It's a one time project until the next one time project lol. I get that devs wanna avoid burnout but there's no way im supporting someone that barely updates their game and spends time on additional projects.This is only one-time project, it's not continuous like Paola or Apocalypse Chronicles, so chill.
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You don't have to support him every months if you want to support him, but only the months of release for instance
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I was right, it's 2 boys. One is a femboy thoughYou must be registered to see the links
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Hi, everyone.
Here's the bonus set I was working on. I think it came out pretty nice. There's no particular story to it, everyone can come up their own. Is the woman a teacher, a neighbor, an aunt... You tell me.
There is gay content in the FULL set, so I made a trimmed package without these images as well for people who are sensitive on the subject.
Young Trio FULL
Young Trio TRIMMED
Enjoy it, and let me know what you think.
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Yeah for those who are interested... delayed JOHN/Paola release for that, cmon man
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IN my mind i never even expected a release in november. I think that most people who are following this game did not expect it either. From the start i thought that we will be lucky if we get it this year. You could see that in his progress updates where he says nothing about the release date yet at all. And long time followers know that even when he sets a release date you should add a couple of weeks to that. So i will be happy if we get the update sometime in the middle of December.
I don't have any incentive to support a developer who barely releases content for the main game while also releasing unrelated content is my point.
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Hi, everyone.
Here's the bonus set I was working on. I think it came out pretty nice. There's no particular story to it, everyone can come up their own. Is the woman a teacher, a neighbor, an aunt... You tell me.
There is gay content in the FULL set, so I made a trimmed package without these images as well for people who are sensitive on the subject.
Young Trio FULL
Young Trio TRIMMED
Enjoy it, and let me know what you think.
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Yeah for those who are interested... delayed JOHN/Paola release for that, cmon man
very bad news folks, if stoper admits to having delayed the update I do not foresee any updates in a short time. As for the new set of images, well, I knew that sooner or later he would give in on this type of content it was just a matter of time, I have nothing against it is clear, I just don't like them. I just hope they don't become a constant ...
Guys listen. Everybody wants a new update ( me included) but realistically if you work on just one thing exclusively for a long time you tend to burn out really quickly. I know this all to well working 6 days a week. With artists it tends to happen quicker ( I am a published poet so I speak from experience). Everyone just chill and let the process play out. Getting mad and throwing tantrums won't change anything, trust me. And yes I am a former supporter of Stopers just for transparency
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Sure but he said himself that he'll focus on john this time to release an update faster. And he could still work on john for a few months, then work on another thing for a few weeks after the release. It's sad he can't even commit to john for a few months even though he wanted to
Things change, he might have wanted to and then got burned out. I mean you have 2 choices, a rushed update (clearly not rushed time-wise but rushed as far as he was able to focus on the game) or waiting for a good update. So far I really like the game but yes it is taking forever and its frustrating. However I would rather not have wasted all that time waiting for an update thats no good so I will wait and play other games.
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Hi, everyone.
Here's the bonus set I was working on. I think it came out pretty nice. There's no particular story to it, everyone can come up their own. Is the woman a teacher, a neighbor, an aunt... You tell me.
There is gay content in the FULL set, so I made a trimmed package without these images as well for people who are sensitive on the subject.
Young Trio FULL
Young Trio TRIMMED
Enjoy it, and let me know what you think.
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Yeah for those who are interested... delayed JOHN/Paola release for that, cmon man
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That's all fine and dandy, but I don't think burnout or quality updates are the main issues here. It's one thing to delay updates because of burnout (which is an issue that should be communicated to his paying supporters if that's the case btw.), other side projects or higher quality updates with more content provided, thus more development time required. But the problems, as I see it, are based on poor project management. Telling Patreons that your next update will likely be ready within 2-3 months, then doubling or even tripling the amount of development time. Or, like dolfe67 said, making statements about focussing on the game's development without any side projects in the way to further reduce development time, then somehow end up working on all kinds of bonus sets and renders which have literally nothing to do with the game itself. Those are just two examples of terrible project management, and most of us know that this list has become quite long in "recent" updates. I can totally see why this could make people lose faith in their developer, especially those who support him financially.
