VN Ren'Py Jessica O'Neil's Hard News [v0.65] [stoperArt]

[Chucked_Sandwich]

Just to recap, as the start of April he said hopefully out by end of month, with a 3 week sickness its now not sure.

Hows everyones maths today?

 

[umby]

That's a good question. Let's see how we can determine if Stoper is "slow" or other devs are "fast".

So, we need something we can measure and something we can put in relationship with other devs.

The easiest way would be the amount of renders per update in relation to the amount of time needed to create the new content aka production time between updates.

If we use above calculation the answer will be crystal clear: Stoper being slow as fuck.

But at the same time above calculation is inaccurate. Because we narrowed it down to something we easily can see with our eyes and count with our minds. But what about all the processes we do not see? The time an artist need to set up a scene, the complexity of the scene, postworking a scene due to clipping or bad assets? How to we measure this? Actually we can't, because each scene or even each render needs a different time to create.

Means, we need to extent our above formula and add an average time for creating a single render. Then we also need to use a weighted-average multiplier which shows the the depth of quality per render (ie. 1 for low, 2 for medium and 3 for high quality).

As you can see it isn't easy to compare devs with each others, because of the complex nature of creating a single render. But what we can do is compare the time and amount Stoper needs between each updates and then setting up our own benchmark.

However, even measured on a Stoper specific benchmark the result wouldn't be 100% correct due to immeasurable processes.

in fact, I asked myself this existential question on the basis of your analysis. It is true that there are many variants to consider, however I cannot understand why even with the same rendering there are creators who manage to release the game in two months to the maximum two and a half months. Unfortunately there are not many considerations to make in my opinion and I can therefore hypothesize (in a realistic way) that the other creators are organized in 2 or 3 people. The stoper reders are very accurate and really well done we know this. However, stoper himself said in some posts that the work on single and single renders is not the longest and most complicated of all. So what remains? Well we'll never know.

 

[Tulrek]

in fact, I asked myself this existential question on the basis of your analysis. It is true that there are many variants to consider, however I cannot understand why even with the same rendering there are creators who manage to release the game in two months to the maximum two and a half months. Unfortunately there are not many considerations to make in my opinion and I can therefore hypothesize (in a realistic way) that the other creators are organized in 2 or 3 people. The stoper reders are very accurate and really well done we know this. However, stoper himself said in some posts that the work on single and single renders is not the longest and most complicated of all. So what remains? Well we'll never know.

From previous exchange with Stoper, he told me that details was what take him so much time.
Do natural poses for the caracters, hairs and clipping clothes.
There must be a lot of more things that take him a long time.
You add all those and... Volià !

Can you name me the games which have the same quality of renders that are update in 2.5 months ?
I'm interested.

 

[umby]

From previous exchange with Stoper, he told me that details was what take him so much time.
Do natural poses for the caracters, hairs and clipping clothes.
There must be a lot of more things that take him a long time.
You add all those and... Volià !

Can you name me the games which have the same quality of renders that are update in 2.5 months ?
I'm interested.

you can find as many as you want on this site

 

[mma456]

From previous exchange with Stoper, he told me that details was what take him so much time.
Do natural poses for the caracters, hairs and clipping clothes.
There must be a lot of more things that take him a long time.
You add all those and... Volià !

Can you name me the games which have the same quality of renders that are update in 2.5 months ?
I'm interested.

Yeah as far as I can remember I know stoper mentioning that it didn't take him long to make scenes and renders and how most of the time that took him was applying realistic physics for clothes and maybe hair. He also said something along the lines of how he would work with someone to handle the clothes for faster updates but the problem is that he hasn't found anyone who is skilled or that he didn't really know how to look for one.

 

[stoper]

...and that's what the slut path is unfortunately missing.

There are no "paths" in the game. You make the decisions for Jessica. If you don't want her to jump on an old man's dick, don't make her do it.

 

[Catherine1972]

you can find as many as you want on this site

Not agree !
With the same quality ? I mean progression, history, construction of the characters, evolution of their personality and their thoughts, eroticism, porn ...

