it yet. As you can still romance both with little or no consequence (yet)
Also it doesn't end either path as far as I know, you just lose some points but you can easily get those back.

I understand that the MC was caught by surprise, but he did dismiss her very hastily.
A "I want to continue this talk soon Erynn, but i need to go with them" would do the trick.

Right now Nyx it's not something that ends either girl paths, but NYx is thinking about changing this to kill one of the paths right away, we are talking about possible/better alternatives.



Thinking on how to handle Layla-Erynn(other than cutting it off at the root).

Layla "introduces" MC to Alexis at the Pizza place, before this point Alexis has nothing to talk about(and possibly isn't in speaking terms with Erynn).
Erynn also doesn't have much to say in terms of dating the MC, because there's no relationship going on.

Wether the MC has fucked Alexis or not is also a complicating factor, since it makes Erynn talking to Alexis about her happy dates with him a bit of taboo topic in my opinion.
Alexis also doesn't seem comfortable seeing him with Layla, not something she enjoys seeing or talking about.

I think after the photoshoot is the ideal spot, this is where Erynn-MC finally steps beyond "will they? won't they?", they hook up for real.
There are a couple of kisses before that, but would Erynn even mention anything to Alexis(besides the complicating factor that they might not be speaking to each other) before anything solid?
After the photoshoot, Erynn-Alexis-Iris go to the beach(without the MC), it seems like a good spot.
Btw, it also means that Erynn should also be a stopper to Iris... things just keep getting more complex

Other possible spot is after training camp, when Erynn sees Layla's panties, this one is earlier and cleaner.

TonyMurray and jadepaladin any ideas?

 

[jadepaladin]

I understand that the MC was caught by surprise, but he did dismiss her very hastily.
A "I want to continue this talk soon Erynn, but i need to go with them" would do the trick.

Right now Nyx it's not something that ends either girl paths, but NYx is thinking about changing this to kill one of the paths right away, we are talking about possible/better alternatives.



Thinking on how to handle Layla-Erynn(other than cutting it off at the root).

Layla "introduces" MC to Alexis at the Pizza place, before this point Alexis has nothing to talk about(and possibly isn't in speaking terms with Erynn).
Erynn also doesn't have much to say in terms of dating the MC, because there's no relationship going on.

Wether the MC has fucked Alexis or not is also a complicating factor, since it makes Erynn talking to Alexis about her happy dates with him a bit of taboo topic in my opinion.
Alexis also doesn't seem comfortable seeing him with Layla, not something she enjoys seeing or talking about.

I think after the photoshoot is the ideal spot, this is where Erynn-MC finally steps beyond "will they? won't they?", they hook up for real.
There are a couple of kisses before that, but would Erynn even mention anything to Alexis(besides the complicating factor that they might not be speaking to each other) before anything solid?
After the photoshoot, Erynn-Alexis-Iris go to the beach(without the MC), it seems like a good spot.
Btw, it also means that Erynn should also be a stopper to Iris... things just keep getting more complex

Other possible spot is after training camp, when Erynn sees Layla's panties, this one is earlier and cleaner.

TonyMurray and jadepaladin any ideas?

Leave the end of the club scene the way it is, we do not have enough experience with Erynn to form any sort of rational thought on her route that early on.

Introduce some additional scenes where Alexis talks about Layla and Erynn (obviously after dots are connected on who is who)

Sometime after the Moore dinner with Alexis/Adriana/Layla but before Erynn's photoshoot have Alexis confront the MC if she's noticed him getting flirty with Erynn and knows he's with Layla. Force a choice through Alexis giving an ultimatum, like she'll tell them both if you don't fix it.

 

[Alfred the Fallen]

If he had greeted her properly, gave her a long hug and said "Hey let's see each other tomorrow" Erynn would have been fine.

A proper greeting for Erynn would've been him telling her to fuck off and leave him alone.

The dude hasn't spoken to her in over five years, even though she tried to contact him several times, so there's really no reason for her to believe that she's entitled to a hug from him. Erynn is so arrogant and self-absorbed that she feels that she's been unfairly treated by him since he didn't immediately ditch his friends to spend time with her. She later storms over to his house uninvited and barges into his room while he's sleeping to lecture him. She's nuts, and the game never let's us acknowledge that.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

A proper greeting for Erynn would've been him telling her to fuck off and leave him alone.

The dude hasn't spoken to her in over five years, even though she tried to contact him several times, so there's really no reason for her to believe that she's entitled to a hug from him. Erynn is so arrogant and self-absorbed that she feels that she's been unfairly treated by him since he didn't immediately ditch his friends to spend time with her. She later storms over to his house uninvited and barges into his room while he's sleeping to lecture him. She's nuts, and the game never let's us acknowledge that.

Not that I'm the biggest Erynn fan, but isn't that a bit much?

 

[Justaphase]

I understand that the MC was caught by surprise, but he did dismiss her very hastily.
A "I want to continue this talk soon Erynn, but i need to go with them" would do the trick.

Right now Nyx it's not something that ends either girl paths, but NYx is thinking about changing this to kill one of the paths right away, we are talking about possible/better alternatives.



