VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[Maviarab]

So in going over some of that part of the story (Erynn confession to MC, and the aftermath of learning about Ethan blackmail)

I have come to the realization, that Erynn and Zane had sex *prior* to prom(that is how Ethan got his meat-hooks into her).
For whatever reason, I blanked on the when the sex took place.

Question: Prom is not defined here, but I thought it was said to be senior prom. That technically means everyone is around 17. Does that then count as underage sex in the game?
I think that was why some of the Iris dialogue got changed, so it no longer appears to be underage sex with Iris and MC.

If it IS underage sex, then my stance on Erynn shifts slightly more in her favor, as most females are still very uncomfortable with their bodies and it would be an embarrassment/betrayal of a whole other order because of that, and to top it off its her virginity on tape.

Anyone having their virginity on tape(without consent) would be deeply traumatized, but more-so if it was underage.

You are correct. it was before prom...it's the tape Ethan used to blackmail into going to prom with him.

So yes, Ethan, conveniently (or because Nyx just stupid and obstinate), most likely, actually has a sex tape, of Erynn, as a minor (not underage, but a minor, so Ethan has a ** tape lol), losing her virginity. However, we do not know exactly when she turned 18, exactly how far before the end of the school year was (prom) etc etc. Important to note, kids have sex. Even in the arcaic backwards US of A, only 18 states have an AOC higher than 16.

However, given the timing and that Ethan used it to make her go to prom with him, it has to have been close to the end of the school year. The more you disect it and analyse, the more absurd and stupid the whole thing becomes.

You are also mostly correct, why the MC's age was changed as Nyx was too obstinate to remove the Iris sex scene. She denies and denies and refuses to accept responsibility...but originally, that scene was illegal in the eyes of the law pretty much all around the world as the MC was under 18 originally. I don't care what Nyx wants to make of it and still refuse to say she was wrong and blame folk like me instead, you cannot show a minor in a sexual situation (even if just animated, and her own damn script proved he was a minor).

(and to reiterate, or clarify for some), this is why Steam dislike 'high school' games. For the vast majority of pupils, there is a very, very, very small window of time (3 months approx) of someone being 18 and still being in high school. Why this will never, ever be on Steam. July, August and September are the highest birth months in the USA over the last 30 years....so statistically, the likelihood of being in 'high' school and being 18 is very, very slim).

 

[DIKHammer]

So in going over some of that part of the story (Erynn confession to MC, and the aftermath of learning about Ethan blackmail)

I have come to the realization, that Erynn and Zane had sex *prior* to prom(that is how Ethan got his meat-hooks into her).
For whatever reason, I blanked on the when the sex took place.

Question: Prom is not defined here, but I thought it was said to be senior prom. That technically means everyone is around 17. Does that then count as underage sex in the game?
I think that was why some of the Iris dialogue got changed, so it no longer appears to be underage sex with Iris and MC.

If it IS underage sex, then my stance on Erynn shifts slightly more in her favor, as most females are still very uncomfortable with their bodies and it would be an embarrassment/betrayal of a whole other order because of that, and to top it off its her virginity on tape.

Anyone having their virginity on tape(without consent) would be deeply traumatized, but more-so if it was underage.

you know some people turn 18 and are still in high school..... if they were both 18 then no underage here

 

[JeSinclair]

You are correect. it was before prom...it's the tape Ethan used to blackmail into going to prom with him.

So yes, Ethan, conveniently (or because Nyx just stupid and obstinate), most likely, actually has a sex tape, of Erynn, as a minor (not underage, but a minor, so Ethan has a ** tape lol), losing her virginity. However, we do not know exactly when she turned 18, exactly how far before the end of the school year was (prom) etc etc. Important to note, kmids have sex. Even in the arcaic backwards US of A, only 18 states have an AOC higher than 16.

However, given the timing and that Ethan used it to make her go to prom with him, it has to have been close to the end of the school year. The more you disect it and analyse, the more absurd and stupid the whole thing becomes.

(and to reiterate, or clarify for some), this is why Steam dislike 'high school' games. For the vast majority of pupils, there is a very, very, very small window of time (3 months approx) of someone being 18 and still being in high school. Why this will never, ever be on Steam).

