VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[MilesEdgeworth]

Using Mira to cheat on Cara. = I don’t see a problem.
Alexis = I could do this forever.
Layla and Erynn= There’s a bit of guilt, but I can do it.
Val = Do it once in the name of science.
but
I’ll say it again: cheating Muscle Mommy is pure madness.

What if you want to create a raven-hair harem- Muscle mommy- Elena- Val :O

 

[ffive]

Like when Ethan suggests to Alexis he'll leave Erynn alone if she (Alexis) fucks him.

Yeah, but you'd have to be literally brain dead to trust Ethan to keep his word, when he's already on record of promising Erynn he'd delete the blackmail video if she went to the prom with him, only to keep blackmailing her after she complied.

 

[ffive]

If the MC is unfaithful to his LI, that's cheating. If the LI is unfaithful to the MC but the MC never finds out... ...that's cheating.

NTR only happens when the LI betrays the MC, the MC learns about the betrayal, and the LI actually is stolen away from the MC.

So, NTR always is cheating but cheating is not always NTR. Hopefully that made sense?

NTR doesn't require the protagonist to find out about it. A lot of games with this theme are of "mystery NTR" sort where the MC remains clueless about what is going on. The player might or might be given the view of what is happening, but it is not necessary, either.

NTR simply means a LI got to fuck someone other than the protagonist. Whether this is due to blackmail, seduction or other means. The difference in using the tags on this forum is mostly to let people know easier whether it's MC cheating on their partner (cheating) or if they're the one who gets cheated on (netorare).

 

[LSC82]

My opinion: Julia only matters in the game if you're on the Cara path. Boffing Julia upsets Cara; I don't think anyone else cares so it doesn't matter on the other paths. Some sort of rivalry or frenemy thing between Julia and Cara...

It most definitely intersects with the Nikki path.
Nikki might not have any personal feelings towards Julia... But she does the math and figures out you've fucked Julia during the middle of your relationship.
Needless to say she doesn't appreciate it

For the girls from Madison Springs it doesn't matter, it was before you ever met/reconnected with them.

If the LI is unfaithful to the MC but the MC never finds out... ...that's cheating.

If the MC never learns of it... this could be happening in every game with every LI , technically.

NTR only happens when the LI betrays the MC, the MC learns about the betrayal, and the LI actually is stolen away from the MC.

So, NTR always is cheating but cheating is not always NTR. Hopefully that made sense?

NTR doesn't require the protagonist to find out about it. A lot of games with this theme are of "mystery NTR" sort where the MC remains clueless about what is going on. The player might or might be given the view of what is happening, but it is not necessary, either.

NTR simply means a LI got to fuck someone other than the protagonist. Whether this is due to blackmail, seduction or other means. The difference in using the tags on this forum is mostly to let people know easier whether it's MC cheating on their partner (cheating) or if they're the one who gets cheated on (netorare).

NewGuy2022 probably has the correct definition on a dictionary level.
As far as this forum is concerned it means the character you are playing as gets cheated.
Still some female MC games use NTR as a tag even though it's her doing the cheating(a lot of cheating ).

I think it's important to differentiate that i don't think Nyx ever had plans to go full NTR aimed game, where the scenes of LIs getting fucked are fully displayed and meant to arouse...
The plans were more like dropping some hints that certain girls might be with another guy...
And not even making it 100% certain, just spotting them together on the street.
Without showing them having sex or anything, leaving things kinda open.

Personally i wouldn't have a problem if girls i passed on started dating new guys(hopefully not Ethan or Zach), that's just how life works...
But... amongst AVN fans you'll always find some who are deeply offended by this, so it kinda becomes more trouble than it's worth.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

It most definitely intersects with the Nikki path.
Nikki might not have any personal feelings towards Julia... But she does the math and figures out you've fucked Julia during the middle of your relationship.
Needless to say she doesn't appreciate it

For the girls from Madison Springs it doesn't matter, it was before you ever met/reconnected with them.


If the MC never learns of it... this could be happening in every game with every LI , technically.



NewGuy2022 probably has the correct definition on a dictionary level.
Personally i wouldn't have a problem if girls i passed on started dating new guys(hopefully not Ethan or Zach), that's just how life works...
But... amongst AVN fans you'll always find some who are deeply offended by this, so it kinda becomes more trouble than it's worth.

If a person get jealous that the girl they were dating is dating somebody else after they break her heart, someone needs to come over and bop them over the head with a hammer cuz they are a moron.

 

[Tier1selection]

To me the two tags can mean different things. We in the West can't seem to agree on what NTR actually means so that could be part of the issue.

If the MC is unfaithful to his LI, that's cheating. If the LI is unfaithful to the MC but the MC never finds out... ...that's cheating.