Thinking on how to handle Layla-Erynn(other than cutting it off at the root).

Layla "introduces" MC to Alexis at the Pizza place, before this point Alexis has nothing to talk about(and possibly isn't in speaking terms with Erynn).
Erynn also doesn't have much to say in terms of dating the MC, because there's no relationship going on.

Wether the MC has fucked Alexis or not is also a complicating factor, since it makes Erynn talking to Alexis about her happy dates with him a bit of taboo topic in my opinion.
Alexis also doesn't seem comfortable seeing him with Layla, not something she enjoys seeing or talking about.

I think after the photoshoot is the ideal spot, this is where Erynn-MC finally steps beyond "will they? won't they?", they hook up for real.
There are a couple of kisses before that, but would Erynn even mention anything to Alexis(besides the complicating factor that they might not be speaking to each other) before anything solid?
After the photoshoot, Erynn-Alexis-Iris go to the beach(without the MC), it seems like a good spot.
Btw, it also means that Erynn should also be a stopper to Iris... things just keep getting more complex

Other possible spot is after training camp, when Erynn sees Layla's panties, this one is earlier and cleaner.

TonyMurray and jadepaladin any ideas?

Ah right I missed the progress update, just read it now. I agree that it's harsh to close off either girl that early on. Nyx talks about it like there was no way she could have made an additional scene for Layla and Erynn where you are forced to choose.

A proper greeting for Erynn would've been him telling her to fuck off and leave him alone.

The dude hasn't spoken to her in over five years, even though she tried to contact him several times, so there's really no reason for her to believe that she's entitled to a hug from him. Erynn is so arrogant and self-absorbed that she feels that she's been unfairly treated by him since he didn't immediately ditch his friends to spend time with her. She later storms over to his house uninvited and barges into his room while he's sleeping to lecture him. She's nuts, and the game never let's us acknowledge that.

All based on a misunderstanding and the MC being a brat, not speaking to his childhood best friend. She deserved the chance to explain, he never gives her that and just moves away.
She doesn't know why the MC even stopped speaking to her, or what she even did wrong. She just missed him and wanted to see if they could reconnect by doing what I assume they did when they were younger and wake each other up in that way.

Let me guess, on all of your runs you've never given her the chance to explain either and ignore her and don't help her at every opportunity?

 

[Dessolos]

A proper greeting for Erynn would've been him telling her to fuck off and leave him alone.

The dude hasn't spoken to her in over five years, even though she tried to contact him several times, so there's really no reason for her to believe that she's entitled to a hug from him. Erynn is so arrogant and self-absorbed that she feels that she's been unfairly treated by him since he didn't immediately ditch his friends to spend time with her. She later storms over to his house uninvited and barges into his room while he's sleeping to lecture him. She's nuts, and the game never let's us acknowledge that.

can't agree with any of that. Since both Erynn and the MC is at fault for the entire thing but I would put most of the blame on the MC since he is too stubborn to even want to talk to her , no matter how much she tried. I think Erynn was unfairly treated by the MC because all she did was want to talk to him and try to make things right. But instead she is ghosted and ignored and the MC is suppose to be a good friend of hers. Yeah friends have falling out and this could of been just that but the fact he wouldn't even let her talk to him and try to apologize and just have a conversation makes the MC the worst offender in the whole situation imo. Not like Erynn did anything to betray him wasn't even that bad plus with him confessing his feeling in front of everyone wasn't a smart idea either.

I wouldn't even say Erynn is nuts either I think that is a stretch.

 

[LSC82]

Leave the end of the club scene the way it is, we do not have enough experience with Erynn to form any sort of rational thought on her route that early on.

Introduce some additional scenes where Alexis talks about Layla and Erynn (obviously after dots are connected on who is who)

Sometime after the Moore dinner with Alexis/Adriana/Layla but before Erynn's photoshoot have Alexis confront the MC if she's noticed him getting flirty with Erynn and knows he's with Layla. Force a choice through Alexis giving an ultimatum, like she'll tell them both if you don't fix it.

Agree that the club scene should be kept in the way it currently is, it's no place to make such a major decision.

That can work, after the "Spanish lesson" and after the Erynn-Ethan rescue, sounds like a decent spot where everyone is familiar with each other.
And i agree with Alexis handling it, if no choice is made hits the fan.

Ah right I missed the progress update, just read it now. I agree that it's harsh to close off either girl that early on. Nyx talks about it like there was no way she could have made an additional scene for Layla and Erynn where you are forced to choose.

I figured you were a little late on this one, no biggie

The problem is that she has already changed it on one of the other forced redo updates due to popular opinion, originally you had to choose to end either the Erynn path or the Layla (and by extension Elena) path. That was unpopular for the reasons that other people are talking about now, so she changed it so that the decision doesn't close a path. But now she's realised that by changing it it's created problems further along in the story, so she's changing it back in another update that already requires redos. Basically she is doing exactly what you are suggesting, twice.

so she is just an idiot then, gotcha Looking forward to another redo in an update or three I guess

She changed her original plans, basically agreeing that the original plans weren't great.

And after changing this... she simply forgot that she had to create plans on how to handle Erynn+Layla?
That's a masterpiece of planning.