VN Ren'Py Jessica O'Neil's Hard News [v0.65] [stoperArt]

[armion82]

IMHO:

I'm pretty sure that there is no much relation between faster update with more subscribers.
Except the fact to be able to by better equipment.
After that the quickness of the update come from alot of reasons and, I think, that the number of subscribers is one of the least important.

Before that:
- Level of quality in the renders
- Attentions to details for realism (pose, hair, cloths...)
- Complexity of the scenario / scripts
- Multiple branchs
- Work ethic
- Planifications of tasks
- motivation / inspiration

Yeah you are right.
Just because you are getting 10 times more money after the initial release,doesn't meant you will suddenly start to make the updates 10 times faster.Or for the same time but 10 times bigger.
Imagine same expectation for the dev that are making 1000 times more money.Are there really people that are believe it is even possible to work 1000 times faster?

 

[Pogo123]

On July 19, the developer said ''I was telling myself not to give release dates, because of how bad I've been in keeping them for the last year. But next month, dead or alive, I'm releasing the update.''

In the last sentence, he went beyond his promise and almost took an oath. In addition, some users wrote that those who do not pay do not have the right to complain.

Since I was very surprised by this great promise and some comments, I made a humorous comment by making an analogy. I don't think I deserve your insults for making such a comment on such a statement.

Even though I'm behind the keyboard, I don't insult anyone just because they don't think like me. This is the work of cowards.

The biggest cuck mentality is in those who try to defend the big unfulfilled vows as if there were no faults, just like you and you. If anyone is to be told, they are the cut that suits them.

If you are not bothered by the developer's lie that I will publish dead or alive, do not be bothered by the complaints of those who do not pay.

Also, I don't have such a hobby. As I said, it was a humorous approach. I would love to support all well-meaning developers as my financial situation allows.

Also, let's not forget that this site is a pirate site. Thanks to F95, many people can better decide which game to support or not.

well written.

i personally think that stoper wanted to do another game/VN (paoloa) which i personally wouldnt have been against at all but he wanted to prio it - like other devs already did and some want to do. supporters and fans got scared so most said "noooo no paola please only focus jessica first" but he personally didn't (or maybe still don't) have much interest in JOHN and since so many ppl didn't support him letting him focus (at least for some time) on another project he lost completely motivation and much interest and instead of having more time for JOHN now since most ppl didn't want him to focus on the other game/VN, he now has even less time (and maybe spends even less time cause of motivation/interest/energy) for JOHN.
I personally think if ppl would have been more supportive about the other Paola project, we maybe still wouldn't have more JOHN now, but we would have had at least more Paola till now. Like that we lost on both fronts. At least thats my point of view.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

well written.

i personally think that stoper wanted to do another game/VN (paoloa) which i personally wouldnt have been against at all but he wanted to prio it - like other devs already did and some want to do. supporters and fans got scared so most said "noooo no paola please only focus jessica first" but he personally didn't (or maybe still don't) have much interest in JOHN and since so many ppl didn't support him letting him focus (at least for some time) on another project he lost completely motivation and much interest and instead of having more time for JOHN now since most ppl didn't want him to focus on the other game/VN, he now has even less time (and maybe spends even less time cause of motivation/interest/energy) for JOHN.
I personally think if ppl would have been more supportive about the other Paola project, we still wouldn't have more JOHN now, but we would have had at least more Poala till now. Like that we lost on both fronts. At least thats my point of view.

I thought he was doing “Paola” as a break from this game, so he wouldn’t burnout and run out of ideas for this game.
But I think I heard somewhere that Paola is on hold until he gets JOHN to where he wants it to go

 

[MestoTesto]

well written.

i personally think that stoper wanted to do another game/VN (paoloa) which i personally wouldnt have been against at all but he wanted to prio it - like other devs already did and some want to do. supporters and fans got scared so most said "noooo no paola please only focus jessica first" but he personally didn't (or maybe still don't) have much interest in JOHN and since so many ppl didn't support him letting him focus (at least for some time) on another project he lost completely motivation and much interest and instead of having more time for JOHN now since most ppl didn't want him to focus on the other game/VN, he now has even less time (and maybe spends even less time cause of motivation/interest/energy) for JOHN.
I personally think if ppl would have been more supportive about the other Paola project, we still wouldn't have more JOHN now, but we would have had at least more Poala till now. Like that we lost on both fronts. At least thats my point of view.

I didn't know about Paola. Thank you very much for valuable information. Thanks to you, I learned more about the subject.