NTR only happens when the LI betrays the MC, the MC learns about the betrayal, and the LI actually is stolen away from the MC.

So, NTR always is cheating but cheating is not always NTR. Hopefully that made sense?

Of course, I'm not Japanese so I may not understand it correctly, either.

I believe that you understood it quite correctly ! Usually the NTR stories in Japan originally also focused on the feelings of the MC (one being cheated on) after discovering the cheating of their partner and how it affects them afterward, but that is something that I have not seen explored on any AVN.

 

[Elduriel]

but that is something that I have not seen explored on any AVN.

Love&Jealousy explores exactly that

 

[Tier1selection]

Love&Jealousy explores exactly that

well, I said "I" have not seen it . TBH I am not a fan of NTR stories and prefer to play AVNs that focus on stories that are interesting (but no soap opera like)

 

[Elduriel]

prefer to play AVNs that focus on stories that are interesting (but no soap opera like)

then what the hell are you doing here? Doesn't get much more soap operaish than Intertwined

 

[Kaskaze]

What if you want to create a raven-hair harem- Muscle mommy- Elena- Val :O

Get rid of Elena and I might reconsider

 

[Malicre]

There isn't, there's only the version you can download here.

The dev had plans to add some... "NTR adjacent" scenes depending on your choices, but this plan has been scraped, it won't happen.
What Nyx said is that someday, after the game is complete, she might(emphasis on might) do a "directors cut" including these bad endings.

MC is such a loser i would enjoy an ntr route where all the ladies get fucked by someone else. Imagine the Emily/Melissa/John threesome or Erynn/Melissa/Ethan blackmail path.

 

[ffive]

MC is such a loser i would enjoy an ntr route where all the ladies get fucked by someone else. Imagine the Emily/Melissa/John threesome or Erynn/Melissa/Ethan blackmail path.

Pretty much all girls in the game have a thing for Erynn's former boyfriend, the one who took her virginity.

 

[Tier1selection]

then what the hell are you doing here? Doesn't get much more soap operaish than Intertwined

LoL you are right ! but I just have to see Elena (hey latinas are my weakness)

 

[arone tajhiri]

There isn't, there's only the version you can download here.

The dev had plans to add some... "NTR adjacent" scenes depending on your choices, but this plan has been scraped, it won't happen.
What Nyx said is that someday, after the game is complete, she might(emphasis on might) do a "directors cut" including these bad endings.

Oh there is one alright
but we hv no way to get it is all

 

[cxx]

Oh there is one alright
but we hv no way to get it is all

there already is on mommy.

 

[NewGuy2022]

I believe that you understood it quite correctly ! Usually the NTR stories in Japan originally also focused on the feelings of the MC (one being cheated on) after discovering the cheating of their partner and how it affects them afterward, but that is something that I have not seen explored on any AVN.

Exactly. It's my impression that western players (at least the ones who post on the forums I read) aren't interested in the feelings of the MC after his loss; they enjoy the feeling of watching someone suffer as their life is destroyed.

 

[Warscared]

Exactly. It's my impression that western players (at least the ones who post on the forums I read) aren't interested in the feelings of the MC after his loss; they enjoy the feeling of watching someone suffer as their life is destroyed.

that is not NTR that is cheating!
Ntr is the feeling of loss hollowness and emptiness
one has when your love as been defiled
either by trickery or by wickedness on her part!
and yes she getting drunk and fucking up is wickedness on her part!

 

[ffive]

Exactly. It's my impression that western players (at least the ones who post on the forums I read) aren't interested in the feelings of the MC after his loss; they enjoy the feeling of watching someone suffer as their life is destroyed.

There seems to be quite a few posts in the NTR threads where people rage at at MC's partner and/or express some often disturbing revenge fantasies towards the cheating parties,, that lead me to believe this is not universal perspective, and quite a few associate themselves with the MC rather than enjoy what the MC is getting through.

 

[NewGuy2022]

There seems to be quite a few posts in the NTR threads where people rage at at MC's partner and/or express some often disturbing revenge fantasies towards the cheating parties,, that lead me to believe this is not universal perspective, and quite a few associate themselves with the MC rather than enjoy what the MC is getting through.

Many do; but I don't see where the NTR proponents are the ones who do that. Instead of focusing on what the MC is feeling about the betrayal, instead they fantasize about being the ones committing the betrayal. Instead of trying to understand the emotions of the cheated party, they want to increase the cheated party's misery. Whatever; not shaming, just trying to understand.

 

[Justaphase]

Why are people talking about NTR here exactly? If you keep it up you'll have the ugly bastard fans turn up here asking for the old perv to get all of the girls.
I would also take what Nyx says in her Q&A's with a big pinch of salt. I prefer to go by what she does rather than what she says. Especially because some things are just for a reaction, like the Emily incest teasing in game.