VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[LSC82]

MC doesn't start warming up to Erynn until after she wakes him up, everything prior to that screams avoidance and resentment.

If MC told Mel that he didn't want to see Erynn and she was the reason he left, she'd straight up tell Erynn he was back, which he wasn't ready for, or even sure he wanted.

You can chose to stay with her, and have a nice conversation right away... that's on you, how you play the character.
His initial reaction can be put down to having a "dear in the headlights" moment, he saw Erynn and didn't know how to react at that moment.
The way i see things he was split between wanting to be friends again and his resentment... all the way until the park conversation.

I was referring to the fact that if you go running with Layla instead of going out with Lexi you can continue Erynn's route in parallel with Lexi's

I think you are wrong here...

It goes:
Ethan rescue> Talk about Alexis or not...
If you chose to tell Erynn things stop immediately.
If you don't... blueballs scene
There's almost sex, but she doesn't know you are still seeing Alexis(because you decided not to say anything).

After that we have Alexis date or Layla training, by chosing Layla training you avoid Erynn+Alexis meeting at your place, nothing happens here, she just drives you to school.
Next meeting is after TC when Erynn stops by... if you haven't mentioned Alexis before the MC does it here automatically... all Erynn scenes going forward became their toned down versions.

Now, Erynn is, or can be depending on playstyle, secretly still in love with the MC... but she hasn't done anything that actively crosses the line into cheating on her friend.

 

[klas182]

Damn, I come here and I see again that people hate Alexis... You act like the other girls are perfect and they're the little angels and Lexi is the evil one... She's not perfect, but if you're always complaining about her fucking poorly written introduction, then this character really isn't for you... And you always forget why Nyx wrote her like that, because she had other plans for Alexis. But she reacted too late to rewrite the beginning... Or did you catch me halfway through the game? Hello, all the "hurt" characters are over it, Erynn is a good friend again. Get over it and choose an "angel" you can be happy with... Don't get me wrong, everyone can have their own opinion, but I don't like fanatical hatred either...

What disappointed me most about Erynn was the fact that despite Ethan blackmailing her, she still naively thinks that he will let her fulfill her dream of becoming a teacher even though she knows it will never happen. Despite her friends' attempts to help her, she gives up and lets Ethan win instead of trying to fix it. In this way, she disappointed me both as a friend and as a potential girlfriend.

 

[ffive]

But at this point in the game the MC still isn't making very sound choices when his emotions are involved.

This is probably overly generous. Nevermind cutting off and completely stonewalling Erynn because of what the well-known dipshit Ethan told him, the whole setup that's "MC refuses to speak to his own mother for five years because he found new friends at the new place that he likes, so he pretends to his mom he's still pissed off at her" is such "...dude, what" it makes even Alexis reasonable and selfless paragon of sanity and virtue in comparison.

 

[byaaahh]

You can chose to stay with her, and have a nice conversation right away... that's on you, how you play the character.
His initial reaction can be put down to having a "dear in the headlights" moment, he saw Erynn and didn't know how to react at that moment.
The way i see things he was split between wanting to be friends again and his resentment... all the way until the park conversation.

I mean obviously he's going to be more open to reconciliation if you choose to go along her path...

But after yesterdays discussion about Alexis ditching taking Erynn to take MC to the concert being a dick move because they're friends, doesn't that also extend to MC abandoning a wasted Layla and Elena to catch up with Erynn?

 

[Alfred the Fallen]

What hint?

Five years of no contact despite her repeatedly trying to get in touch with him.

I don't think there could possibly be a bigger hint than that.

he wanted to surprise her

No he didn't. He wanted to avoid her but didn't want the awkward conversation with Melissa of explaining that he can't stand her kid. It was a white lie to spare Melissa's feelings.

Erynn is pushy after finding out her friend is back in town

He's not her friend. He has deliberately avoided her for the past five years. He is still actively avoiding her when she spots him out with his actual friends that he chooses to be with.

 

[ffive]

But after yesterdays discussion about Alexis ditching taking Erynn to take MC to the concert being a dick move because they're friends, doesn't that also extend to MC abandoning a wasted Layla and Elena to catch up with Erynn?

Mind you though, with this setup choosing to assist your friends instead of going with Erynn doesn't automatically mean the MC is dead set against contacting Erynn ever again and it shouldn't be imo presented as any kind of a sign/proof of such. It can be very well just a case of really bad timing for their first meeting and talk.

(this is also why i feel the planned change which supposedly will block Erynn's romance if you choose to go with Layla and Elena is a bad call. Requiring MC to act like an ass just so you don't sink any chance for romance with a character is srsly pretty poor requirement)

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

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Layla twatblocks Elena all the time.

By this standard Erynn is a worse person since she pushes Lexi to hit on him even though MC is with Layla or tries to sleep with MC even though she knows he is with Lexi.