 

[Bishop Robert]

You are missing the Point! The free Food (Game) is great! You are complaining WHEN you will get the FREE Food...

And again: His Game is in the Top 5% of all Adult Games. Most of the Games are mediocre - at best! Even a lot of the better ones are getting abandoned after a while...

So we should be thankful that we´ll get this Amazing Quality Game - even at a slow Pace.

This comes off like “take his shit and like it”.

Yes the quality is great but regardless of paying or not people are allowed to complain about the speed of updates.

(This is not me disputing my overall thoughts on it, also not sure if my other reply went through so sending this just in case)

 

[Pogo123]

I thought he was doing “Paola” as a break from this game, so he wouldn’t burnout and run out of ideas for this game.
But I think I heard somewhere that Paola is on hold until he gets JOHN to where he wants it to go

he started Paola primary cause he is a big fan of the author and he wanted to try something new as far as i know. as a break of JOHN tho and burnout? i don't know maybe you know more than i do here.

Of course its on hold cause many ppl said he should focus on JOHN first. And he agreed cause he didn't had much of another choice really except he would really give a sh*t about his supporter and fans opinions what he obviously doesn't do. I also think - even i think Paola is nice and a good idea, he should first go further in the story of JOHN first - that if ppl would have said "yeah stoper Poala is great if you want to do this first at the moment, do it!" he wouldn't put Paola on hold and would have released another chapter of this story already. Just my personal opinion tho.

 

[lostsoul11111113]

Well, it was expected this month but apparently it will be in October

October 2024?

 

[Gunizz]

I often complain about train delays in Romania. I like those trains, but they are always late damn! People ask me "why? You don't live in Romania, you'll never been there, you just look at pictures of trains on Flickr, you're not a customer". Well, I CAN complain because I like those trains, so I do complain. It's my right! I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that this fucking train could been late...

 

[Ass Fan]

October 2024?

It will be

 

[Tennoujirex]

Yeah you are right.
Just because you are getting 10 times more money after the initial release,doesn't meant you will suddenly start to make the updates 10 times faster.Or for the same time but 10 times bigger.
Imagine same expectation for the dev that are making 1000 times more money.Are there really people that are believe it is even possible to work 1000 times faster?

This statement is devoid of logic. We support any developer because of the content of his games and the update cycle. If a game is good and gets alot of support, literally no one who supports it does so because they want the updates to reflect the monetary value, rather they want what they paid for, the update cycle that they are familiar with and the content. So, if a developer is simply punctual and consistent with his updates and content, he will continue to receive support and goodwill from all.

 

[fihesog318]

I am sure most of you are kids but for adults with real jobs there are two annoying types of people you have to deal with at work: 1. the deadline misser and 2. the constant complainer. You learn to work around the deadline misser by other people picking up the slack and not relying on the deadlines you know that person will miss. It is annoying but manageable. But the constant complainer is cancer, nothing besides firing will stop this person from ruining a positive team dynamic. And for the children who will say, "are you saying you can never criticize?" You are outing yourself as a child who cannot tell the difference between criticism and constant complaining.

 

[armion82]

This statement is devoid of logic. We support any developer because of the content of his games and the update cycle. If a game is good and gets alot of support, literally no one who supports it does so because they want the updates to reflect the monetary value, rather they want what they paid for, the update cycle that they are familiar with and the content. So, if a developer is simply punctual and consistent with his updates and content, he will continue to receive support and goodwill from all.

So you mean if I get 10 times more money I should work 10 times faster?Or 10 times more?
Sure thing-you probably expect Lionel Messi to score 1000 goals after his salary goes up.

 

[Bishop Robert]

So you mean if I get 10 times more money I should work 10 times faster?Or 10 times more?
Sure thing-you probably expect Lionel Messi to score 1000 goals after his salary goes up.

Whole other different job.

 

[jamdan]

Games make more money if they update quicker. Not the other way around. That doesn't mean getting more money = quicker updates. Those are unrelated things, unless the developer just has bad hardware. Which money can help buy. Other than that, money doesn't do much for update speed.

But this whole discussion is pointless. Stoper said he doesn't do this for money. Which I believe. And he also said he doesn't plan ahead much. Which I believe.

Updates aren't going to be quicker unless he changes his workflow. Which he doesn't want to do. He has talked about these things on here before.

 

[Bishop Robert]

I am sure most of you are kids but for adults with real jobs there are two annoying types of people you have to deal with at work: 1. the deadline misser and 2. the constant complainer. You learn to work around the deadline misser by other people picking up the slack and not relying on the deadlines you know that person will miss. It is annoying but manageable. But the constant complainer is cancer, nothing besides firing will stop this person from ruining a positive team dynamic. And for the children who will say, "are you saying you can never criticize?" You are outing yourself as a child who cannot tell the difference between criticism and constant complaining.

