VN Ren'Py Isabella - Chasing Shadows [Ch. 4.3] [badtimetales]

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Old Grumpy Wolf

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Trust and being open is important for a relationship.

But Alex and the MC started as FWB, MC was happy to have somebody to bring him back to life, Alex was happy to have somebody she like, reminds her of her dad and she can have some fun with.
She even didn't know he' has some money or have been at his home - that should tell enough about her feelings at the beginning.

That this would grew into a full relationship (either being together if you are on here or the "harem" route, or just as a friend doesn't matter) none of them expected. Or better: Both didn't want to see that this happens.

Still Alex is Alex.
She doesn't want to share her problems with other people, even with Cath. She doesn't want to bother them.
Just think about how she acted when her dad died. Cath had no chance to get through to her.
It takes time for her to understand that it's not a burden for the MC, Cath or Isa if she talks about what she thinks, how she feels.

This has nothing to do with holding something back, it's just Alex being Alex.
With the experience she had suffered with the band, she's doesn't trust people easily. And the next blow: Cath told the MC about what happened.

Give her some time, she is ok and will open up ;)

Similar situation with Isa.
In her job, it's better not to trust people. That's why she connected to Alex and the MC so quickly.
They didn't see her as the model, but as a lady that needed help.
There will be some surprises in her story though.


For the three of them together, it needs some bonding time between the girls.
"Ok, MC, fuck the big tit supermodel" wouldn't work for Alex and Isa "Hey MC, I want to fuck you" isn't working either, doesn't matter if you are with Alex or not.

I hope that explains a few things ;)
I get that, but the moment those 3 words came out, you don't hold anything back. Just my 2cents on the matter.
 
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Still Alex is Alex.
She doesn't want to share her problems with other people, even with Cath. She doesn't want to bother them.
Just think about how she acted when her dad died. Cath had no chance to get through to her.
It takes time for her to understand that it's not a burden for the MC, Cath or Isa if she talks about what she thinks, how she feels.
You know, you don't have any right to make me this sad for an imaginary character in an AVN. :(
Now, I feel like I want to hug Alex and tell her I'll be always there for her. :giggle:
 

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Trust and being open is important for a relationship.

But Alex and the MC started as FWB, MC was happy to have somebody to bring him back to life, Alex was happy to have somebody she like, reminds her of her dad and she can have some fun with.
She even didn't know he' has some money or have been at his home - that should tell enough about her feelings at the beginning.

That this would grew into a full relationship (either being together if you are on here or the "harem" route, or just as a friend doesn't matter) none of them expected. Or better: Both didn't want to see that this happens.

Still Alex is Alex.
She doesn't want to share her problems with other people, even with Cath. She doesn't want to bother them.
Just think about how she acted when her dad died. Cath had no chance to get through to her.
It takes time for her to understand that it's not a burden for the MC, Cath or Isa if she talks about what she thinks, how she feels.

This has nothing to do with holding something back, it's just Alex being Alex.
With the experience she had suffered with the band, she's doesn't trust people easily. And the next blow: Cath told the MC about what happened.

Give her some time, she is ok and will open up ;)

Similar situation with Isa.
In her job, it's better not to trust people. That's why she connected to Alex and the MC so quickly.
They didn't see her as the model, but as a lady that needed help.
There will be some surprises in her story though.


For the three of them together, it needs some bonding time between the girls.
"Ok, MC, fuck the big tit supermodel" wouldn't work for Alex and Isa "Hey MC, I want to fuck you" isn't working either, doesn't matter if you are with Alex or not.

I hope that explains a few things ;)
To be brutally honest, I have to say, that Full Disclosure right at the start, while it seems "interesting" kinda makes no sense.

Let me explain.

At the start of a relationship, we are in LUST, not LOVE, it is pure and simple LUST. We looked at them, they looked at us, we liked what we saw, or, at least didn't dislike it too much, and we wanted to see if it feels as good as it looks like it will. Sometimes it does, others, oh NO, get outtta here... At this stage, there's no need for Secret Trading. Some basics are recommended, like relationship status. But that's about it.

Then things start progressing, sometimes slower, sometimes faster, feelings evolve. But it still isn't LOVE, it's something akin to FWB. We are still in LUST. We are still engaged in biological needs modes. Some disclosure needs to happen, to build trust, to build connection, to build "something" that at this phase is still amorphous, still frail. For some, this phase lasts a few months, others days, to very few, only hours.

The big changes start to happen, both start to feel the "indispensability" of that other. Missing their touch, their presence, their voice or their noise. That's LOVE starting to wake up along with LUST. At this point, long conversations and disclosures are needed. Full? No. Just as far as your built trust allows.

This is where Alex and MC are. The deeper they'll connect, will depend on their communication, not the other way around. Trust needs time to build. It also dies, instantly, very fast.

At this point, I (and this is my very personal view) feel that the throuple needs to spend time together. Getting themselves used to and later addicted to each other. This means being coated by each others saliva by talking for hours in close proximity. Talk about what? Well, they need to build a rapport. So, talk about EVERYTHING. From socks colors to rice recipes. Interrupt each other. Tell jokes. Make temporary alliances, to break them 5 seconds later, and do it again, and again, and again. It's not only the girls that need to bound, they all need to bind themselves to each other.

