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You're assuming that if people stop supporting me I'll suddenly start working faster. And that's not the case. I do work as fast as I can. Pretty much the only way to speed up the development speed is to cut down on the technical quality of the graphics.
And I've said this before, I'll say it again - I'm not after the money. If I was in for the money, why would I pick one of the less popular types of games? I'd be making a half-assed harem or incest game, with default DAZ assets and generic posing. And I'd be making more money than I make now.
So even if all my patrons leave tomorrow, I'd still be doing what I do today. I understand people's frustration, and I hope I can improve the situation, but I won't do it by lowering the quality of my work.
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So I take it that the upcoming release is the same size as previous ones in terms of content?
I'm asking because most people here, me included, believe that we're only going to see the Blake event of the same playable day as before, and maybe a quick shower beforehand, plus some dialogue with whoever else Jessica encounters at home before the night out with Blake. (That's mostly just speculation except for the Blake part)
Because if that's the case, your statements above don't make much sense to me. We've seen your post about being unproductive/uninspired or burned out and everyone deserves a break at times, but I fail to see the connection between all the development blogs within the past 6 months, Patreon comments and Discord screenshots of you talking about working on the game and especially the part where you're telling people several times that release is "this month", for pretty much 3 months in a row. Do you think that's the best way to handle these things?
Anyway.. All things considered, I'm hoping for a better year for both you and your patrons.
Edit: Ofcourse my post will be left unanswered, and it's not like I expected an answer, but god damn had I wished for a reasonable response which not only would have shut me up, but also boost the morale in this thread, and maybe even restore some faith in you which seems to be at an all-time low.
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I expressed general indignation, we all know perfectly well that your quality is excellent, but people are depressed that the update is taking so long, that's all. Well, you have registered on patreon in order to receive money not as your main income, but as a hobby. I support you and wait for updates, if I didn't like your product, I wouldn't be your patron))) And you have a good trait, you are not silent, but talk to the audience. Don't get distracted there, we are waiting for an update. I wish you health and productivity.
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i dont know why you need to answer some of the question here when in fact many are not even your subs. Just make a better product and satisfy your legit subs. thats the only way.
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it would seem so. that is, we would only have 'evebto blake but in three versions, so it is as if there were three events (If we talk about the number of renders) in terms of advancement of the general history there will be a little less, at least that's what I understand.
- May 4, 2017
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More or less.
This type of creative work is not as methodical as stitching boots or something. There are days when I make 10 renders, there are days when I make 1. And there are days when I make 5 and then scrap them all, because I don't like how a scene feels.
I see that I have one scene left, and I'm like "OK, two weeks should be enough and it's all ready." But then I start working, things aren't clicking and I make little progress. Then I see that the scene needs a branching to better account for previous choices, and decide that I should do it. And that can double, even triple the work needed. So it's a week later, and instead of needing two more to finish the scene, I need 6.
That's why I try not to give any release dates or projections. But I keep failing when people keep asking.
People want to support me, they do. It's completely optional. I appreciate the financial support, and I need it to put food on my table, pay for assets, software and hardware. But I don't change my creative decisions based on the amount of money I make.Why don't you after this upcoming update stop your payments on your patreon till your next update is out to show us that you don't care about money and still work on your game with the same "speed"?!
I used to visit the topic more often to get feedback, but at some point I got tired of reading the same posts and arguments about milking, and being lazy, and stupid patrons, and all that. I barely get any actual game feedback here, unless it's next to an update release, so there's little reason to visit.
You wrongly assume that game developers need these piracy forums to advertise their games. You'll be doing the "advertisement" for me, with or without my presence here.
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Much appreciated input, thanks. Only thing I'd argue with is that while your presence might not be needed, it would cause the general tone of this thread to be more positive, of that I'm sure. And the developer interacting with his community here would also surely lead to an increased amount of support on Patreon. But I guess you're right that we do the PR in a way. Still, would be nice to have you around in this thread and engage in conversations every now and then.
Anyway, thanks again. Really didn't expect a reply if I'm honest.
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She has to be one of the most beautiful VN protags around here, with amazing renders too.
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Take your time my friend. The last thing I wanna see is this game getting abandoned. I understand that creative work takes time, and you take pride in your work and want perfection.
We all wish the updates to come at a regular basis. If you have limited hardware, you can use any render farm to do the rendering part. One render farm that I know of is iRender, but there are others as well.
Good luck and regards.
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I do need the money, but if they are not coming from Patreon I'll figure out something else, and still do what I do.Yeah but leave ppl out of the equation just be you show us that you don't give a damn about money... oh but you see its still about money that you need to buy things so then don't come here and say that even if all support will stop you'll still continue and that money is not a factor in your game development...
It was obvious that someone will start the thread. Making it myself at least gives me some small measure of control over it. Only a fool wouldn't do it.Dude you the one who literally started this thread, WTH are you talking about
Best way to treat this game is to kind of forget about it until an update appears cause the updates take a long time but I can say for certain that the renders and story in this game are top notch(the best even).
