VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[Justaphase]

I understand that the MC was caught by surprise, but he did dismiss her very hastily.
A "I want to continue this talk soon Erynn, but i need to go with them" would do the trick.

Right now Nyx it's not something that ends either girl paths, but NYx is thinking about changing this to kill one of the paths right away, we are talking about possible/better alternatives.



Thinking on how to handle Layla-Erynn(other than cutting it off at the root).

Layla "introduces" MC to Alexis at the Pizza place, before this point Alexis has nothing to talk about(and possibly isn't in speaking terms with Erynn).
Erynn also doesn't have much to say in terms of dating the MC, because there's no relationship going on.

Wether the MC has fucked Alexis or not is also a complicating factor, since it makes Erynn talking to Alexis about her happy dates with him a bit of taboo topic in my opinion.
Alexis also doesn't seem comfortable seeing him with Layla, not something she enjoys seeing or talking about.

I think after the photoshoot is the ideal spot, this is where Erynn-MC finally steps beyond "will they? won't they?", they hook up for real.
There are a couple of kisses before that, but would Erynn even mention anything to Alexis(besides the complicating factor that they might not be speaking to each other) before anything solid?
After the photoshoot, Erynn-Alexis-Iris go to the beach(without the MC), it seems like a good spot.
Btw, it also means that Erynn should also be a stopper to Iris... things just keep getting more complex

Other possible spot is after training camp, when Erynn sees Layla's panties, this one is earlier and cleaner.

TonyMurray and jadepaladin any ideas?

Ah right I missed the progress update, just read it now. I agree that it's harsh to close off either girl that early on. Nyx talks about it like there was no way she could have made an additional scene for Layla and Erynn where you are forced to choose.

A proper greeting for Erynn would've been him telling her to fuck off and leave him alone.

The dude hasn't spoken to her in over five years, even though she tried to contact him several times, so there's really no reason for her to believe that she's entitled to a hug from him. Erynn is so arrogant and self-absorbed that she feels that she's been unfairly treated by him since he didn't immediately ditch his friends to spend time with her. She later storms over to his house uninvited and barges into his room while he's sleeping to lecture him. She's nuts, and the game never let's us acknowledge that.

All based on a misunderstanding and the MC being a brat, not speaking to his childhood best friend. She deserved the chance to explain, he never gives her that and just moves away.
She doesn't know why the MC even stopped speaking to her, or what she even did wrong. She just missed him and wanted to see if they could reconnect by doing what I assume they did when they were younger and wake each other up in that way.

Let me guess, on all of your runs you've never given her the chance to explain either and ignore her and don't help her at every opportunity?

 

[Dessolos]

A proper greeting for Erynn would've been him telling her to fuck off and leave him alone.

The dude hasn't spoken to her in over five years, even though she tried to contact him several times, so there's really no reason for her to believe that she's entitled to a hug from him. Erynn is so arrogant and self-absorbed that she feels that she's been unfairly treated by him since he didn't immediately ditch his friends to spend time with her. She later storms over to his house uninvited and barges into his room while he's sleeping to lecture him. She's nuts, and the game never let's us acknowledge that.

can't agree with any of that. Since both Erynn and the MC is at fault for the entire thing but I would put most of the blame on the MC since he is too stubborn to even want to talk to her , no matter how much she tried. I think Erynn was unfairly treated by the MC because all she did was want to talk to him and try to make things right. But instead she is ghosted and ignored and the MC is suppose to be a good friend of hers. Yeah friends have falling out and this could of been just that but the fact he wouldn't even let her talk to him and try to apologize and just have a conversation makes the MC the worst offender in the whole situation imo. Not like Erynn did anything to betray him wasn't even that bad plus with him confessing his feeling in front of everyone wasn't a smart idea either.

I wouldn't even say Erynn is nuts either I think that is a stretch.

 

[LSC82]

Leave the end of the club scene the way it is, we do not have enough experience with Erynn to form any sort of rational thought on her route that early on.

Introduce some additional scenes where Alexis talks about Layla and Erynn (obviously after dots are connected on who is who)

Sometime after the Moore dinner with Alexis/Adriana/Layla but before Erynn's photoshoot have Alexis confront the MC if she's noticed him getting flirty with Erynn and knows he's with Layla. Force a choice through Alexis giving an ultimatum, like she'll tell them both if you don't fix it.