There are a lot of good and very good quality games. But like JOHN? Apart from AWAM?
I play other games, so I'm not blind. I can not find any that combines all the qualities. Yes, they have an asset, very often. But several advantages like these? No.

 

[umby]

Not agree !
With the same quality ? I mean progression, history, construction of the characters, evolution of their personality and their thoughts, eroticism, porn ...

There are a lot of good and very good quality games. But like JOHN? Apart from AWAM?
I play other games, so I'm not blind. I can not find any that combines all the qualities. Yes, they have an asset, very often. But several advantages like these? No.

ADVENTURES OF WILLY D, for now this comes to mind but there can be others safely, the renders in this game are also of great quality and if you consider the animations inside you understand what I mean. Also add that this is a point and click adventure and we did bingo. Mine is not a real criticism but I would like to understand better

 

[Geko1711]

Not agree !
With the same quality ? I mean progression, history, construction of the characters, evolution of their personality and their thoughts, eroticism, porn ...

There are a lot of good and very good quality games. But like JOHN? Apart from AWAM?
I play other games, so I'm not blind. I can not find any that combines all the qualities. Yes, they have an asset, very often. But several advantages like these? No.

It's a matter of taste of course but I think broken dreams are at that level as a rendering and they are a bit faster than JHON and AWAM sure. If then Stoper has a maniacal regard for the stocking put in this position or the color of the shirt it takes on or the buckle that falls in a certain way or the lipstick that must be pale pink and another pink. These are details that few or no notice is obvious that it wastes a lot of time. As usual, it would be necessary to mediate between things to reach an update of 3 months and not of 6 last release at the end of January and we will see you at the end of July if all goes well I am talking about definitive updates.

 

[Catherine1972]

It's a matter of taste of course but I think broken dreams are at that level as a rendering and they are a bit faster than JHON and AWAM sure. If then Stoper has a maniacal regard for the stocking put in this position or the color of the shirt it takes on or the buckle that falls in a certain way or the lipstick that must be pale pink and another pink. These are details that few or no notice is obvious that it wastes a lot of time. As usual, it would be necessary to mediate between things to reach an update of 3 months and not of 6 last release at the end of January and we will see you at the end of July if all goes well I am talking about definitive updates.

Agree, it's all about taste ... and finding our desires in VNs.
And in the end ... we forget about waiting to appreciate the quality of what we have in front of our eyes. Because otherwise there would be someone to say "aaah Stoper has lowered his quality standards"

And above all it is about StoperART

 

[Geko1711]

Agree, it's all about taste ... and finding our desires in NVs.
And in the end ... we forget about waiting to appreciate the quality of what we have in front of our eyes. Because otherwise there would be someone to say "aaah Stoper has lowered his quality standards"

And above all it is about StoperART

Now Stoper can no longer go back by lowering the quality levels is obvious, but not even be so obsessed because you reach a point of no return and you will get worse and worse.

 

[Catherine1972]

Now Stoper can no longer go back by lowering the quality levels is obvious, but not even be so obsessed because you reach a point of no return and you will get worse and worse.

Obsessed ? Maniacal ? Perfectionist ? Precise? Artist?
It is a question of vocabulary and point of view.
I give up making everyone agree

 

[riMaec]

a walkthrough already exists

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This is a COMMUNITY! You should be grateful even if that was the 10th WT of the game ...

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[cold_arctus]

however I cannot understand why even with the same rendering there are creators who manage to release the game in two months to the maximum two and a half months.

The games I know that are close to Stoper's quality do not release updates in 2 or 2,5 months. But I also don't play that many games anymore.

 

[Uncultured Degenrate]

any update after day 11?