Appreciate the clarification. Thanks!

 

[JeSinclair]

you know some people turn 18 and are still in high school..... if they were both 18 then no underage here

Trying to get my head around the age thing because a consenting adult (of age) having sex but being recorded without consent would have a very different legal ramification if it's someone underage having sex and being recorded without consent.
The second scenario would also have to include if the sexual partner is also of age or underage.

And yes, I'm basing on US laws as in game I don't recall if the city of Madison Spring is based in US or another country.

 

[MightbeSomeone]

So? She still has the right to have other friends, even if the MC dislikes them.
The MC has the right to tell her about it, in a reasonable manner, and act on her decision(if she decides to keep him as a friend after he explains it to her).
But he's in no position to make demands, the guy has stonewalled this person for 5 years, what right he has to come acting pissed off and start demanding answers? Like he sometimes does.

Would you open a conversation with someone you haven't talked in a long time(and is trying to reconnect) with "by the way Ethan has been blackmailing me, remember him?"
It's also clear from her scenes that Erynn wanted to tell the MC about her situation before she actually did(according to the apartment "sleep talk" she wanted to do it from day 1), it's just a difficult conversation for her, why no one else knows.

First she needed to reestablish some level of friendship and trust with this person, she wants to reconnect, but doesn't know if it'll work, he may have changed, he may still have resentment for her... she can't come around and "trauma dump" on him straight off the bat.
It doesn't take her that much time to reveal her problem, despite that fact that meetings keep going "not as planned".
They keep getting cut short... the MC sometimes leaving her apartment and conversations going in different directions then what she intended.
She meant to say something in the park but the MC wanted to talk(very agressively) about the event from 5 years ago, and then left before she could continue.
And that was what, one week (and not that many talks) after they ran into each other at the club?




Or you could understand when MC/you may have gone too far and fucked up(does it ever happen?), and show some basic common sense.
I disagree that the story is about the MC(despite by default we calling him the MC, player character would be more accurate, or even POV character), without the girls the story is just "he goes to school, he comes back home", he's important in how he intersects with the girls story.

If the MC wants Erynn to do something/cut Ethan off, he needs to explain it to her, not simply hope she "gets it" out of nowhere(against the odds, she does get it btw).
From what we know she never witnessed any physical abuse, just some examples of mockery/hazing.
Just like you expected Erynn to tell him about her plight, he needs to come out, with words, and explain it to her and understand he's in no position to make demands.


She does know that he's not ok with it, despite the fact that he never told her anything.
And she would love nothing more than to cut Ethan off, but she can't.



Then you don't understand anything about her story...
Erynn is clearly not in a good place when the game starts, it's reconnecting with the MC that inspires her to fight back and helps her grow, and in doing that a relationship might blossom.

We don't get what we want with characters/people/friends we take them for who they are and we help them along their journey through life, with our friendship and our love.
I think it's sad that you don't wanna help(you are embodying the MC right?) a loved one grow and deal with her problems.

Despite that i hope someone else shows up to help you grow.
Start by being less judgemental and finger pointy when someone isn't "what you want" maybe? Free tip


MY MAN!!!

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Ethan is not a friend to her.

 

[Malicre]

brunettes > redheads > blondes



Yes you saw that right, i didn't rank redheads last.

 

[Maviarab]

you know some people turn 18 and are still in high school..... if they were both 18 then no underage here

July, August and September are the highest birth months in the USA over the last 30 years....so statistically, the likelihood of being in 'high' school and being 18 is very slim. Given generally high school finishes in may/June, too far out of the slim window to be a8 and in high school..you'd either be in the year below or already finished and left as you'd have been in the year above.

All these adult games where every single girl (and the mc) are 18 and still in school is quite frankly, ridiculous.

 

[DIKHammer]

July, August and September are the highest birth months in the USA over the last 30 years....so statistically, the likelihood of being in 'high' school and being 18 is very slim.

