Italian website selling porn games and claiming to own the copyright for them

[Amenahek]

There is the TOS and what they'd actually ban for. If the latter doesn't go beyond the TOS wouldn't stuff like incest, beastiality, rape and other fetish content that gets patreon angsty be acceptable on the platform?

Oops sorry, I edited my original response with the additional info, but stuff like incest, bestiality, rape and the like will still be prohibited due to the US federal, state and local laws clause: "-In any way that violates any applicable US federal, state, or local law, rule, or regulation (including, without limitation, any intellectual property laws or privacy laws or laws regarding sanctions, or the export of data or software to and from the United States or other countries);"

All of those subjects are illegal in some form at the US federal and/or state level.

 

[saintvermillion]

Oops sorry, I edited my original response with the additional info, but stuff like incest, bestiality, rape and the like will still be prohibited due to the US federal, state and local laws clause: "-In any way that violates any applicable US federal, state, or local law, rule, or regulation (including, without limitation, any intellectual property laws or privacy laws or laws regarding sanctions, or the export of data or software to and from the United States or other countries);"

All of those subjects are illegal in some form at the US federal and/or state level.

Whoa really? Where is F95zone hosted ?

 

[Deleted member 407466]

Whoa really? Where is F95zone hosted ?

In the land of milk and honey.

 

[Amenahek]

Whoa really? Where is F95zone hosted ?

No idea, and I hope it's not in the US. Fortunately, the current crackdown is primarily directed at sites that are utilizing some form of payment, so we pirates are kinda overlooked in the scope of this moral crusade. Granted, we're still public enemy #1 for the mainline anti-piracy movement, but since what we're pirating is primarily non-mainstream products like indie porn games, F95 is relatively safe.

That being said, I like to think of myself as an ethical pirate. 100% of the games I support through Patreon were found through here.

Oh and yes really in regards to US law.

 

[Amenahek]

In the land of milk and honey.

This is a Zionist conspiracy I can support. ;P

 

[おい！]

Whoa really? Where is F95zone hosted ?

In the pervert zone.

 

[saintvermillion]

No idea, and I hope it's not in the US. Fortunately, the current crackdown is primarily directed at sites that are utilizing some form of payment, so we pirates are kinda overlooked in the scope of this moral crusade. Granted, we're still public enemy #1 for the mainline anti-piracy movement, but since what we're pirating is primarily non-mainstream products like indie porn games, F95 is relatively safe.

That being said, I like to think of myself as an ethical pirate. 100% of the games I support through Patreon were found through here.

Oh and yes really in regards to US law.

Checked out the TOS of F95zone and how much of it is dedicated towards a disassociation with the content put up by members painted a telling picture of server location. Did some digging and sure enough it seems to be U.S servers. It's a non-issue really because as you mentioned what would the financial motivation of any big dick swingers to go after this site. It seems the only real solution to the censorship in adult games creation is the generation of a blockchain patreon alternative in a country where those things are legal.

 

[Amenahek]

Checked out the TOS of F95zone and how much of it is dedicated towards a disassociation with the content put up by members painted a telling picture of server location. Did some digging and sure enough it seems to be U.S servers. It's a non-issue really because as you mentioned what would the financial motivation of any big dick swingers to go after this site. It seems the only real solution to the censorship in adult games creation is the generation of a blockchain patreon alternative in a country where those things are legal.

Yup. And that brings us to the real conundrum, is there a country where those things are legal and boast the technical infrastructure necessary to actually be a stable host for a site? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but if anyone would like to found the nation of Rapingbearsonia, I'm all ears. ;P

 

[saintvermillion]

Yup. And that brings us to the real conundrum, is there a country where those things are legal and boast the technical infrastructure necessary to actually be a stable host for a site? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but if anyone would like to found the nation of Rapingbearsonia, I'm all ears. ;P

Lol can you imagine the nationalist pride and national anthem of rapingbearsonia? I figure there are probably a couple countries that have the infrastructure for server hosting and where the desired content types depicted in these games would be legal. It's not like anyone actually has to have sex with their blood relative, a dog or be raped for the content to be produced.

 

[DJsona]

Whoa really? Where is F95zone hosted ?

Did some digging and sure enough it seems to be U.S servers.

For Firefox you can use the plugin "Flagfox"

 

[Amenahek]

Lol can you imagine the nationalist pride and national anthem of rapingbearsonia? I figure there are probably a couple countries that have the infrastructure for server hosting and where the desired content types depicted in these games would be legal. It's not like anyone actually has to have sex with their blood relative, a dog or be raped for the content to be produced.

Hahaha, it would be definitely something that causes human-BSODs upon listening.

While true, the big sticking point is how that country interprets simulated depictions of said topics. For instance, in the US, lolicon content is not actually outlawed, but a lot of distributors will get hit with child pornography charges or investigations for having it, so they just avoid it altogether. Someone could theoretically fight such a case in litigation, but who wants to go down publicly unmasked as the defender of cartoon kiddie play?

