*breathes in* AHHHH HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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This game and Midnight Paradise remind me of those local restaurants that some boomer moron decides to open and splurge alot of money on the opening, buys expensive cutlery and fine chairs and tables, lavish restaurant interior for the opening, and then you slowly witness the quality of service and food remain shit year-after-year, while the tables, cloths, chairs turn to shit because he thinks "nailed it", he thinks he is successful because his 1st year clients are still going to his restaurant, mostly because there aren't more restaurants around, and humans just act mostly out of habit in these sort of markets, not giving a fuck how disgusting his restaurant looks now because "MUH LOYAL LONG-TIME CUSTOMERS".
This is the FORMAT for every new 3D game developer here, they become good at 3D art, and then launch an initially well built game, ALREADY knowing that they only need that magical "critical mass" number of patrons, and then they can treat their supporters like shit forever and ever.
The only devs that deserve respect because of these scammers are people like Nenad Asanovic (if I spelt his name right) who straight out make most of their games completely free, if not immediately, very soon after completion, and who always act like genuine passionate creative minds, not arrogant camwhore-minded dev.
STOPER, ICSTOR, LEWDLAB = the male version of camwhores.
This is the FORMAT for every new 3D game developer here, they become good at 3D art, and then launch an initially well built game, ALREADY knowing that they only need that magical "critical mass" number of patrons, and then they can treat their supporters like shit forever and ever.
The only devs that deserve respect because of these scammers are people like Nenad Asanovic (if I spelt his name right) who straight out make most of their games completely free, if not immediately, very soon after completion, and who always act like genuine passionate creative minds, not arrogant camwhore-minded dev.
STOPER, ICSTOR, LEWDLAB = the male version of camwhores.
Anybody who ever had a job, worked for a living, for any small amount of time knows:
the job only gets simpler, and faster to do, the longer you are doing it. Even a waiters knows this, anyone who worked in a factory or any normal job. It only gets easier, regardless of whether you are talking about an artist or not. A painter, a photographer, as his experience increases, the faster he can create.
This fucking bullshit about these devs trying to sell the lie that this somehow becames harder with time, it doesn't. They have ALREADY pushed throught the toughest part: to get the ball rolling, picking the 3D elements they need, the backgrounds, the rooms, the buildings, the art style, etc etc.
This is spineless scamming going on in these games, period.
the job only gets simpler, and faster to do, the longer you are doing it. Even a waiters knows this, anyone who worked in a factory or any normal job. It only gets easier, regardless of whether you are talking about an artist or not. A painter, a photographer, as his experience increases, the faster he can create.
This fucking bullshit about these devs trying to sell the lie that this somehow becames harder with time, it doesn't. They have ALREADY pushed throught the toughest part: to get the ball rolling, picking the 3D elements they need, the backgrounds, the rooms, the buildings, the art style, etc etc.
This is spineless scamming going on in these games, period.
jamdan
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The issues this game, and a lot of others have, is that they aren't linear/kinetic. It doesn't get easier or simpler to do as it goes, it becomes more complex. Because it has branches and routing that need to be figured out.
And Stoper has said that he doesn't plan things in advance. And in a branching game like this, not planning is going to slow things down. A lot.
And Stoper has said that he doesn't plan things in advance. And in a branching game like this, not planning is going to slow things down. A lot.
jonrage39
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I think the reason they say that is because devs often have lofty plans, so as the game goes, more branches occur, and that makes creating not necessarily more difficult, but more complicated.
It becomes trickier to develop an update that delivers content to each branch. They choose not to focus on just one branch but multiple ones per update because they want to avoid the complaints of "no new content" they'd get from players on a less popular branches.
That's why the kinetic novel games tend to be the ones that finish, whereas the visual novel games tend to start strong until they eventually devolve into these painfully long times between updates that eventually bloat to abandonment.
I don't think it's a matter of milking most times, just a dev doing this as a hobby who falls victim to the false expectations they've set for themselves. They started strong, an update every month, until they had two branches to follow, then it's every other month. Four branches, four months, etc.
None of the top games release regularly anymore, all of the games of similar quality to this have horribly long delays. Its an issue with most games now, even the devs who are big enough to make games full time, it's just worse for those who still do it on the side. JOHN, AWAM, False Hero and Midnight Paradise are just a couple games that I follow that are plagued by delays. Are they all scams or is it just the nature of these games?