Guess my class was odd then or something, lot of them 18 while in High School

 

[Maviarab]

Guess my class was odd then or something, lot of them 18 while in High School

Of course it was.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

July, August and September are the highest birth months in the USA over the last 30 years....so statistically, the likelihood of being in 'high' school and being 18 is very slim.

Regardless that's cutting it super close. So yea now we possibly have Ethan in possession of underage pornography. Even if Erryn was too close to the situation, somebody else should've easily been able to advise Erryn on that.
When MC stole his phone, he should've turned himself in and see if Ethan has the balls to claim said phone knowing whats on it.

 

[LSC82]

Alexis ain't in love with shit, she's still in the lust phase. Hence why their relationship is so all or nothing. Layla I'll give you. Iris, Im not so sure about.
Erryn might not be in the banging stage yet, but she def loves the MC and other than maybe Layla is the only one that wants to see MC happy regardless of whether or not its with her

Iris wants him to be happy, she prefers if he chooses to be happy with her(obviously), still she's even willing to step back in the name of not ruining his relationship to Alexis.

On some others, Elena truly fell in love with the MC but is split between him and Layla.
Val is more new girl, meeting new guy, something might be blossoming here but they are still playing with their cards close to their chest.

I'm confused: how is he an asshole for speaking his mind here and getting to the bottom of what really happened 5 years prior?
Asshole for not doing it sooner, agreed 100%. Probably the same for not just getting the elephant out of the way sooner too.

Asshole for the aggressive way he did it, he was wrong for coming at her like that.
I'll reiterate, it's good that he spoke his mind, but his agressiveness in that scene was in the wrong.

That's not the point of contention. Its her continued relationship with Ethan while trying to rekindle the friendship with MC, AND knowing it will come out, but delaying when it does.
But you are correct on one thing:you did allude to Erynn trying to get it out sooner, and during my replay of the scene from the past and the aftermath, i see the dialogue there so I stand corrected on that.

She has no relationship with Ethan other than a work relationship under coercion, which she wants to end but hasn't been able to.
Again she's trying to get it out as soon as she can, but she's meeting him for the first time in years and can't just dump her shit on him straight off the bat.

I respectfully, disagree.
I don't judge Erynn the character - but I hold her accountable for the bad choice, which while many people would probably make the same mistake, it never turns out well.

As the MC states:
MC : "How do you know for sure that he really has a video if you didn't see it?"
Erynn: "..."
MC: "Erynn, seriously. You are one of the smartest people I know, I'm sorry but that's pretty dumb!"
MC: "For fuck sake... you know he can't be trusted..."

Now we as players know the video is real and out there. But at this point, she didn't. She did exactly what MC does: assume.
That assumption is what I hold accountable. Just as we hold MC accountable for being a massive prick with 5 years of no contact based on an assumption.

Her assumption has kept her a victim.

Not watching the tape?
Was she a little innocent, yeah sure... But sometimes there's enough evidence in something that you know you are screwed, even before seeing physical proof.
If he comes at her and says "you had sex with Zane, in this place, on this day, at this hour... and i have it on tape", i would believe him even without before seeing the physical evidence.

She's in trouble when the game starts, this why she needs help.
If she had handled her problems before the start of the game, she would be happy, maybe in a relationship... a completely different story.
I take the story as it is, not keep wishing with a infinite amount of "Coulda/Shoulda done that" that the story was something else entirely... either you play the story as it is or you fuck off, it's this simple.

She didn't solve the problem right away, she let it fester and now she needs help... What will i do for this friend? A friend that only shows me love and care...
I'll absolutely, 100%, provide all the help i can to help my friend be happy, without any reservations.
What i won't do is keep picking apart her past mistakes and condemning her for them.
Mistakes that only hurt her btw.

I've avoided playing one thing against the other so far... but now i can't anymore.

You've forgiven Alexis for her mistake, one that could've harmed her friend, the guy she loves and his relationships(and as "embodyment of the MC" you are suppoused to have some level of concern for his friends).
And you told me you could do it because "it came from a place of love".
Yet you said you can't trust Erynn despite the fact that she's time and time again showed that she's full of love for the MC and never ever means him any harm, even considers bowing down to Ethan's demands to keep him safe.

