well if he did that then he wouldn't have time to dev game.
Like I said, if the only way to get infos about the game and its development process is to pay, that's the wrong approach. It's terrible marketing and won't help anyone. But I guess some people fail to understand that, so the easiest thing for them is to call that "whining".
- DrPinkCake once got banned from F95
Wait, seriously? I know there was a huge shitstorm about it, but I didn't know it went that far. In retrospect, I should have.
It's not always devs but modders too. Here a post from a famous Modder:
Yes, he told me about it on Discord a long time ago.
Correct. At first they were fine with F95 but they got tired of all the complains about broken Android ports and modded games. Same goes for DPC and why he started to add a bunch of counter-measurements against modifications and android ports into his scripts.
Why? And what's that got to do with harassment and hate in PM's?
Again, has nothing to do with harassment and hate in PM's, and apparently you don't even know.
What's that supposed to mean? Mods harassed him?
That's a very valid reason to abandon this place, indeed.
Could very well be the reason I pointed out in a previous post of mine. Doesn't tell me anything.
Again, that doesn't mean anything. Also, I've been a Patreon a long time ago, and if anyone on your list would come close to a milkman, it's this guy. Acts like a kid in his forum rants, can't keep his promises, blatantly lies in peoples faces.
Erm...Yeah, right.
Coming from the guy calling criticism "whining". Good job.
No need to discuss this further since the topic belongs to the off-topic section.
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Dude you are joking, pretty much every dev you said there is doing good or very good on their patreon now, so they don't "need" this site anymore, i remember when pretty much everyone of them were here "begging" for support and you come here to say they left cuz of toxicity, no they retreat themselves in their ivory towers where evrything is nice and cozi now that are doing good financially...
But what exactly are you criticizing? That someone doesn't want to post here or answer someone's questions? That someone doesn't sit all day on a pirate forum where most people download games for free and don't reply to their messages? This is what you call bad marketing? It is simple. If you want new information, you have to pay or wait until someone wants to share it here. Otherwise the whole idea of Patreon wouldn't make any sense and the devs wouldn't make any money from their games. And it works the other way too. If you don't like something or someone's behavior, you don't pay any money for it. Apparently, Stoper earns enough that he no longer has to spend a lot of time here and interact with all the users. Besides, I'm sure most of the people here know what JOHN is. And I think that most of them already know more or less how Stoper works and what to expect from him. In my opinion, the problem in this case is not the lack or poor communication of Stoper on this forum, but the long waiting for the next update.
Without F95 and other website's free PR, he would hardly have any supporters at all. I never said that he's supposed to sit here all day, I'm criticizing that he's basically abandoned the platform that made his current income possible after his project became somewhat popular. So yes, I am criticizing the lack of communication as it's the main reason this thread is pretty much dead in my opinion. This might work for other games, but here it doesn't seem to do the trick because the community is currently not big enough. I'm also criticizing previously made statements. Statements which give people hope, who then put their trust into the developer just so they get disappointed when it turns out that it didn't mean anything and it's just empty words (no, I'm not solely referring to the screenshot I took earlier). Obviously without his talent and work nothing here would be possible either, but you get my point hopefully.
2 updates per year with 10 min gameplay, impressive consistency, indeed, i've been supporting his patreon for quite some time, decided it's not worth it in the end and with how things are going with this update i've been proven that i made the right choice
well said, i've been his patreon and the lack of communication/slow updates are the reason i decided to stop supporting him, it's simply not worth it, 2 updates a year for a total of 10-15 mins gameplay is laughable, if stoper was faster at producing updates and had a proper communication he would be one of the highest earning game developers there is, the quality of his work is superb, but it is what it is, maybe he isn't interested in earning a living off this or he is simply satisfied with where he is at currently, there are also people in life that are happy with having average income and don't strive for more in life. i am not gonna speculate, just my thoughts.Without F95 and other website's free PR, he would hardly have any supporters at all. I never said that he's supposed to sit here all day, I'm criticizing that he's basically abandoned the platform that made his current income possible after his project became somewhat popular. So yes, I am criticizing the lack of communication as it's the main reason this thread is pretty much dead in my opinion. This might work for other games, but here it doesn't seem to do the trick because the community is currently not big enough. I'm also criticizing previously made statements. Statements which give people hope, who then put their trust into the developer just so they get disappointed when it turns out that it didn't mean anything and it's just empty words (no, I'm not solely referring to the screenshot I took earlier). Obviously without his talent and work nothing here would be possible either, but you get my point hopefully.