 

[Hones]

You do know that you are only seeing the location of Cloudflares servers and not the location of the server hosting this site.

 

[saintvermillion]

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For Firefox you can use the plugin "Flagfox"

Thanks, I mostly use chrome but I'll chuck it on firefox. I'm sure there are circumstances where that will come in handy.

Hahaha, it would be definitely something that causes human-BSODs on viewing.

While true, the big sticking point is how that country interprets simulated depictions of said topics. For instance, in the US, lolicon content is not actually outlawed, but a lot of distributors will get hit with child pornography charges or investigations for having it, so they just avoid it altogether. Someone could theoretically fight such a case in litigation, but who wants to go down publicly unmasked as the defender of cartoon kiddie play?

I've always found the laws some countries have against depictions really counterproductive and stupid. Their focus should be on the real material.

You do know that you are only seeing the location of Cloudflares servers and not the location of the server hosting this site.

If you're accessing it through cloudflare does that mean the content fall under US laws anyway?

 

[gamersglory]

Damn! How no one noticed before? And no one complaining? No Law action been taken?

Reson there is lack of action is because of those of us in the developer community 99% don't make enough money off of our games to afford a lawyer. I'm sure Dark cookie could.

 

[Amenahek]

Reson there is lack of action is because of those of us in the developer community 99% don't make enough money off of our games to afford a lawyer. I'm sure Dark cookie could.

Yea, and the misguided assumption of some people that most game devs are Patreon rich has led to a general apathy towards flagrant abuses by entities like giocchi. Not everybody has that Icstor or Akabur money. If you lads want to start some sort of donor drive for legal fees to fight this, I would consider it a worthy cause to donate to.

 

[Hones]

If you're accessing it through cloudflare does that mean the content fall under US laws anyway?

No I don't believe so, it would depend on where the site is actually hosted although using a .com domain that I believe brings the site under US law.

 

[Master of Puppets]

Yeap I was looking at their TOS too, and saw the same thing.

Also this little bit here in their prohibited uses section:

"-In any way that violates any applicable US federal, state, or local law, rule, or regulation (including, without limitation, any intellectual property laws or privacy laws or laws regarding sanctions, or the export of data or software to and from the United States or other countries);"

Means any devs with incest content will have still have to dance around it with Lewdpatcher shenanigans just like on Patreon, since incest is illegal for most of the US states.

Basically, it's great for political free speech, but for our pervy purposes... nothing better.

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure you're grossly misinterpreting those ToS. Incest may be illegal in some states, but depictions of incest are not (or all those companies producing incest porn would be in hot water, wouldn't they? It's fine because no actual incest is occurring). Underage sex is prohibited just about everywhere, but US legal precedent is that depictions of underage sex are only banned if they look too realistic.

 

[Amenahek]

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure you're grossly misinterpreting those ToS. Incest may be illegal in some states, but depictions of incest are not (or all those companies producing incest porn would be in hot water, wouldn't they? It's fine because no actual incest is occurring). Underage sex is prohibited just about everywhere, but US legal precedent is that depictions of underage sex are only banned if they look too realistic.

All of those companies producing incest porn use "step" relations, if you listen to the dialogue. I know cuz I watch most of it.

EDIT: The ones in the US do, at least.

SECOND EDIT: Not sure what legal precedent you're referring to, but this was the last case I know of where the simulated depiction of minors and incest was involved, and the dude got three years in prison for having comics:

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In said article, it also quotes the US Code covering it:

"According to United States Code, Section

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, it is illegal for:

Any person who … knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that -​

(1)(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and​

(B) is obscene; or​

(2)(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and​

(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value"​

 

[saintvermillion]

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure you're grossly misinterpreting those ToS. Incest may be illegal in some states, but depictions of incest are not (or all those companies producing incest porn would be in hot water, wouldn't they? It's fine because no actual incest is occurring). Underage sex is prohibited just about everywhere, but US legal precedent is that depictions of underage sex are only banned if they look too realistic.

So really it comes down to whether that company would go by US law or just say fuck it and ban it because it's too much hassle and they can ban whatever they feel like by admission of their own TOS. Best way to find out is to contact them about what would be allowed.

 

[gamersglory]

Oops sorry, I edited my original response with the additional info, but stuff like incest, bestiality, rape and the like will still be prohibited due to the US federal, state and local laws clause: "-In any way that violates any applicable US federal, state, or local law, rule, or regulation (including, without limitation, any intellectual property laws or privacy laws or laws regarding sanctions, or the export of data or software to and from the United States or other countries);"

All of those subjects are illegal in some form at the US federal and/or state level.

In the case of fictional content such as 3dcg and animation, Incest laws would not apply as it would technically be fauxcest or Fake Incest