Why can't you let go of Erynn's mistakes and "fragility"? Why must you pick apart what she did or didnt do? What she could have done? Why not enjoy helping her grow? Why not forgive her mistakes(that didn't even harm you) and build something new? Why you think she "must do it alone"?

And yeah, it does look hypocritical.

And LSC82 I have thoroughly enjoyed our conversations.
Your loyalty to Erynn is commendable. You'd be a hell of a friend.

I honestly don't, i don't think this is a good conversation, i feel like i'm going in circles... and i already spent waaaaay too much time in it.
I think there's a fundamental difference in how i see friendships and the world and the way you do and we'll never see eye to eye.

It's unfortunate, but those are my honest feelings.

Ethan is not a friend to her.

Oh he absolutely isn't.
I was just saying that if Erynn wanted to friends with Ethan(for whatever fucked up reason, because she believes the hazing wasn't so bad, he "grew" as a person...) she would be within her rights.

Then the MC would be able to make a choice in response.

But they aren't friends and this is all a moot point.

 

[Dessolos]

To change things up for a second. I don't know how to use URM to edit text like ive seen others do. But when the MC answers the Phone during this part I lowkey wanted to edit it to say Slexi instead. so that's how I read it when I played this scene in the update

 

[BCGuy]

I downloaded v14.0, but didn't play it yet. Is it worth downloading 14.1 or just go with 14.0?

 

[jugadorange]

Hola, les cuento que cuando veo la escena de sexo de Gaby, al llegar al final, el juego se congela y se cierra. Esto no ocurre con las demás escenas. ¿Alguna idea de cómo puedo solucionarlo? Espero su respuesta. Gracias.

 

[Justaphase]

I downloaded v14.0, but didn't play it yet. Is it worth downloading 14.1 or just go with 14.0?

It contains bug fixes so yes. But don't download the whole game again, just download the update patch only and install it.

 

[Sweet Force]

Hola, les cuento que cuando veo la escena de sexo de Gaby, al llegar al final, el juego se congela y se cierra. Esto no ocurre con las demás escenas. ¿Alguna idea de cómo puedo solucionarlo? Espero su respuesta. Gracias.

Por reglas del foro no deberías escribir en español, ni siquiera en el español extraño de traductor de google que Nyx piensa que hablan los latinos. La proxima vez escribelo en inglés por favor, y sobre tu problema, muchas veces los juegos fallan cuando le ponen traducciones o modificaciones, le pusiste algún mod?.

According to forum rules, you shouldn't post in spanish, not even in the strange Google Translate spanish that Nyx thinks Latinos speak. Next time, please write in English. And about your problem, games often crash when you add translations or modifications. Did you add any mods?

 

[NadaMucho]

Guess my class was odd then or something, lot of them 18 while in High School

Almost all of the students in my high school graduating class were 18. My parents started me a year early so I was one of the only 17 year olds that year.

 

[Adhdclassic]

July, August and September are the highest birth months in the USA over the last 30 years....so statistically, the likelihood of being in 'high' school and being 18 is very slim. Given generally high school finishes in may/June, too far out of the slim window to be a8 and in high school..you'd either be in the year below or already finished and left as you'd have been in the year above.

All these adult games where every single girl (and the mc) are 18 and still in school is quite frankly, ridiculous.

I don't know these kids nowadays are pretty stupid.

 

[MiltonPowers]

I don't know these kids nowadays are pretty stupid.

You've only got a pick a random page on F95 to know that. Any thread - any page and your supposition will be confirmed.

 

[jugadorange]

Por reglas del foro no deberías escribir en español, ni siquiera en el español extraño de traductor de google que Nyx piensa que hablan los latinos. La proxima vez escribelo en inglés por favor, y sobre tu problema, muchas veces los juegos fallan cuando le ponen traducciones o modificaciones, le pusiste algún mod?.

According to forum rules, you shouldn't post in spanish, not even in the strange Google Translate spanish that Nyx thinks Latinos speak. Next time, please write in English. And about your problem, games often crash when you add translations or modifications. Did you add any mods?

No, I don't use mods. Oh, and sorry about the Spanish. It was Google's automatic translator.