Maybe I'm wrong, or getting to this from a perspective that isn't the one you expect, but, I feel that Alex, Isa and the MC, each have deep wounds and scars. We know a bit about the MC ones, some of Alex's ones and have been hinted about Isa's ones. It is unreal that either of them would go for a Full Disclosure at this stage. Each of them have trust issues. It's not only Alex. Each of them have secrets. The MC is probably the worst offender even.

Yes, BTT, they do need to TALK, a LOT. Like I said, bathe each other in saliva from all the talking (an yes, that is a thing, check it out). Are they at the Secret Trading level yet? Not really. There's loads of basic knowledge about each other to go through first. Well, unless the secrets aren't of immediate concern, like relationships, health issues, or something on this level of immediacy.

So, Dark and Old Aussie, relax, we aren't there yet. It's coming. But there's no reason to distrust just yet. Yes, I know, we have been letting our feelings evolve, we've had Time. They didn't, barely a week has gone by for them. IRL, we would maybe not even have kissed.

Time moves differently here. OK?

Peace :love:
 

Old Grumpy Wolf

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To be brutally honest, I have to say, that Full Disclosure right at the start, while it seems "interesting" kinda makes no sense.

Let me explain.

At the start of a relationship, we are in LUST, not LOVE, it is pure and simple LUST. We looked at them, they looked at us, we liked what we saw, or, at least didn't dislike it too much, and we wanted to see if it feels as good as it looks like it will. Sometimes it does, others, oh NO, get outtta here... At this stage, there's no need for Secret Trading. Some basics are recommended, like relationship status. But that's about it.

Then things start progressing, sometimes slower, sometimes faster, feelings evolve. But it still isn't LOVE, it's something akin to FWB. We are still in LUST. We are still engaged in biological needs modes. Some disclosure needs to happen, to build trust, to build connection, to build "something" that at this phase is still amorphous, still frail. For some, this phase lasts a few months, others days, to very few, only hours.

The big changes start to happen, both start to feel the "indispensability" of that other. Missing their touch, their presence, their voice or their noise. That's LOVE starting to wake up along with LUST. At this point, long conversations and disclosures are needed. Full? No. Just as far as your built trust allows.

This is where Alex and MC are. The deeper they'll connect, will depend on their communication, not the other way around. Trust needs time to build. It also dies, instantly, very fast.

At this point, I (and this is my very personal view) feel that the throuple needs to spend time together. Getting themselves used to and later addicted to each other. This means being coated by each others saliva by talking for hours in close proximity. Talk about what? Well, they need to build a rapport. So, talk about EVERYTHING. From socks colors to rice recipes. Interrupt each other. Tell jokes. Make temporary alliances, to break them 5 seconds later, and do it again, and again, and again. It's not only the girls that need to bound, they all need to bind themselves to each other.

Maybe I'm wrong, or getting to this from a perspective that isn't the one you expect, but, I feel that Alex, Isa and the MC, each have deep wounds and scars. We know a bit about the MC ones, some of Alex's ones and have been hinted about Isa's ones. It is unreal that either of them would go for a Full Disclosure at this stage. Each of them have trust issues. It's not only Alex. Each of them have secrets. The MC is probably the worst offender even.

Yes, BTT, they do need to TALK, a LOT. Like I said, bathe each other in saliva from all the talking (an yes, that is a thing, check it out). Are they at the Secret Trading level yet? Not really. There's loads of basic knowledge about each other to go through first. Well, unless the secrets aren't of immediate concern, like relationships, health issues, or something on this level of immediacy.

So, Dark and Old Aussie, relax, we aren't there yet. It's coming. But there's no reason to distrust just yet. Yes, I know, we have been letting our feelings evolve, we've had Time. They didn't, barely a week has gone by for them. IRL, we would maybe not even have kissed.

Time moves differently here. OK?

Peace :love:
I have to disagree with you there. Due to my personal experiences, I know for a fact that without full disclosure from the start, relationships will fail. I truly hope Alex has a good reasoning behind this otherwise, if badtimetales give us an option, I'll probably break up with her. That might be an asshole move, but as my ex-wife said: "It's the only thing that makes sense to me. I hope you find what you're looking for."
 

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I have to disagree with you there. Due to my personal experiences, I know for a fact that without full disclosure from the start, relationships will fail. I truly hope Alex has a good reasoning behind this otherwise, if badtimetales give us an option, I'll probably break up with her. That might be an asshole move, but as my ex-wife said: "It's the only thing that makes sense to me. I hope you find what you're looking for."
Mate, I can't fix your personal experience. I'm sorry. I've also fucked up. Been paying for it for 29 years. Will probably continue.