Agree that the club scene should be kept in the way it currently is, it's no place to make such a major decision.

That can work, after the "Spanish lesson" and after the Erynn-Ethan rescue, sounds like a decent spot where everyone is familiar with each other.
And i agree with Alexis handling it, if no choice is made hits the fan.

Ah right I missed the progress update, just read it now. I agree that it's harsh to close off either girl that early on. Nyx talks about it like there was no way she could have made an additional scene for Layla and Erynn where you are forced to choose.

I figured you were a little late on this one, no biggie

The problem is that she has already changed it on one of the other forced redo updates due to popular opinion, originally you had to choose to end either the Erynn path or the Layla (and by extension Elena) path. That was unpopular for the reasons that other people are talking about now, so she changed it so that the decision doesn't close a path. But now she's realised that by changing it it's created problems further along in the story, so she's changing it back in another update that already requires redos. Basically she is doing exactly what you are suggesting, twice.

so she is just an idiot then, gotcha Looking forward to another redo in an update or three I guess

She changed her original plans, basically agreeing that the original plans weren't great.

And after changing this... she simply forgot that she had to create plans on how to handle Erynn+Layla?
That's a masterpiece of planning.

 

[JeSinclair]

A proper greeting for Erynn would've been him telling her to fuck off and leave him alone.

Damn man, I'm not an Erynn fanboy like some here and that's a bit over the line.
MC is more at fault for schism in relationship.

Somewhere else, someone wrote about Alexis being the conduit to end Layla-Erynn path later in the game. That's a spot on idea and gives Lexi more gravitas in the story for good(protecting sister or reclaimed best friend depending on how it's played.)

 

[DIKHammer]

I feel like a winner but also a loser at the same time, because now I need to wash my eyes with bleach.

We all lost after seeing that

 

[bananabrown]

Erynn asks the MC if he's happy to be back home after hearing about Riverside and Nikki/Cara.

I think this would be a much better place to end a path. It doesn't matter how the MC answers, but right afterwards while on topic Erynn could bring up Layla and Elena and the MC could answer. "Just friends from school" ending the Layla path or "talk more about Layla" ending the Erynn path.

 

[MrDude1977]

can't agree with any of that. Since both Erynn and the MC is at fault for the entire thing but I would put most of the blame on the MC since he is too stubborn to even want to talk to her , no matter how much she tried. I think Erynn was unfairly treated by the MC because all she did was want to talk to him and try to make things right. But instead she is ghosted and ignored and the MC is suppose to be a good friend of hers. Yeah friends have falling out and this could of been just that but the fact he wouldn't even let her talk to him and try to apologize and just have a conversation makes the MC the worst offender in the whole situation imo. Not like Erynn did anything to betray him wasn't even that bad plus with him confessing his feeling in front of everyone wasn't a smart idea either.

I wouldn't even say Erynn is nuts either I think that is a stretch.

I wouldn't say most of the blame on MC i would say equal. I mean yeah what you said is true but think for a min. Dude was like 13. What he saw was the girl he likes and just confessed to walk off and start laughing with her friends, when she should have said something right then, like can we talk more about this later? Sure she was stunned but so was he when she started laughing with her friends just mins after being confessed to and not answering him.

 

[Dessolos]

Erynn asks the MC if he's happy to be back home after hearing about Riverside and Nikki/Cara.

I think this would be a much better place to end a path. It doesn't matter how the MC answers, but right afterwards while on topic Erynn could bring up Layla and Elena and the MC could answer. "Just friends from school" ending the Layla path or "talk more about Layla" ending the Erynn path.

I still think is too soon at least if you think about from a new players pov. At that point on my first playthrough I had no idea if I liked Erynn or not. at that point I was still Team Layla on my first PT wasn't until much later I realized Layla wasn't for me

I wouldn't say most of the blame on MC i would say equal. I mean yeah what you said is true but think for a min. Dude was like 13. What he saw was the girl he likes and just confessed to walk off and start laughing with her friends, when she should have said something right then, like can we talk more about this later? Sure she was stunned but so was he when she started laughing with her friends just mins after being confessed to and not answering him.

only reason I put most of the blame on the MC was not for the initial situation but how he ignored her and didn't read any of her letters despite her many attempts to have a conversation. I can understand not wanting to see her that first day. But then h e goes to ignore her for weeks and has no contact since then that's when I shift the blame. I mean yeah granted he is 13 and his parents should of known something is up especially with how Erynn went over to Emily to try to talk to him and made them have a talk at least once before he left.