Erynn's problematic too, but at lest she's not fucking over her best friend in the process. When is she trying to fuck MC when she knows he's with Alexis? Dont remember that scene.

Well then, maybe Erynn should take the fucking hint and realize that the guy who has refused to talk to her for the past five years doesn't want anything to do with her? The MC even asked Melissa not to tell Erynn that he was back in town. And yet this crazy stalker bitch thinks she has the right to burst into his bedroom while he's sleeping and pretend that they are great friends, as if she hadn't ruined their friendship years ago by choosing the MC's childhood bully over him.

And let's all be honest here. If the ever MC meant anything to Erynn, she would've stopped hanging out with Ethan the instant she found out he was bullying the MC. But she didn't. She keep hanging out with Ethan every day, even choosing to spent time with Ethan on the MC's 13th birthday, where it all came to a head. So let's stop indulging Erynn's delusions that she somehow cares about the MC, when in reality she just wants a white knight to ride in and save her from her own problems. A grown adult having romantic fantasies about someone they last saw when that person was a thirteen year old kid is fucking weird.

Alexis had every right to hide the MC from Erynn if for no other reason than she just didn't want to deal with Erynn's crazy nujob behaviour. I don't know why she's even friends with Erynn at all. Erynn is even willing to believe that Alexis slept with Ethan, so she clearly doesn't have any respect for Alexis.

Then MC shouldve manned up and told her at the club that he didnt want to see her. Notice how if MC ignores her, she returns the favor in game? Instead he acted like a child and played hide and go fuck yourself until she met him at the club. Not sure how thats stalker behavior.
If Alexis felt that way, she shouldve stood on business, yet she didnt. She chose to act like a crazy sitcom female playing both sides until she was caught.

I mean obviously he's going to be more open to reconciliation if you choose to go along her path...

But after yesterdays discussion about Alexis ditching taking Erynn to take MC to the concert being a dick move because they're friends, doesn't that also extend to MC abandoning a wasted Layla and Elena to catch up with Erynn?

Normally I would disagree because Layla gave him the ok and she was with Elena, but she was also with Zach , so yea, dick move.

 

[klas182]

Five years of no contact despite her repeatedly trying to get in touch with him.

I don't think there could possibly be a bigger hint than that.



No he didn't. He wanted to avoid her but didn't want the awkward conversation with Melissa of explaining that he can't stand her kid. It was a white lie to spare Melissa's feelings.



He's not her friend. He has deliberately avoided her for the past five years. He is still actively avoiding her when she spots him out with his actual friends that he chooses to be with.

That's because he had to make new friends, if Erynn had any sense she would have gone with mc and talked to him about it. Instead she stayed at the bar with her friend and didn't even bother to prove mc wrong about her and that she still cared about him, so mc had no reason to ditch his friends just so she could talk to him.

 

[ffive]

Five years of no contact despite her repeatedly trying to get in touch with him.

I don't think there could possibly be a bigger hint than that.

MC also keeps no contact with his own mother for the same five years, despite her repeatedly trying to get in touch with him.

Then as soon as his father's new marriage inconveniences him he's all like, "ohai mommy dearest".

I wouldn't put all that much stock in MC's choices whether to keep in touch with people actually signifying much.

As for what could be a bigger hint? Actually telling Erynn that he doesn't want to have anything to do with her because she mocked him in front of his friends. Which would funnily enough nip in the bud this whole nonsense and save him crying how stupid he was and how much of time with his beloved friend Erynn he missed out on, once the truth actually comes out.

 

[Acsuka]

Please continue...

 

[LSC82]

I mean obviously he's going to be more open to reconciliation if you choose to go along her path...

But after yesterdays discussion about Alexis ditching taking Erynn to take MC to the concert being a dick move because they're friends, doesn't that also extend to MC abandoning a wasted Layla and Elena to catch up with Erynn?

I don't get me wrong staying with Layla is the call i would make in that situation(i think this is a flawed comparison, which i'll adress later).
That place is extremely bad for a "who do you prefer Layla or Erynn?" choice.
And you end up talking to her after one sleep anyways...

But ultimately the game from the start presents this thing(in regards to Erynn), resentment or friendship? Which side will win? And it gives you choices.
If that is your choice you can hold on to resentment and cut things off with Erynn completely.
If you want you can make up with her and be friends.
And after reestablishing friendship you get a choice to enter a relationship or not.

Now as to why that's a flawed comparison...
Alexis deliberately deceived her friend in canceling the concert, she had hidden intentions.
Intentions that could cause harm to her friendship and to the guy she's taking on the date.

Staying with Erynn after the club is a "hey Layla is it ok if i stay here?", i still think it's the wrong call, but the cards are on the table and there is honesty.

He's not her friend. He has deliberately avoided her for the past five years. He is still actively avoiding her when she spots him out with his actual friends that he chooses to be with.