All that to say; the trick is to just not give them money and lower your expectations. If you expect each update to be the last one, then you will be pleasantly surprised when a new one comes. I don't patronize any dev regularly. If I like the game enough I'll throw them some money for one month when they release an update, but cancel after that. Getting angry over these games and their mismanagement is a waste of time and energy better spent elsewhere.
Anyone who ever tried Daz3d knows that the level of imagery that Stoper delivers takes a LOT of time not only to pose but also to render. Then coding in RenPy for several branches of the story adds a significant amount to the workload.
I’d think twice before calling him names at the risk of passing for an ignorant fool of the processes of adult VN creation, especially one I’m getting for free here.
I’d think twice before calling him names at the risk of passing for an ignorant fool of the processes of adult VN creation, especially one I’m getting for free here.
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I fully agree with you on that.I've actually defended this dev while raling against the pure scams that are a few others
*cough L&P cough*
Why? Because this dev is usually pretty up front about their work schedule in that they admit they don't have one. The others just BS their subs when it's clear they have no set work schedule or plan going forward for the story. In those respects I have defended this dev.
However, I don't agree with giving anrelease schedule that you have zero plans to meet time and time again. As I have defended him for, release it when it is done and let people decide to keep paying you or not. Constant false release dates is on par with what those other BS artists do with their "I work 12 hours a day on a state of the art PC you all paid for" but release a 5 min update every 6 months.
If I'm being fair it's fair to say that a BS release date is wrong to do. Finish it and release it, maybe an release date literally when it's 99% done and not sooner.
*cough L&P cough*
Why? Because this dev is usually pretty up front about their work schedule in that they admit they don't have one. The others just BS their subs when it's clear they have no set work schedule or plan going forward for the story. In those respects I have defended this dev.
However, I don't agree with giving anrelease schedule that you have zero plans to meet time and time again. As I have defended him for, release it when it is done and let people decide to keep paying you or not. Constant false release dates is on par with what those other BS artists do with their "I work 12 hours a day on a state of the art PC you all paid for" but release a 5 min update every 6 months.
If I'm being fair it's fair to say that a BS release date is wrong to do. Finish it and release it, maybe an release date literally when it's 99% done and not sooner.
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And you're the expert? Sure it can take a lot of time but not all these months, according to the size of previous udpate. Unless he spends 2h or more to create and render an image, scrap it because he doesn't like it and start again, and with several images. He has no plan and it seems he scraps scenes multiple times during the development. He should plan better imo
I know that Stoper can produce an update for two months! But he should not have a personal life. 4 months for an update is perfect for me. 7-8 months are too long. But I can understand him - every day render by render, over and over again, routine kills.
I prefer rare updates in front of abandon game. The glass is a half full for me.
I prefer rare updates in front of abandon game. The glass is a half full for me.
OllisNews
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What should I write? I've already invested in this game and I expect it to continue. If the developer is no longer interested, let him know!
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So far Conner can have sex with Jessica 11 times.Not bad at all for just 13 days.LoL they(The) better get used to it because unfortunately Connor has had Jessica's sweet pussy several times and it won't be the last time.
Jokes aside, he is her boyfriend so depending on the choice of each one, Jessica will always have sex with Connor or a threesome more
Of course this depends on your choices with him and Jessica and the routes they are taking.
And we are not even counting cunnilingus,handjob and blowjob scenes.
The slow build is nice and the story is good. I just found it, but am going to keep an eye on it.
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13 days in the game and 11 chance for Connor to fuck Jessica he's definitely the stoper's favorite character
And as you mentioned there are other scenes of him getting blowjob from Jessica with Blake and Heather and not to mention that the next update Connor will eat Jessica's pussy again that's it I have no doubt
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Slow build is good, slow update is not
truerty
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I'm so excited for the Connor and Jessica scene!!13 days in the game and 11 chance for Connor to fuck Jessica he's definitely the stoper's favorite character
And as you mentioned there are other scenes of him getting blowjob from Jessica with Blake and Heather and not to mention that the next update Connor will eat Jessica's pussy again that's it I have no doubt
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Yeah I'm counting the days to see Connor and Jessica having sex