 

[jadepaladin]

Hot take, possibly: Confronting Erynn and getting the true story of what happened should be forced, with the avenue to get on/off her route happening soon afterwards, keeping the slow burn in place since she's not just gonna jump into the sack with you.

 

[anonnyscouse]

Emily and Mel should both share some of the blame as well as MC and Erynn. They were the mature adults, Emily should have realised MC started going off the rails after the incident, even if she didn't know what happened then she knew Erynn has come over to try and talk to MC and that despite Erynn's near constant presence in their house before the incident she hadn't been there with MC since that day. Likewise Mel should have noticed Erynn getting upset about MC not talking to her and realised the reason even if Erynn doesn't tell her specifically, because she'd have been used to MC always being around and then suddenly he isn't, and Mel should've talked to Emily about it and between them they should have mediated between the kids and fixed their friendship.

 

[Jarulf]

Someone should write the Lay of Laylena.

Off to bed now.

 

[LSC82]

Hot take, possibly: Confronting Erynn and getting the true story of what happened should be forced, with the avenue to get on/off her route happening soon afterwards, keeping the slow burn in place since she's not just gonna jump into the sack with you.

That's not bad, but this solves only Erynn's side of the equation(Erynn has enough "keep things friendly" options like refusing the photoshoot).
Getting rid of Layla without it being random or forced is where the game gives us nothing.

 

[Dessolos]

Hot take, possibly: Confronting Erynn and getting the true story of what happened should be forced, with the avenue to get on/off her route happening soon afterwards, keeping the slow burn in place since she's not just gonna jump into the sack with you.

lmfao I was in the shower and I was just thinking there should be a choice to storm off and not listen to Erynn's side of things and ending her path or after her story either or and one to stay and talk after hearing it

That's not bad, but this solves only Erynn's side of the equation(Erynn has enough "keep things friendly" options like refusing the photoshoot).
Getting rid of Layla without it being random or forced is where the game gives us nothing.

Easily solution at the pizzera order a pineapple pizza thus she no longer is interested in the MC

 

[jadepaladin]

lmfao I was in the shower and I was just thinking there should be a choice to storm off and not listen to Erynn's side of things and ending her path or after her story either or and one to stay and talk after hearing it

I'm more concerned with why you're thinking about this AVN in the shower.

 

[Justaphase]

Why not simply write an upcoming scene where a fuckboy MC who has been dating both, gets found out and confronted?
This is what I thought we were building to all along, not that Nyx had simply "forgotten" that you can date both Erynn and Layla at the same time without consequence.

 

[Dessolos]

I'm more concerned with why you're thinking about this AVN in the shower.

lol no I was not thinking like that was simply thinking about the progress update as I read it right before lol but that is also when I let my mind wonder and think about random things why a shower can take me like 30min - 45min

 

[jadepaladin]

Why not simply write an upcoming scene where a fuckboy MC who has been dating both, gets found out and confronted?
This is what I thought we were building to all along, not that Nyx had simply "forgotten" that you can date both Erynn and Layla at the same time without consequence.

Erynn grabs one arm, Layla the other, Val kicks him in the nuts and leaves him in that alley where Rachel's body gets dumped on him.

 

[Justaphase]

lol no I was not thinking like that was simply thinking about the progress update as I read it right before lol but that is also when I let my mind wonder and think about random things why a shower can take me like 30min - 45min

Don't lie Des you were in the shower like the MC was after the photoshoot with her. "Oh Erynn, ERYNN!" Nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[jadepaladin]

lol no I was not thinking like that was simply thinking about the progress update as I read it right before lol but that is also when I let my mind wonder and think about random things why a shower can take me like 30min - 45min

Wait you got into the shower suspiciously close to when that one render of Zach was posted.

 

[Dessolos]

Wait you got into the shower suspiciously close to when that one render of Zach was posted.

I forgot about that I wiped it from my memory thanks for the reminder.