Despair depends on empathy attribute. Rape is particularly harsh for sensitive slaves. Still, I've made a couple of further tweaks to reduce angst impacts for Tremendio and rape. Thanks for the feedback.
QSP Jack-o-Nine-Tails [v2.3] [ImperatorAugustusTertius / qwertyu12359]
Hey, I had a look at the code, and I'm wondering that if I'm missing something. As far as I can see, Devotion will increase as long as the mood is positive; rules >= 3; each of Taming, Awareness, Habit above Devotion - I.E one of each initially; Fear and pride < 5.
Is there something I'm missing in regards to requiring high obedience?
Devotion is a continuum.
No Devotion
Wavering
Dutiful
Loyal
Devoted
Worshipful
Overnight increases are capped by other aura stats as you saw. Many rewards directly increase devotion however, so overnight increases (which were the only way to build devotion in 1.2.1) have less significance now.
As an experiment, I tried to sell a slave to the colosseum. If at the set price, they give 1500 sparks, with a discount of 900, but, suddenly, trying to bargain for the best price, they give 0.
I will note that later I tried, they give the same 1500. It is not clear what was at that moment.
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You only need 1 in each though which you can get on turn 1 or 2. Once you get 1 devotion training is trivial.
It's funny, all this time I have been playing I didn't realise you needed 3 rules or less than 5 fear to build devotion. I just assumed it was something that built when you had high obedience and mood.
I tried a cheese strat to try to raise devotion ASAP and it seems extremely op. First raised fear to 2 while all aura stats got to 1. Set Rules Deny Orgasm, Masturbation, Cook. Sundress, Slippers. Made sure she went to bed optimistic each night. Sent to random school/tutor subjects. Didn't get any high-level rewards. 11 days she got 1 devotion, which let me train sex skills for high-level reward spam. 17 days 2 devotion, fear reduced, Ecstatic mood, S+ results every time. The trainer was new and crappy. Slave stats don't matter after you get her to act as cook, as long as pride is not too high.
I'm gonna mess with the code in my game and make high (max?) obedience a prerequisite to building devotion while removing the rule and fear requirements - and possibly the pride(?) - as they seem a bit unintuitive and arbitrary to me. Not sure many players might like how hard that might be though haha.
Adjusting the overnight formula won't affect much unless you make it the only way to raise devotion.
It's quite hard to get high-tier rewards now with a disobedient slave w/o the spell. I got 1 devotion in 11 days just with overnight gains in my example. Slave was like -6 red disobedience when she got 1 devotion lol.
On latest master-ia/master-ia-patch, I've added a positive obedience requirement to the overnight devotion formula and lowered the threshold for overnight devotion loss due to despair.
I also added an interim fix for the bargaining issue.
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So I tried a new run with this new branch in hardcore with no skillpoint investment and yep it's possible, in fact I made it out of the slums so can confirm it's doable.
At some point I got lucky with the RNG and bought a D- slave direct from the auction, the downside being she was mentally broken, so I did concubine training with her and after she got the requirements I turned her back to normal, problem is, as I was training her for concubine my plan was to rise her nature using only orgasms timing the last one to be the 10th point, but instead of leveling up her nature it went back to 0 again, so I had to do the entertain me thing to turn her back to normal, is this intended or is it a bug?
At some point I got lucky with the RNG and bought a D- slave direct from the auction, the downside being she was mentally broken, so I did concubine training with her and after she got the requirements I turned her back to normal, problem is, as I was training her for concubine my plan was to rise her nature using only orgasms timing the last one to be the 10th point, but instead of leveling up her nature it went back to 0 again, so I had to do the entertain me thing to turn her back to normal, is this intended or is it a bug?
Are you mixing up nature and temperament? If a slave is broken, you have to build up nature first before the other attributes can rise.
Hey guys, I made a personal mini balance mod if anyone wants to try. Basically, I wanted to make training high-attribute slaves a real challenge initially, while reducing the tedium of grinding skills for the high levels.
Changelog:
Made overnight devotion gain require 6 obedience - this is basically the challenge of the game on hard!
Devotion gain no longer blocked by too high pride, fear, or too few rules.
Very low mood increases despair more overnight.
Forcing rules cause less despair.
Despair lowers slightly slower.
Devotion lowers fear quicker.