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I feel like you didn't understand me here. What you describe is literally what I was saying.
Means: I'd agree with your previous post, if what that person had to say was something like "Game's shit, dev's shit, everything's shit". But if that's not the case and the post consists of simple criticism it doesn't automatically make this person an asshole. Makes more sense now?
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Hi stoper. I just wanted to let you know that I'm a huge fan of your work. I also appreciate that you come here to answer our questions about the game. It shows me that you care a lot about the fans and fans of the game. I want to make it clear that I'm looking forward and waiting for the next update so I wish luck that this year is more prosperous it's much better for you in game updates I also wanted to ask a question At some point you'll tag the game with anal sex , please. That's what I most wanted to know too.
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I'm late to the party!
But the rest of this paragraph is a major red flag to me Stoper, and I don't think it's really been acknowledged. If entire day(s) of work are being tossed out because "things aren't clicking", that's a problem. And considering that this development cycle is going on six months, I have to imagine that it wasn't just once or twice that "things didn't click." If these days resulting in negative returns are compounded by days of low production, you have a real project management problem on your hands. If multiple days of low production are then tossed out because "things aren't clicking", the problem has compounded on itself.
And you know what? Sometimes "good enough" is really good. Sometimes it's better to push through on something that isn't perfect instead of tweaking it to death. As someone who suffers from paralysis by analysis, I have to consciously make the effort to pull the trigger and keep moving forward. Otherwise I get stuck in a constant loop of evaluation and research. The end result is sometimes better, but often only marginally than my original plan; and it came at the expense of my time and effort. Did all that time and effort really net me a result that was proportionally better? Almost never.
I don't mean any of this as a "fuck you, I need my p0rn!", but as someone that has supported your Patreon in the past but can't do that again strictly because of the production problems. The game itself is really solid, and I would happily provide financial support, but these update cycles are a real problem.
I can accept that not every day is super productive, I think anyone that has a hobby that they love can attest to the fact that some days you kick ass and then other days you can't complete even the smallest step.
But the rest of this paragraph is a major red flag to me Stoper, and I don't think it's really been acknowledged. If entire day(s) of work are being tossed out because "things aren't clicking", that's a problem. And considering that this development cycle is going on six months, I have to imagine that it wasn't just once or twice that "things didn't click." If these days resulting in negative returns are compounded by days of low production, you have a real project management problem on your hands. If multiple days of low production are then tossed out because "things aren't clicking", the problem has compounded on itself.
But this? This is a five alarm fire. I can understand some days you're feeling more productive than others. I think it's a problem, but I can also wrap my head around entire scenes/groups of renders being tossed out because they aren't clicking. But reworking the very nature of a scene only when you're deep into production is really, really, poor project management. I've said this before, so I'm in danger of sounding like a broken clock, but whether it's a hobby or work, you can't be blindly stumbling through your efforts and changing horses in midstream. This is costing precious time and is totally avoidable. It's one thing to tweak a scene, but you're talking about completely rebuilding them and doubling or tripling the work. That's madness. Details such as branching paths and story elements should be worked out long in advance during the planning process, not during production.
And you know what? Sometimes "good enough" is really good. Sometimes it's better to push through on something that isn't perfect instead of tweaking it to death. As someone who suffers from paralysis by analysis, I have to consciously make the effort to pull the trigger and keep moving forward. Otherwise I get stuck in a constant loop of evaluation and research. The end result is sometimes better, but often only marginally than my original plan; and it came at the expense of my time and effort. Did all that time and effort really net me a result that was proportionally better? Almost never.
I think this is also the wrong approach. It's one thing not give a release date because you're afraid that you'll miss it by a few days. If we were talking about an update that was almost six days late, and you were getting shit for it, I could understand the frustration. But we're talking six months. And endless, undefined, open-ended development cycle invites the problems mentioned earlier because there is no sense of urgency. Sometimes the structured environment provided by a release date can be a good thing, and I think you could benefit from it.
I have a hard time accepting this. If we're measuring content by the number of renders, then ok maybe I can see it. But this update is barely going to advance the story, we only have the one major scene. To me, this meets the definition of the Law of Negative Returns. You're pouring all of this effort into a single scene, spending months of your life doing it, and we're barely advancing the story more than a couple of hours. This is negative returns because "more is less." We'll have to wait and see how the scene turns out, but I'm having a hard time accepting the idea that one scene with three routes is the same as a normal update with multiple scenes with varying routes. It feels a little disingenuous to me at this point, but we'll see how it works out.
I don't mean any of this as a "fuck you, I need my p0rn!", but as someone that has supported your Patreon in the past but can't do that again strictly because of the production problems. The game itself is really solid, and I would happily provide financial support, but these update cycles are a real problem.
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It is how I work. I don't plan every scene in detail beforehand, I start making a scene and go with the flow. So far I'm happy with the quality results, the quantity is lacking. It's the creative choice I've made. Just as you've made your choice on supporting me or not.