Italian website selling porn games and claiming to own the copyright for them

[Turtlesweater42]

This may be a piracy site but there is a massive difference between
Stealing someone's work and passing it off as your own (the Italian scumbag)
and
Sharing games while giving credit to the original developer and even posting links to that developer. (F95)

im Italian and im not a scumbag lol

the whole purpose of my argument is, I don't want f95 to get shut down because some dude points a finger, and, because he is doing something wrong too, he gets everyone else screwed

 

[I'm Not Thea Lundgren!]

#1 Patreon is commercial use dude... A.K.A. selling(unless the game is for downloadable for free)
#2 the art and animation style of honey select was used and is being sold on patron... A.K.A. stealing
#3 I understand that, but he started the post acting like he owns what he is selling himself, which he doesn't... because look at point #2
#4 of course not, but I was just saying Runey is being a hypocrite himself

keep in mind dude, I support Runey and I love his game, but when he comes out and says that "what this website is doing is wrong", well he isn't any better

also long time no see dude lol

1. Runey always gives the game for free.
2. Patreon, in this case, is used as a tip-jar, so no selling.

 

[Turtlesweater42]

Dude get out to get some vitamin for your brain, this site doesnt make money by selling game, you can download all the game in this site for FREE!!! but those scumbag just stealing others hardwork, translated it, claiming it was their and selling it. you're stupid for cannot understand the difference.

1st, check your grammar cuz it's kinda bad
2nd, brain vitamins?
3rd, you misunderstood the post buddy

 

[Turtlesweater42]

1. Runey always gives the game for free.
2. Patreon, in this case, is used as a tip-jar, so no selling.

ok thats cool then... I just don't want Runey shooting himself or any other pirate developers in the foot you know what I mean?

 

[fffffffffffk]

Dude get out to get some vitamin for your brain, this site doesnt make money by selling game, you can download all the game in this site for FREE!!! but those scumbag just stealing others hardwork, translated it, claiming it was their and selling it. you're stupid for cannot understand the difference.

So this website doesn't have ads and donations?

 

[icesun]

So this website doesn't have ads and donations?

https://f95zone.to/donate/
--> Any and all donations and ad revenue go directly back into the site to improve the service we provide, none of our staff or users receive any payment.

 

[Adabelitoo]

So this website doesn't have ads and donations?

I didn't understand the point of this comment. Selling, ads, donations and making money may sound similar but aren't the same thing.

Youtube's videos have adds: Are they selling something to you or anybody? No - Are they making money with it? Yes

MSF accepts donations: Are they selling something to you or anybody? No - Are they making money with it? No

 

[shucia]

1st, check your grammar cuz it's kinda bad
2nd, brain vitamins?
3rd, you misunderstood the post buddy

Well i admit my english was bad but i still comment anyway, and like i said you need some sort of vitamin in your brain, you were saying this site posting a pirating content kinda similar with those scumbag?, but you were the one who're missing the point like i mentioned before so read it again, and you just an idiot who blindly defending their scumbag countrymen.

 

[shucia]

So this website doesn't have ads and donations?

another idiot it seems, accepting donations etc are very different with someone who were taking other people work and sell it for their own profit.

 

[Silvio Berlusconi]

therefore, in your opinion, whoever makes paid material made by others available to all, inevitably damaging the finances of the creators, is ok. But those who sell free material after having modified it without altering the credits of the authors and therefore offering them public visibility deserve the prison.

What a bounch of brilliant guys you are...

 

[Winterfire]

therefore, in your opinion, whoever makes paid material made by others available to all, inevitably damaging the finances of the creators, is ok. But those who sell free material after having modified it without altering the credits of the authors and therefore offering them public visibility deserve the prison.

What a bounch of brilliant guys you are...

The fact that you still do not understand the difference despite a bunch of people explaining it to you, pretty clearly I would add, is astounding.

I have never seen someone whose F95Zone's name fits them so perfectly before. 10/10 on the roleplay.

Kinda hypocritical given that you too are "illegally selling" a game with assets STOLEN FROM ILLUSION... if you start doing stupid shit like this, giving them ultimatums and what not, then Illusion may very well do the same thing to you. Don't scream bloody murder when you're just as guilty cause now word is out that someone "stole from you"

You must be registered to see the links

After learning the difference, you should know that Runey did contact Illusion and they granted him permission, allegedly.

