VN Ren'Py Jessica O'Neil's Hard News [v0.65] [stoperArt]

[Nifferman]

You're assuming that if people stop supporting me I'll suddenly start working faster. And that's not the case. I do work as fast as I can. Pretty much the only way to speed up the development speed is to cut down on the technical quality of the graphics.
And I've said this before, I'll say it again - I'm not after the money. If I was in for the money, why would I pick one of the less popular types of games? I'd be making a half-assed harem or incest game, with default DAZ assets and generic posing. And I'd be making more money than I make now.
So even if all my patrons leave tomorrow, I'd still be doing what I do today. I understand people's frustration, and I hope I can improve the situation, but I won't do it by lowering the quality of my work.

I hope what you are saying is true cuz boii I love your work it's just people are frustrated cuz when u started out you where pretty fast 1 update bimonthly and plus you were criticizing LnP for being fing slow but now you are even slower than him I really hope it can change cuz your game deserves a lot more support than its already getting

 

[AlfredBundy4]

More or less.


This type of creative work is not as methodical as stitching boots or something. There are days when I make 10 renders, there are days when I make 1. And there are days when I make 5 and then scrap them all, because I don't like how a scene feels.
I see that I have one scene left, and I'm like "OK, two weeks should be enough and it's all ready." But then I start working, things aren't clicking and I make little progress. Then I see that the scene needs a branching to better account for previous choices, and decide that I should do it. And that can double, even triple the work needed. So it's a week later, and instead of needing two more to finish the scene, I need 6.
That's why I try not to give any release dates or projections. But I keep failing when people keep asking.


People want to support me, they do. It's completely optional. I appreciate the financial support, and I need it to put food on my table, pay for assets, software and hardware. But I don't change my creative decisions based on the amount of money I make.


I used to visit the topic more often to get feedback, but at some point I got tired of reading the same posts and arguments about milking, and being lazy, and stupid patrons, and all that. I barely get any actual game feedback here, unless it's next to an update release, so there's little reason to visit.

You wrongly assume that game developers need these piracy forums to advertise their games. You'll be doing the "advertisement" for me, with or without my presence here.

Sincerely, this is all I want to hear from a dev. Their general work flow/pace and that money helps but it changes nothing about their desire or vision.

Too many devs outright bullshit people. I can take a slow pace if they are just honest about it. Just say that some days I work on it, some I don't. Some days things go well, some days they don't.

Finally, I respect the fuck out of saying that your vision for a story is your vision. Too many times I've seen devs get a bit of financial support and then change their obvious vision to what the supporters want.
No, make YOUR vision. Betray your audience if you must. Anything but pander to the masses if it goes against what you want to make.

Frankly, I respect everything you wrote here and more devs need to follow suit. It's the exact mentality I have and will have once I have the equipment to start making my own VNs. I'm a GPU away as I already know Python and have a bit of experience with 3D software. When I get started, I'm making what I want to make and at the pace I can make it. Support me if you want, if not I hope you still enjoy. We share that mentality and any other is just wrong, IMO.

As said, if the pace bothers people they'll stop supporting you.
There is only one project that I outright tell people to stop supporting because the dev is an obvious, blatant liar. He's lazy, gets too much money and lies to his supporters.
This isn't that situation at all. I may wish that you worked at a faster pace but the fact that you're honest instead of making up bullshit makes me respect ya.

Keep up the good work and you're about to add another supporter soon!

 

[Fzk]

Pretty much the only way to speed up the development speed is to cut down on the technical quality of the graphics.

You do really quality work, I can't criticize you on this subject, but I think growing the team can accelerate you even more. And to proceed with a plan, of course, this is just a suggestion, I don't know if your budget is enough for this economically.

 

[Alea iacta est]

More or less.


This type of creative work is not as methodical as stitching boots or something. There are days when I make 10 renders, there are days when I make 1. And there are days when I make 5 and then scrap them all, because I don't like how a scene feels.
I see that I have one scene left, and I'm like "OK, two weeks should be enough and it's all ready." But then I start working, things aren't clicking and I make little progress. Then I see that the scene needs a branching to better account for previous choices, and decide that I should do it. And that can double, even triple the work needed. So it's a week later, and instead of needing two more to finish the scene, I need 6.
That's why I try not to give any release dates or projections. But I keep failing when people keep asking.