Just say "Take his shit and like it" honestly.

And there's more types of people in a workplace then those two.

 

[Bishop Robert]

This statement is devoid of logic. We support any developer because of the content of his games and the update cycle. If a game is good and gets alot of support, literally no one who supports it does so because they want the updates to reflect the monetary value, rather they want what they paid for, the update cycle that they are familiar with and the content. So, if a developer is simply punctual and consistent with his updates and content, he will continue to receive support and goodwill from all.

Exactly.

This and AWAM are two projects I'd like to support but I don't for reasons said before. Of course, that isn't saying they are on the same level in terms of the issues I have with them (I've been considering giving Stoper support actually but have been hit with the bills and other expenses the past two years).

I don't even have an issue with the current delay really, I was more annoyed by that whole thing with the last event/update.

What's really an annoyance is the people here who try to argue "You should have nothing to say since you don't give any money" and then the people who paint anything that's not positive as toxic negativity.

 

[ｲ尺ﾑｷﾑﾚムﾑ尺 り ﾚﾑW]

I am sure most of you are kids but for adults with real jobs there are two annoying types of people you have to deal with at work: 1. the deadline misser and 2. the constant complainer. You learn to work around the deadline misser by other people picking up the slack and not relying on the deadlines you know that person will miss. It is annoying but manageable. But the constant complainer is cancer, nothing besides firing will stop this person from ruining a positive team dynamic. And for the children who will say, "are you saying you can never criticize?" You are outing yourself as a child who cannot tell the difference between criticism and constant complaining.

I don't know where you work but if someone misses the deadline multiple times then they will be fired. The worst reputation you can have at a workplace is someone who always misses deadlines because no one will want to work with you or hire you.

I know workplaces that put up with annoying people if they are incredibly good at their job. E.g. a salesman that is a prick but he outsells everyone for like triple the product. A company will keep that guy and drop the guy that misses deadline/misses quota.

 

[fihesog318]

I don't know where you work but if someone misses the deadline multiple times then they will be fired. The worst reputation you can have at a workplace is someone who always misses deadlines because no one will want to work with you or hire you.

I know workplaces that put up with annoying people if they are incredibly good at their job. E.g. a salesman that is a prick but he outsells everyone for like triple the product. A company will keep that guy and drop the guy that misses deadline/misses quota.

Stoper is that salesperson you describe who is creating a product triple the quality of most of his peers. The constant complainers on this site they create nothing but their negative constant whining. If you fire Stoper the high quality creator who misses deadlines then you are a poor manager

 

[Fuckito]

Sorry, some comments just don't make sense. If my supporters have increased and I am also making more money, it does not mean that the updates will be slowed by 2 times in each release. Nobody is saying it will be 10 times faster. Also, the developer sets deadlines before each release, but most of them don't keep their word. This means that even he himself knows that it is too late. Many developers say they'll aim to release more content and faster updates as their patreons multiply. On the contrary, as the patreons increase in this game, the updates get slower every year. I don't understand how it makes sense to argue that this is normal.

If I were a developer, if I couldn't release updates faster, I wouldn't slow down updates any more, at least to respect the many people who support me. I live on all the money I earn every month, but I can't give my supporters an update every 8 months. Also, I can't keep my promises. You have to be an irrational person to defend this situation.

 

[BartPS]

First, learn what it means to make a promise. Either keep your promise or don't make any promises at all. But wait a minute please, it's his hobby not to stick to his word, he didn't do it on purpose.

Oh come on honey really? Okay, interesting hobby, I've never encountered it before. But my hobby is playing games for free and complaining. My biggest hobby is playing and complaining about the games of the developers who are famous for not keeping their word.

But wait, don't be mad at me, I didn't do it on purpose, it's just a hobby. But at least I didn't promise not to do them.

Well I haven't seen where anyone is "mad" at you.

In any case, just as you most certainly have the right to complain about something (even if others think your complaints are unjustified), others have the same right to complain about your complaints.

Also you're really stretching when you say "it's his hobby not to stick to his word". Underestimating the time it will take to complete something is a fault many of us share, but a hobby??? Really???

On the other hand you claim that complaining is one of your main hobbies and I tend to believe you. So yes, your self-awareness is admirable, but I'd venture that stoperArt's hobby is a lot more admirable than yours.