Luckly the game allows you to play as a resentful little cunt, knock yourself out

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[MilesEdgeworth]

MC also keeps no contact with his own mother for the same five years, despite her repeatedly trying to get in touch with him.

Then as soon as his father's new marriage inconveniences him he's all like, "ohai mommy dearest".

I wouldn't put all that much stock in MC's choices whether to keep in touch with people actually signifying much.

As for what could be a bigger hint? Actually telling Erynn that he doesn't want to have anything to do with her because she mocked him in front of his friends. Which would funnily enough nip in the bud this whole nonsense and save him crying how stupid he was and how much of time with his beloved friend Erynn he missed out on, once the truth actually comes out.

MC keeping a conversation with Erynn that shouldve been private, private wouldve avoided this mess. I get it needed to happen for the game to happen, but yeah, that love declaration in front of everybody did nobody any favors. Also MC really needs to stop running off when things don't go his way.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Layla twatblocks Elena all the time.

You taught me a new word today. Thanks.

Also MC really needs to stop running off when things don't go his way.

Later in the game MC actually learns this and applies it to his decision-making (at least on some of my paths). I saw this after he has the major blow-up with Emily over the "who's yer daddy?" incident.

 

[Acsuka]

You started this yesterday didn't you

 

[LSC82]

Mind you though, with this setup choosing to assist your friends instead of going with Erynn doesn't automatically mean the MC is dead set against contacting Erynn ever again and it shouldn't be imo presented as any kind of a sign/proof of such. It can be very well just a case of really bad timing for their first meeting and talk.

(this is also why i feel the planned change which supposedly will block Erynn's romance if you choose to go with Layla and Elena is a bad call. Requiring MC to act like an ass just so you don't sink any chance for romance with a character is srsly pretty poor requirement)

The game spells things out for us in the bedroom morning.
Erynn and MC hug(regardless if you stayed with Erynn or went with Layla) and his mind goes between his resentment and wanting to be friends again... He was always split between these 2 things.
The resentment doesn't fully disappear until they have their conversation in the park a few chapters later, that's the point when you fully decide for friendship... or to keep nurturing your resentment, the game does offer you this choice.

And yeah, putting the Layla or Erynn choice there is so bad...

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[Acsuka]

 

[Dessolos]

haha I knew it was gonna be a Erynn hate day when I saw Alfred's name never seen a post by them that wasn't Erynn hate. I think it's funny most of the time when I see Erynn hate post they are almost always too harsh or not very understanding considering they were kids ( before the age up) whenever everything went down.

Honestly I never thought the MC was any better than Erynn in that situation either he was a little shit . But I think I find the whole MC wanted to be left alone by Erynn and she should get the hint kind of ridiculous as when she first sees him at the club who wouldn't chase down an old friend in that situation to try and talk to them or whatever. Especially Erynn cause she doesn't even know why the MC never replied just knew he was upset since he ran home and left without talking to her. She just thought he was upset because she ignored / turned down his confession never knew the real reason for some time.

I only agree about hate post about her going in his room tho I think it's with his mother permission so not a big deal. it does seem too sudden to pick up where things were to do the room bit right away even tho I love how she always goes into his room. Cause it makes her such a playful character.

 

[NewGuy2022]

haha I knew it was gonna be a Erynn hate day when I saw Alfred's name never seen a post by them that wasn't Erynn hate. I think it's funny most of the time when I see Erynn hate post they are almost always too harsh or not very understanding considering they were kids ( before the age up) whenever everything went down.

Honestly I never thought the MC was any better than Erynn in that situation either he was a little shit . But I think I find the whole MC wanted to be left alone by Erynn and she should get the hint kind of ridiculous as when she first sees him at the club who wouldn't chase down an old friend in that situation to try and talk to them or whatever. Especially Erynn cause she doesn't even know why the MC never replied just knew he was upset since he ran home and left without talking to her. She just thought he was upset because she ignored / turned down his confession never knew the real reason for some time.

I only agree about hate post about her going in his room tho I think it's with his mother permission so not a big deal. it does seem too sudden to pick up where things were to do the room bit right away even tho I love how she always goes into his room. Cause it makes her such a playful character.

The other thing that outcome shows (IMO) is that even though the MC clearly does everything possible to push away Erynn for the hurt he believes she caused him... ...deep-down, he still has the feels for her. Her coming to him that morning was the push he needed to get past his defense mechanism of "I hate her."

Is this romantic love or platonic? I guess that's up to the player to determine. As always, I'm a big fan of meaningful choices.

 

[cxx]

Yeah, and we all saw how that worked out, didn't we? Although Adrianna seemed to like the outcome...

she might have plans which mc either likes or not.

 

[NewGuy2022]

she might have plans which mc either likes or not.

Which she? Do you mean Arianna or Lexi?