People want to support me, they do. It's completely optional. I appreciate the financial support, and I need it to put food on my table, pay for assets, software and hardware. But I don't change my creative decisions based on the amount of money I make.


I used to visit the topic more often to get feedback, but at some point I got tired of reading the same posts and arguments about milking, and being lazy, and stupid patrons, and all that. I barely get any actual game feedback here, unless it's next to an update release, so there's little reason to visit.

You wrongly assume that game developers need these piracy forums to advertise their games. You'll be doing the "advertisement" for me, with or without my presence here.

If you make accessible your GitHub or whatever source control you use, dashboard, everybody will be more than happy, they can see progress and effort put in it.

 

[McZoy]

Dear Stoper

I am great fan of your work but I can accept your excuses, only if you consider your self as an amateur adult game dev. Unfortunately with around 2 updates per year we can not expect your project to finish in the visuable future.

Kind regards

 

[mma456]

I don't plan every scene in detail beforehand, I start making a scene and go with the flow.

That sounds wrong on so many levels, no matter the field of work some sort of groundwork or blueprint is required to begin working on any project unless you want to be stuck in development hell forever.
Even in the art field you will never see any kind of artist make any illustration or comic without laying down any sort of basic sketch or paneling draft, if artists thought of directly making a full fledged illustration or comic without any thought or process behind it then they would keep on scratching anything that they don't like as they are stuck repeating the same mundane tasks with minimal final results and huge waste of time.
I sincerely hope that you are able to see such a big error and hopefully correct it for your own betterment.

 

[armion82]

That sounds wrong on so many levels, no matter the field of work some sort of groundwork or blueprint is required to begin working on any project unless you want to be stuck in development hell forever.
Even in the art field you will never see any kind of artist make any illustration or comic without laying down any sort of basic sketch or paneling draft, if artists thought of directly making a full fledged illustration or comic without any thought or process behind it then they would keep on scratching anything that they don't like as they are stuck repeating the same mundane tasks with minimal final results and huge waste of time.
I sincerely hope that you are able to see such a big error and hopefully correct it for your own betterment.

You missed some key words in that sentence- "every" and "in detail".

 

[mma456]

You missed some key words in that sentence- "every" and "in detail".

Ah yes, making and changing a whole scene on a whim and redoing parts of it again at the end when the scripts written definitely shows the confidence in its structural details, wonder why its taken half a year for a few scenes then.

 

[homejorz]

It is how I work. I don't plan every scene in detail beforehand, I start making a scene and go with the flow. So far I'm happy with the quality results, the quantity is lacking. It's the creative choice I've made. Just as you've made your choice on supporting me or not.

Much respect bro. Haters gonna hate. Really enjoy the quality of the game. Hope to see some Tommy stuff soon

 

[Saint Blackmoor]

I'm a fan of the game, I especially like the storyline with Mr. Parker. you don't see old guy/young woman in a non-forced/manipulated relationship in many VN's if at all.
Do your thing stoper, I'll always be here.

 

[Sorrow85]

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Hi, everyone.

I hope the new year is treating you well. Looking at the news it doesn't really seem like the world has gotten the news that it's 2022 and it's supposed to be better. But I'm sure that's just a little lag and the better will start happening any day now

Work is going well. I still have one branch on the last scene that irks me and doesn't feel good. But I'm pushing on and if I don't come up with something that I love, I'll just leave it as it is. I lost way too much time on it. There's still some rendering to do before the update is ready, but we're getting there.

Stay safe, and thanks for the support.

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[Golden Trump]

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Hi, everyone.