Also, pretty much any company working on a product, be it a game or whatever, keeps their community, fans and customers alike informed in some way or another. And that is without having to pay for it. This is what I call a good marketing strategy, because it essentially increases the interest in your product, causing more people to possibly pay for it in the end. One could argue that he's fine with the amount of money his Patreon page generates at the moment, but then we're basically back to what I said above, and that would just be disappointing. If you think the idea of Patreon is to spread information, then I really don't know what to tell you.
Yes, the long wait for updates (against all of Stopers statements on pretty much every update) is another issue I criticize. But that's something his paying customers should be more worried about and not me, the dirty pirate. Doesn't mean I won't mention it, though.
Edit: I understand why some fans and paying customers would call me a hater or a "lonely troll", but that's not my intention. I do love JOHN and I appreciate Stoper's art and the work he puts into this project, but that shouldn't make him immune to criticism. Anyway, thanks for a somewhat reasonable reply, Filip. Wish I could say the same about some other comments, too.
I understand what you mean, but I just can't agree with you.Without F95 and other website's free PR, he would hardly have any supporters at all. I never said that he's supposed to sit here all day, I'm criticizing that he's basically abandoned the platform that made his current income possible after his project became somewhat popular. So yes, I am criticizing the lack of communication as it's the main reason this thread is pretty much dead in my opinion. This might work for other games, but here it doesn't seem to do the trick because the community is currently not big enough. I'm also criticizing previously made statements. Statements which give people hope, who then put their trust into the developer just so they get disappointed when it turns out that it didn't mean anything and it's just empty words (no, I'm not solely referring to the screenshot I took earlier). Obviously without his talent and work nothing here would be possible either, but you get my point hopefully.
Also, pretty much any company working on a product, be it a game or whatever, keeps their community, fans and customers alike informed in some way or another. And that is without having to pay for it. This is what I call a good marketing strategy, because it essentially increases the interest in your product, causing more people to possibly pay for it in the end. One could argue that he's fine with the amount of money his Patreon page generates at the moment, but then we're basically back to what I said above, and that would just be disappointing. If you think the idea of Patreon is to spread information, then I really don't know what to tell you.
Yes, the long wait for updates (against all of Stopers statements on pretty much every update) is another issue I criticize. But that's something his paying customers should be more worried about and not me, the dirty pirate. Doesn't mean I won't mention it, though.
Edit: I understand why some fans and paying customers would call me a hater or a "lonely troll", but that's not my intention. I do love JOHN and I appreciate Stoper's art and the work he puts into this project, but that shouldn't make him immune to criticism. Anyway, thanks for a somewhat reasonable reply, Filip. Wish I could say the same about some other comments, too.
As for the idea of Patreon, I just meant that those fans who pay money every month receive regular messages or other information from Stoper there and can see how the game is progressing. And if someone doesn't like the way Stoper communicates with his fans, or doesn’t do it regularly, you can just stop paying money. It just seems to me that since Stoper himself so rarely adds posts here, it means that he apparently does not need it any more. There are other platforms where he posts regularly, I think. Yes, you are right that marketing, contact with fans is important, but you have to remember that it is not a big company. And this is his game, his product, so I don't understand how I could complain about his marketing strategy (if he has one ). In the end, only he gains or loses from it. So even if thanks to this forum his game has become more popular, I am still able to understand the fact that he doesn't need f95 as much as at the beginning, so maybe that's why he spends so little time on this forum now. But these are just my thoughts.
I think stoper has always said that he does not care about the gain.
C'mon man let's not be kids here, i know you a fan of his but please don't try to patronize us, he cares for the money too cuz if he wouldn't care like you say he would put only a symbolic 1 dollar donation on his patreon page or even let this game without any donation at all and that's how you show you don't care about the "gain"...