 

[Adabelitoo]

therefore, in your opinion, whoever makes paid material made by others available to all, inevitably damaging the finances of the creators, is ok. But those who sell free material after having modified it without altering the credits of the authors and therefore offering them public visibility deserve the prison.

What a bounch of brilliant guys you are...

To be honest, by reading this I'm not sure if you are confusing things, if you aren't understanding them or if you are just dumb. Could you say who is the good guy and the bad guy according to you?

 

[RogueKnightUK]

therefore, in your opinion, whoever makes paid material made by others available to all, inevitably damaging the finances of the creators, is ok. But those who sell free material after having modified it without altering the credits of the authors and therefore offering them public visibility deserve the prison.

What a bounch of brilliant guys you are...

Only three sentences and yet still managed to fuck up all three.

First: Paid Material. You completely misunderstand Patreon and indeed, episodes. To the extent that makes it clear you have never thought at all. Patreon is not about selling the material, or the product. It is about sponsoring the creator for their creative effort, NOT the result of that effort. Anyone with an ounce of brain can see this in three easy ways:

1. If an account chooses to charge per month (the default) rather than per update, then whether or not there is a product release that month, you still pay for the time. Patreon makes no link between the release or availability of a product and the act of sponsorship. You sponsor the artist/creator/person - you are not 'buying' anything.
   
   
2. Each release contains material from previous releases, whether or not you paid during the creation of those, with no price difference. i.e. there is no connection or relationship between the amount of new product and the payment. If I sponsor someone for 8 months at $10 a month ($80 total), then on the 8th month I get exactly the same product as the guy who only started supporting in that 8th month and only paid $10 total.
   
   
3. As mentioned previously, if you look at the credits of pretty much any game I can think of, you see the top tier sponsors using forum names, meaning they setup up their Patreon account using their forum name, meaning they joined the Patreon to support that game *after* knowing exactly where and how they could get it for free. They are choosing to support the developer - the exact opposite of the demoralizing effect of having one's work and credit stolen, claimed as someone else's edit, even changing the name to try to ensure players who like it, and who might pay that grandma-rimming cuckmuppet (which is fraud BTW - taking money under false pretences) for it, can't easily or reasonably find the original source.

Since the opinion of others was based on that understanding, and yours was not, that naturally discounts your commentary of their opinion or it's basis.

If you can get someone capable of reading and thinking to explain the above to you (presumably with sign language and crayon drawings), you might see that therefore distributing their product for free does not harm the business, but on the contrary, is a free sample and advertising, and how they may actually gain sponsors. Many devs, just as NaughtyRoad stated, freely post their own updates to F95, and most Patreon pages themselves, right where the money-making decision is taken, offer a current free version.

So, that's "damaging the finances" also proven completely false and ridiculous as a statement.

Free material: Well, this is where things may get complex for a non-English speaker, never mind a non-sapient. Just because it carries no price tag doesn't make it completely free. It is like a 'free lunch' - it's given as a way to gather an audience and pitch them something. In this case, it is pitching the creativity of the developer and asking for support for future creation.

I detailed before that this was a key point, but obviously you didn't get anyone to explain it to you with mimes and crayons yet, or perhaps this concept is simply beyond you. F95 lets downloaders know, even before they download and start to enjoy, who is responsible for the creation, how they can support it, and generally encourages them to do so. The Italian website does the exact opposite, claiming to have created these, explicitly stating so in fact. It also takes the money up front, so it has already taken the customers money (fraudulently, as I mentioned, a separate crime punishable by jail time) before they are able to see a modified version of only the cheapest part of the content (the text is cheap, 90% of the work is in creating the images to which no modification is applied).

And finally, while the Italian scum-sucker behind this copyright theft and customer fraud may indeed leave the end credits in place, I somehow have the suspicion they'll be the one part of the game NOT translated to Italian when the product is being sold almost exclusively to an Italian-speaking audience, no? So, again, bullshit. Fuck you very much.

 

[Silvio Berlusconi]

The fact that you still do not understand the difference despite a bunch of people explaining it to you, pretty clearly I would add, is astounding.

I have never seen someone whose F95Zone's name fits them so perfectly before. 10/10 on the roleplay.

Also the number of your patrons fits perfectly the number of the neurons in your brain

Come on guys it's easy, why is so difficult for you to understand? Let's pretend there are two artist, Steven and Maurice.