I hope the new year is treating you well. Looking at the news it doesn't really seem like the world has gotten the news that it's 2022 and it's supposed to be better. But I'm sure that's just a little lag and the better will start happening any day now

Work is going well. I still have one branch on the last scene that irks me and doesn't feel good. But I'm pushing on and if I don't come up with something that I love, I'll just leave it as it is. I lost way too much time on it. There's still some rendering to do before the update is ready, but we're getting there.

Stay safe, and thanks for the support.

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Subtle way of saying that update isn't coming even in January

 

[TheUberstuff]

Subtle way of saying that update isn't coming even in January

I know I'm shocked /s so pathetic.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

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Hi, everyone.

I hope the new year is treating you well. Looking at the news it doesn't really seem like the world has gotten the news that it's 2022 and it's supposed to be better. But I'm sure that's just a little lag and the better will start happening any day now

Work is going well. I still have one branch on the last scene that irks me and doesn't feel good. But I'm pushing on and if I don't come up with something that I love, I'll just leave it as it is. I lost way too much time on it. There's still some rendering to do before the update is ready, but we're getting there.

Stay safe, and thanks for the support.

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there is something wrong with this job

 

[Candy Suxx]

Subtle way of saying that update isn't coming even in January

Yep, many devs nowadays do this, whenever they can't get an update on time in order to make sure that their supporters don't get pissed off they keep on giving them these small lollipops to keep them happy and divert their attention from the main thing , its either this or comes a bullshit excuse , like it isn't their fault but of the translator or suddenly their pc got blown up at the end moment or sometimes its the fault of the game's engine bla bla bla.

 

[Candy Suxx]

Yep, many devs nowadays do this, whenever they can't get an update on time in order to make sure that their supporters don't get pissed off they keep on giving them these small lollipops to keep them happy and divert their attention from the main thing , its either this or comes a bullshit excuse , like it isn't their fault but of the translator or suddenly their pc got blown up at the end moment or sometimesit the fault of the game's engine bla bla bla.

To be frank I am not much of a supporter, till now I have supported only 4 devs two of them were a huge mistake (ICSTOR and Irpheaus) glad I realised it soon enough and stopped it but the other two have never disappointed me . Never has it happened till now that an update has been delayed or a bullshit excuse is given and one of them is DPC which of course everyone knows who he is and the other is Dream Now who provides the updates every month with zero delays. These are people I would gladly spend my money on.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

To be frank I am not much of a supporter, till now I have supported only 4 devs two of them were a huge mistake (ICSTOR and Irpheaus) glad I realised it soon enough and stopped it but the other two have never disappointed me . Never has it happened till now that an update has been delayed or a bullshit excuse is given and one of them is DPC which of course everyone knows who he is and the other is Dream Now who provides the updates every month with zero delays. These are people I would gladly spend my money on.

I'm certainly not on the same level as graphics, but I don't want to start another war

 

[Gearz24]

Yep, many devs nowadays do this, whenever they can't get an update on time in order to make sure that their supporters don't get pissed off they keep on giving them these small lollipops to keep them happy and divert their attention from the main thing , its either this or comes a bullshit excuse , like it isn't their fault but of the translator or suddenly their pc got blown up at the end moment or sometimesit the fault of the game's engine bla bla bla.

Agree,if stoper gave us as many updates as excuses game would have been completed by now.

 

[umby]

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Hi, everyone.

I hope the new year is treating you well. Looking at the news it doesn't really seem like the world has gotten the news that it's 2022 and it's supposed to be better. But I'm sure that's just a little lag and the better will start happening any day now

Work is going well. I still have one branch on the last scene that irks me and doesn't feel good. But I'm pushing on and if I don't come up with something that I love, I'll just leave it as it is. I lost way too much time on it. There's still some rendering to do before the update is ready, but we're getting there.

Stay safe, and thanks for the support.

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what a waste of words, "under construction" would have been more appropriate.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

I hope what you are saying is true cuz boii I love your work it's just people are frustrated cuz when u started out you where pretty fast 1 update bimonthly and plus you were criticizing LnP for being fing slow but now you are even slower than him I really hope it can change cuz your game deserves a lot more support than its already getting

Post lacks some commas but it def is spitting some facts/truth.