Removed all basic skill and sex skill requirements. No longer do you have to grind a bunch of random skills! Just focus on building Obedience, Devotion, Attributes, and your Contract-Specific requirements! No more carpal tunnel!
Things I wanna do/try (I'm a noob coder):
Make rape less impactfull, both in positive and negative effects.
Maybe even add a new, 'sexual abuse' punishment category, and make rape work like any other punishment.
If anyone wants to mess about with it just say and I can upload the files.
Changelog:
Made overnight devotion gain require 6 obedience - this is basically the challenge of the game on hard!
Devotion gain no longer blocked by too high pride, fear, or too few rules.
Very low mood increases despair more overnight.
Forcing rules cause less despair.
Despair lowers slightly slower.
Devotion lowers fear quicker.
Removed all basic skill and sex skill requirements. No longer do you have to grind a bunch of random skills! Just focus on building Obedience, Devotion, Attributes, and your Contract-Specific requirements! No more carpal tunnel!
Things I wanna do/try (I'm a noob coder):
Make rape less impactfull, both in positive and negative effects.
Maybe even add a new, 'sexual abuse' punishment category, and make rape work like any other punishment.
If anyone wants to mess about with it just say and I can upload the files.
Congratulations on becoming a modder.
> Made overnight devotion gain require 6 obedience - this is basically the challenge of the game on hard!
Did you choose 6 based on a specific combination of attributes and aura stats? If you set this too high, you are making fear a mandatory aura stat to build devotion, which blocks no-fear/no-punish reward-only training. (Of course, as long as there are still other ways to raise devotion, it's only a soft block.)
> Devotion gain no longer blocked by too high pride, fear, or too few rules.
A slave who isn't asked to follow any rules is left to her own devices outside the times when the slaver is commanding or training her. Even if that is only overnight, it means she isn't being required to have the slaver's expectations or desires in mind at all times, which is what devotion is really about -- replacing the slave's morality - her internal view of what is good or bad - with "whatever the master wants is what I want."
High pride is the slave believing herself superior, which similarly goes against the development of a slave morality.
High fear is the slave spending every waking moment in suspense anticipating that she will be tortured. She needs to be able to relax sometimes (less than max fear) to reflect on the positives of her situation and begin forming a belief that maybe being a slave for the rest of her life is a good thing.
> Very low mood increases despair more overnight.
> Forcing rules cause less despair.
> Despair lowers slightly slower.
Passive (mood) = more impact, active (forcing rules) = less impact. This seems counter-intuitive.
How do you expect players to adjust their gameplay based on these changes?
> Devotion lowers fear quicker.
What prompted you to make this change?
> Removed all basic skill and sex skill requirements. No longer do you have to grind a bunch of random skills! Just focus on building Obedience, Devotion, Attributes, and your Contract-Specific requirements! No more carpal tunnel!
Can you elaborate what you did here? It's hardly random to expect a higher-ranked slave to be skilled in multiple areas. Clicking three different skills vs. clicking one skill three times = same number of clicks. This calls into question your "no more carpal tunnel" claim.
> Make rape less impactfull, both in positive and negative effects.
> Maybe even add a new, 'sexual abuse' punishment category, and make rape work like any other punishment.
It was deliberately made more impactful in 2.2. Rape is psychological torture, which may or may not be paired with physical torture. Rape victims can see themselves as permanently "defiled" and experience dissociation / self-betrayal ("my body is sending me pleasure signals while I am screaming NO"). With non-sexual torture, the victim "only" has to deal with pain, not pleasure (unless masochist).
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Uh... yes... my bad
So is intended, I just thought it was weird given that the game says that the sum of both traits have to be more than 2, it never specifies that you have to rise one before the other.
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Hi, Developers, i'll want to give a bit bug report. I have met a two bugs in version 2.2.1 dev of this game:
1) I cant use more than one of barn/dungeon/crio extensions in my house. If I rent both or all of them I cant switch windows between of them in window in my house. Menu business>barn doesn't work correctly.
2) my egglayer slave inseminated but she is dont egglayring
1) I cant use more than one of barn/dungeon/crio extensions in my house. If I rent both or all of them I cant switch windows between of them in window in my house. Menu business>barn doesn't work correctly.
2) my egglayer slave inseminated but she is dont egglayring