Steven is a talented artist, so he decide to earn from his work. He starts selling some of his illustrations on Deviant art. They are really good creations, so people buy them and Steven can finally pay the bills. Then arrive an user of F59area, he buy the illustrations of Steven and he upload them on the site. F59 is a very famous site, and now people can download the illustrations for free instead of pay for them. So now nobody buys the Steven's creations anymore. Steven can no longer pay the bills. Steven is very sad.

Maurice is an emerging artist and an huge fan of Marvel's universe. He publish his comics for free on a lot of websites in english language, in order to reach as many people as possible. He also open a Patreon's page to get some support for his work. Then arrive the admin of Giuochi Spremium. He download the comics of Maurice, he translate the text in italian and he sell them on his website. The italian users of Giuochi Spremium decide to buy the comics of Maurice, because italian guys are dumbs and easly get tired of reading texts in english. Italian users appreciate Maurice's art, they would never have known it if it wasn't for GS. Some of them appreciate the comics so much that decide to support Maurice on Patreon. Maurice sees his earnings grow. Maurice can finally buy the Black Widow's sexy action figure he liked so much. Maurice is very happy.

 

[recreation]

Also the number of your patrons fits perfectly the number of the neurons in your brain

Come on guys it's easy, why is so difficult for you to understand? Let's pretend there are two artist, Steven and Maurice.

Steven is a talented artist, so he decide to earn from his work. He starts selling some of his illustrations on Deviant art. They are really good creations, so people buy them and Steven can finally pay the bills. Then arrive an user of F59area, he buy the illustrations of Steven and he upload them on the site. F59 is a very famous site, and now people can download the illustrations for free instead of pay for them. So now nobody buys the Steven's creations anymore. Steven can no longer pay the bills. Steven is very sad.

Maurice is an emerging artist and an huge fan of Marvel's universe. He publish his comics for free on a lot of websites in english language, in order to reach as many people as possible. He also open a Patreon's page to get some support for his work. Then arrive the admin of Giuochi Spremium. He download the comics of Maurice, he translate the text in italian and he sell them on his website. The italian users of Giuochi Spremium decide to buy the comics of Maurice, because italian guys are dumbs and easly get tired of reading texts in english. Italian users appreciate Maurice's art, they would never have known it if it wasn't for GS. Some of them appreciate the comics so much that decide to support Maurice on Patreon. Maurice sees his earnings grow. Maurice can finally buy the Black Widow's sexy action figure he liked so much. Maurice is very happy.

Steven is not selling anything, because he's making art for fun and just want to show his art to the world. He might have a patreon account, but his art is still free for all.

Then comes some Gnocchi, takes Stevens art, puts it on his own website, behind a paywall and claims it to be his own work.
People who buy the stuff, won't even know the original artist is someone else, and that it's out there for free until they bought it AND happen to read the about section or where ever the dev/artist put his sign.

 

[Adabelitoo]

Steven is a talented artist, so he decide to earn from his work. He starts selling some of his illustrations on Deviant art. They are really good creations, so people buy them and Steven can finally pay the bills. Then arrive an user of F59area, he buy the illustrations of Steven and he upload them on the site. F59 is a very famous site, and now people can download the illustrations for free instead of pay for them. So now nobody buys the Steven's creations anymore. Steven can no longer pay the bills. Steven is very sad.

Maurice is an emerging artist and an huge fan of Marvel's universe. He publish his comics for free on a lot of websites in english language, in order to reach as many people as possible. He also open a Patreon's page to get some support for his work. Then arrive the admin of Giuochi Spremium. He download the comics of Maurice, he translate the text in italian and he sell them on his website. The italian users of Giuochi Spremium decide to buy the comics of Maurice, because italian guys are dumbs and easly get tired of reading texts in english. Italian users appreciate Maurice's art, they would never have known it if it wasn't for GS. Some of them appreciate the comics so much that decide to support Maurice on Patreon. Maurice sees his earnings grow. Maurice can finally buy the Black Widow's sexy action figure he liked so much. Maurice is very happy.

Again, not sure if you are actually believing what you said or you're just trolling. To be honest I think I know the answers but I'll pretend that I don't.

First, I really don't believe that comparing illustration with full games are the same, I don't know how buying illustrations in that page works but if it works as I think, before buying the illustration you can see the full product (because it's just a picture that you can see and that's all) but with a game you only got to see some images, and those images aren't the full game so I can't know if I will enjoy it based just on some random images. Why would I buy a product if I'm not sure if I will enjoy it?

Now, Steven gain a lot of visivility thanks to F59. Their work reached more people who wants to support them. More people is buying Steven's work even if those people know that they can get it for free, but they choose to suport Steven's work because they think it's worth it. Steven is very happy.