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

any update after day 11?

no

 

[TeamEquipe]

Okay, I'm playing the slutty path and I think I will quit doing that and play the normal path instead. Slut is not enough to characterize Jessica in current path though. She's more an nymphomaniac whore who's getting her pussy flooded as soon as a man or woman touch her and mind me if she get to see a dick or pussy (even tiny ones) she go totally crazy. So what's wrong with this picture and the story? Which by the way is pretty thinly sandwiched between all the fucking scenes. The problem is that this kind of woman is a product the Devs (usually men) kinky and perverted minds which is okay in this environment (F95zone). Who cares about reality here anyway as long as there is a lot of nude and fuck LOL. The game is very well made though with gorgeous renders and very well made animations. The only interesting thing is the vigilante story line. I think I can predict that one too though , it kinda points toward Connors. That will make Jess exited again since it seems as she thinks that he's boring now LOL. That's another thing, why the f..k is she more interested in and thinking about that fat slob for a mayor when she has sex with her wonderful BF with a nice dick at home. I guess it's another perversion as having sex with an really old guy and soon she will probably do it with that young fat at the office that haven't even done it before,. That is a little too much to believe in.
So I wish the slut path wasn't so exaggerated so that you even get tired of all the sex. It all becomes so monotone and predictable with time.
Well I wish I could meet a woman like her anyway and get some lovin' lol. Not as a GF though, who want's a GF that fucks everything that moves (poor Connors)? But it's kinda sexy with girls that gets horny and take initiatives, but hey.....there has to be some limits and that's what the slut path is unfortunately missing.
Well I better quit complaining and get back to the start and the "normal" path LMAO

IMO, Connor being the vigilante is far too easy. Besides, the vigilante was already in action before Connor returned to town. If anything I suspect that where Connor works is a front for a group of people who are carrying out these vigiante attacks. Connor could now be one of those.

With regard to her interaction with the Mayor (and possibly in the future the Senator (or was it Congressman?) power, influence, wealth can be great aphrodisiacs to some women. She felt it on her first visit to the Mayor's office and it's only escalated since. THere's no doubt that she loves Connor but she has already said her relationship with him has faltered since his return. Could be it's her more than him that's changed, especially since she got her new job.

I'm not wishing to be critical, but I would ask you how many times you have played the game, and have you gone through ALL the possibilities, not just your chosen path?

I do agree with you about Tommy though. My thoughts were going along the line of Tommy's friend (the one she sent that saucy picture of herself to) as being someone who could spark some kind of interest at the LARP event rather than Tommy himself.

 

[cold_arctus]

IMO, Connor being the vigilante is far too easy. Besides, the vigilante was already in action before Connor returned to town. If anything I suspect that where Connor works is a front for a group of people who are carrying out these vigiante attacks. Connor could now be one of those.

With regard to her interaction with the Mayor (and possibly in the future the Senator (or was it Congressman?) power, influence, wealth can be great aphrodisiacs to some women. She felt it on her first visit to the Mayor's office and it's only escalated since. THere's no doubt that she loves Connor but she has already said her relationship with him has faltered since his return. Could be it's her more than him that's changed, especially since she got her new job.

Connor should die. Hold on, hear me out:

I personally don't have a problem with Connor as character at all, but him being killed - maybe by a criminal gang etc. - could push Jessica to the edge to investigate the "accident", because the local PD isn't doing their job.

All of this can be linked to the mayor who wants to become the next Senator/Congressman, who is involved in a long ongoing corruption affair between him and business partners (construction companies, banks etc.). The group of vigilantes could be payed by one those groups too, to secure that the mayor/senator/congressman stays in the office.

 

[TeamEquipe]

ADVENTURES OF WILLY D, for now this comes to mind but there can be others safely, the renders in this game are also of great quality and if you consider the animations inside you understand what I mean. Also add that this is a point and click adventure and we did bingo. Mine is not a real criticism but I would like to understand better

Seriously?
Based on your claim, I've just had a look. I haven't downloaded the game but based on the teasers on Page 1 they are not even in the same stratosphere of quality!
There are other games of comparable quality out there, but this certainly isn't one of them

 

[TeamEquipe]

Connor should die. Hold on, hear me out:

I personally don't have a problem with Connor as character at all, but him being killed - maybe by a criminal gang etc. - could push Jessica to the edge to investigate the "accident", because the local PD isn't doing their job.

All of this can be linked to the mayor who wants to become the next Senator/Congressman, who is involved in a long ongoing corruption affair between him and business partners (construction companies, banks etc.). The group of vigilantes could be payed by one those groups too, to secure that the mayor/senator/congressman stays in the office.

At the fundraising gala, which route did you play?

I only ask because if you didn't go with Connor and Shani you missed quite a lot