Peace :(
 

Old Grumpy Wolf

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I'll take that as a compliment. I mean you're a self-appointed simp and even if your girl told you she did the entire footy team, their coach, mascot AND the visiting team + coach + mascot, you'd probably still forgive her. I KNOW Alex isn't a cheater, so, that's not pointed at her.
Darky, darky... first of all it was not directed to you why do you self-appoint pathetic gif on ya and secondly, you sound like speaking from experience and lastly don't use simp word too freely if you do not want to brought wrath of Joshy upon you. ;)

Dessolos we good right bruh, some friendly bantering that's all? :giggle:
 
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Old Grumpy Wolf

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Darky, darky... first of all it was not directed to you why do you self-appointed pathetic on ya and secondly, you sound like speaking from experience and lastly don't use simp word too freely if you do not want to brought wrath of Joshy upon you. ;)

Dessolos we good right bruh, some friendly bantering that's all? :giggle:
Joshy92 is undisputably King Simp, you're prince simp. You're making the King proud. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Darky, darky... first of all it was not directed to you why do you self-appoint pathetic gif on ya and secondly, you sound like speaking from experience and lastly don't use simp word too freely if you do not want to brought wrath of Joshy upon you. ;)

Dessolos we good right bruh, some friendly bantering that's all? :giggle:
yeah I thought it was funny
 

Grumpy Old Aussie

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To be brutally honest, I have to say, that Full Disclosure right at the start, while it seems "interesting" kinda makes no sense.

Let me explain.

At the start of a relationship, we are in LUST, not LOVE, it is pure and simple LUST. We looked at them, they looked at us, we liked what we saw, or, at least didn't dislike it too much, and we wanted to see if it feels as good as it looks like it will. Sometimes it does, others, oh NO, get outtta here... At this stage, there's no need for Secret Trading. Some basics are recommended, like relationship status. But that's about it.

Then things start progressing, sometimes slower, sometimes faster, feelings evolve. But it still isn't LOVE, it's something akin to FWB. We are still in LUST. We are still engaged in biological needs modes. Some disclosure needs to happen, to build trust, to build connection, to build "something" that at this phase is still amorphous, still frail. For some, this phase lasts a few months, others days, to very few, only hours.

The big changes start to happen, both start to feel the "indispensability" of that other. Missing their touch, their presence, their voice or their noise. That's LOVE starting to wake up along with LUST. At this point, long conversations and disclosures are needed. Full? No. Just as far as your built trust allows.

This is where Alex and MC are. The deeper they'll connect, will depend on their communication, not the other way around. Trust needs time to build. It also dies, instantly, very fast.

At this point, I (and this is my very personal view) feel that the throuple needs to spend time together. Getting themselves used to and later addicted to each other. This means being coated by each others saliva by talking for hours in close proximity. Talk about what? Well, they need to build a rapport. So, talk about EVERYTHING. From socks colors to rice recipes. Interrupt each other. Tell jokes. Make temporary alliances, to break them 5 seconds later, and do it again, and again, and again. It's not only the girls that need to bound, they all need to bind themselves to each other.

Maybe I'm wrong, or getting to this from a perspective that isn't the one you expect, but, I feel that Alex, Isa and the MC, each have deep wounds and scars. We know a bit about the MC ones, some of Alex's ones and have been hinted about Isa's ones. It is unreal that either of them would go for a Full Disclosure at this stage. Each of them have trust issues. It's not only Alex. Each of them have secrets. The MC is probably the worst offender even.

Yes, BTT, they do need to TALK, a LOT. Like I said, bathe each other in saliva from all the talking (an yes, that is a thing, check it out). Are they at the Secret Trading level yet? Not really. There's loads of basic knowledge about each other to go through first. Well, unless the secrets aren't of immediate concern, like relationships, health issues, or something on this level of immediacy.

So, Dark and Old Aussie, relax, we aren't there yet. It's coming. But there's no reason to distrust just yet. Yes, I know, we have been letting our feelings evolve, we've had Time. They didn't, barely a week has gone by for them. IRL, we would maybe not even have kissed.

Time moves differently here. OK?

Peace :love:
All good, I just got triggered for a moment (personal trauma thing). I'm looking forward to more of the story and the great work the dev does.
 

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Yes, BTT, they do need to TALK, a LOT. Like I said, bathe each other in saliva from all the talking (an yes, that is a thing, check it out). Are they at the Secret Trading level yet? Not really. There's loads of basic knowledge about each other to go through first. Well, unless the secrets aren't of immediate concern, like relationships, health issues, or something on this level of immediacy.
You have pointed out a problem that I have created myself.
With the slow character building players build up their expectations. Well, that was the plan and is a good thing in general.
But like in a movie or even a book the time is limited, I can't tell the story for the next ten years.

And in the end it's an "erotic thriller".
So I have to find the right mix for the girl/girl and girls/MC interaction and bring the story in.


So, Dark and Old Aussie, relax, we aren't there yet. It's coming. But there's no reason to distrust just yet. Yes, I know, we have been letting our feelings evolve, we've had Time. They didn't, barely a week has gone by for them. IRL, we would maybe not even have kissed.

Time moves differently here. OK?
Couldn't have said that better, thanks.
 
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