Maurice is marketing his art, then the asshole from Giouchi picks Maurice's work, claims ownership and sell Maurice's work as if he was the artist and not Maurice without even telling to Maurice before doing that or sharing his earning with Maurice. Maurice never was aware of that italian douchebag. He found out thanks to a good place like F95. Maurice feels robbed and Giouchi is an asshole trying to defend himself.

Really dude, I wouldn't have a problem with your page if you cut that selling crap of your page, set a real Patreon account and accept donations for the translations without hiding them behind a paywall as long as you ask for permission or reach an agreement with every dev.

 

[u z i]

Also the number of your patrons fits perfectly the number of the neurons in your brain

Come on guys it's easy, why is so difficult for you to understand? Let's pretend there are two artist, Steven and Maurice.

Steven is a talented artist, so he decide to earn from his work. He starts selling some of his illustrations on Deviant art. They are really good creations, so people buy them and Steven can finally pay the bills. Then arrive an user of F59area, he buy the illustrations of Steven and he upload them on the site. F59 is a very famous site, and now people can download the illustrations for free instead of pay for them. So now nobody buys the Steven's creations anymore. Steven can no longer pay the bills. Steven is very sad.

Maurice is an emerging artist and an huge fan of Marvel's universe. He publish his comics for free on a lot of websites in english language, in order to reach as many people as possible. He also open a Patreon's page to get some support for his work. Then arrive the admin of Giuochi Spremium. He download the comics of Maurice, he translate the text in italian and he sell them on his website. The italian users of Giuochi Spremium decide to buy the comics of Maurice, because italian guys are dumbs and easly get tired of reading texts in english. Italian users appreciate Maurice's art, they would never have known it if it wasn't for GS. Some of them appreciate the comics so much that decide to support Maurice on Patreon. Maurice sees his earnings grow. Maurice can finally buy the Black Widow's sexy action figure he liked so much. Maurice is very happy.

clearly you have no idea what f95zone is. so people are uploading games here for free and the developers of the pirated games are active on this very same site? brilliant.

 

[muttdoggy]

Silvio Berlusconi - Are you affiliated with Giochi Premium?

 

[Turtlesweater42]

Again, not sure if you are actually believing what you said or you're just trolling. To be honest I think I know the answers but I'll pretend that I don't.

First, I really don't believe that comparing illustration with full games are the same, I don't know how buying illustrations in that page works but if it works as I think, before buying the illustration you can see the full product (because it's just a picture that you can see and that's all) but with a game you only got to see some images, and those images aren't the full game so I can't know if I will enjoy it based just on some random images. Why would I buy a product if I'm not sure if I will enjoy it?

Now, Steven gain a lot of visivility thanks to F59. Their work reached more people who wants to support them. More people is buying Steven's work even if those people know that they can get it for free, but they choose to suport Steven's work because they think it's worth it. Steven is very happy.

Maurice is marketing his art, then the asshole from Giouchi picks Maurice's work, claims ownership and sell Maurice's work as if he was the artist and not Maurice without even telling to Maurice before doing that or sharing his earning with Maurice. Maurice never was aware of that italian douchebag. He found out thanks to a good place like F95. Maurice feels robbed and Giouchi is an asshole trying to defend himself.

Really dude, I wouldn't have a problem with your page if you cut that selling crap of your page, set a real Patreon account and accept donations for the translations without hiding them behind a paywall as long as you ask for permission or reach an agreement with every dev.

are you trying to get another person in trouble for "trolling" dude?!? like wtf is your problem seriously???

 

[naughtyroad]

(...)
Then arrive the admin of Giuochi Spremium. He download the comics of Maurice, he translate the text in italian and he sell them on his website. (...) Italian users appreciate Maurice's art, they would never have known it if it wasn't for GS. (...)

You just a dense little troll and not worthy of the platform this discussion is giving you, so this is my last comment on this before I press "ignore" and let you howl to the moon in solitude.

If you want to "help" to people who are having trouble with English, you do it LIKE THIS FINE GENTLEMAN, and then you get my thanks, a custom piece of art, and a link from *my* pages with a thank you for your effort. In addition you have my blessing to put up a Patreon link or something similar if you'd want to.

If you put my stuff behind your paywall, you can expect a cease and desist on account of breaking *my* license terms; not for modifying it or making a buck while doing so, but for not distributing it freely.