What makes it even worse are statements coming from Stoper regarding another VN developer (AWAM) and his work processes some time ago, which can be seen 5-6 pages back I believe. Like ViperDonkey said, it seems like they've learned quite alot from eachother.
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It's not a matter of getting mad or throwing tantrums,just putting stopers work habits or lack thereof out there and everybody can form there own opinions.
all I know is I would like this game to continue and I am not interested in ripping for the delays. I have other things I can do and it is not the end of the world that the game isn't getting more updates quicker. I am not donating so I have no right to complain and I would suggest that ONLY people who are donating have something to bitch about
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if I remember correctly, the meaning of stoper's answer was not that.
he generally intended that a reasonable time for each update would be 2-3 months.
but that wasn't his case.
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I get your frustration with low effort post that just bitch incessantly, but I feel like you're going too far in the other direction. I think there are ample reasons to criticize Stoper's project management skills at this point. Any artist producing a product for public consumption is going to catch criticism, and acting as if everyone should just shut up unless they have nice things to say is unreasonable. For a short time I did support him on Patreon, but it became clear that he was too inconsistent and flakey to justify my continued support. And that's the kind of feedback that he needs to hear.
More broadly I think the AVG industry is suffering from two related epidemics.
- An epidemic of low quality games- most of the games on the AVG industry are low effort shovelware. While they fill a very basic need, I think they make good games like JOHN stand out more clearly. Very few games come close to approaching JOHN in terms of overall quality. So a starved audience gravitates to a handful of games, with few alternatives.
- An epidemic failure in project management- Of the few games like JOHN, almost all in my experience struggle to balance ambition and reality. This is the most fundamental issue in project management. Players are left completely at the whim of devs that seem incapable of setting and sticking to a release schedule. We aren't talking about missing a release by a few days or a week, we're talking about a completely undefined time period. To his credit, Stoper has discussed openly how he changes the scope of each update late into the development cycle. I appreciate the honesty, but that's a horrible approach to managing your project. So we're left with games that feel like they're lost in space for months.
To me it is clear to see why these threads fill up with discontented players. The nature of the market feeds a toxic response that is neither healthy or helpful, but it's entirely predictable.
But again, I agree with you that there are too many low effort shit posters and it gets frustrating.
Stoper has always been slow. He also gets distracted making other things. He eventually delivers high quality content.
He's never going to produce content on a reliable schedule. Yet he's also not specifically blueballing people or milking the game; he's just slow and scattered.
I feel like people could look at the history for this game and either accept that's how stoper works or move on, including whether to support him on patreon. He definitely could make more money if he had better management, but stoper also hasn't given the impression that he even wants to release on a reliable schedule. I think he likes approaching art like this on his terms.
The art in this game is incredible, and I hope stoper continues to work on it. However if I were stoper, I'd pretty much never visit the negativity in this thread. If I did visit, I'd really be unmotivated to work on high quality art for people who are just going to yell at me because I'm slow and not making enough content for specific characters they like.
I think sometimes people get so caught up in creating negativity they forget that stoper doesn't have to show up for the abuse or even make this game. What's the goal? The beatings will continue until morale improves?
He's never going to produce content on a reliable schedule. Yet he's also not specifically blueballing people or milking the game; he's just slow and scattered.
I feel like people could look at the history for this game and either accept that's how stoper works or move on, including whether to support him on patreon. He definitely could make more money if he had better management, but stoper also hasn't given the impression that he even wants to release on a reliable schedule. I think he likes approaching art like this on his terms.
The art in this game is incredible, and I hope stoper continues to work on it. However if I were stoper, I'd pretty much never visit the negativity in this thread. If I did visit, I'd really be unmotivated to work on high quality art for people who are just going to yell at me because I'm slow and not making enough content for specific characters they like.
I think sometimes people get so caught up in creating negativity they forget that stoper doesn't have to show up for the abuse or even make this game. What's the goal? The beatings will continue until morale improves?