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So do I and I agree with most of what was said, but his point is not entirely invalid, even if questionable in this case.
For smaller creators it's a big difference if they can work on their product full time or just in the evenings after their main job/in their free time and it speeds up development considerably. Same with better rendering equipment, hiring additional help, offloading tasks etc.
All of these things need money and can't happen if there is none. I'm not saying that devs that just take any excess funds and put them in their own pocket don't exist because they do, but it's still a valid point.
I haven't played this game in months and it looks like it's stuck in development hell at this point so I'm not saying any of this is applicable here, just don't discount his opinion entirely.
palmtrees89
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This is becoming quite comical at this point. Almost like you're watching your favourite Episode of whatever TV show for the 10th time, listening to the same old dialogue. Stoper would make for a great customer-support worker. They mostly use pre-generated answers to "satisfy" their customers aswell.
- stoper 3 months ago: "I'm working on this one last scene and I'm making good progress."
- stoper 2 months ago: "I'm working on this one last scene, deciding if I should add another branch probably nobody wants to see anyway."
- stoper 1 month ago: "I'm working on this one last scene, and it's becoming quite big. Oopsie!"
- stoper yesterday: "I'm working on this one last scene. Great pace, folks! It's becoming quite big!"
- stoper in 1 month from now: "This one last scene I was working on became quite big, so it took a little longer as it was quite tricky. I'll let you know once it's finished!"
*Update releases with 2 tiny scenes, called beta release*, everybody be like; "What the fuck?!"
And the cycle continues.
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Indeed devs need money to be motivated, most devs don't make games because the fun of it, they want money. I didn't criticize that, I highlighted the idiotic part :
Now let's talk about Stoper business a bit.
He's been making JOHN since 2018 and he's getting a monthly income of 2.500$ + or - . He makes works on the side too = $$$. He updates the game in the >6 months time frame like Badik, Artemis and others. But John updates are short in comparison. When a dev takes more than 6 months to make an update we're talking about 3.000-4.000 renders which is never the case here.
Now, Why Stoper doesn't build another render station to speed things up? After more than 3 years making John he should has the money for it. So maybe he's happy working in John at this pace while he gets his monthly 2.500$ check, and that's fine, but people will call him milker for it.
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Well that is a dumb statement and I never said otherwise.
As said, I have no horse in this race. I don't even play JOHN at this point in time. I just have problems when people try to quantify the validity of creative tasks by using numbers.
The only thing that should count is your own feeling about the product you get for the development time that it takes.
And if you feel that it's reasonable then well, great. Good for you.
If you feel like it isn't then pull out and move on because no amount of shouting will make a dev work faster or harder. Circlejerking about what a milking butthole a dev is doesn't do anything while you're still salivating on your keyboard for an update.
The only thing that creates pressure is people removing their monetary support. And as far as that goes, your voice on a pirate forum hands you a very short stick for leverage.
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slightchance
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Sometimes I wish mods would simply close the bigger threads like this one when there's no real discussion to be had. This game is living rent free in our minds while stoper blows through one release date after another. In the last 38 pages alone the discussion revolved mainly about the release cycle - how's that interesting? It would be nice if Stoper had to deliver something before everyone is buzzing around his game again.
Criticizing is easy. Make a Game with this high Quality faster - then you all can talk...
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The question is not that Dev has to keep his word as stoper had said he would release in August and then in September "dead or alive" But as we already know that's not what happened but that's okay, because all developers have their lives staff to give him in addition to the difficulty that the game can give him/her the only thing I don't like and some Devs give us a specific date of the game and not stick to it this is a serious mistake in my humble opinion.When exactly has discussion around this game ever been interesting? Theres nothing to speculate about, there are no previews to indicate anything or speculate about anything, there are no past events set up that would happen the coming update, so do tell what your gonna discuss about? The same 2 things we know are coming next update?
slightchance
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And why should it be closed exactly? This thread isn't just for discussing about the content of the game or just blindly praising it, criticizing or hating it. This thread exists to talk about anything that's related to this game, delays are a part of it, so no nothings off topic. Everything has been on point and whatever isn't gets booted by the mods.
Well we are criticising his time management and promises. I don't need to make a game to criticize poor time management and lying.
Bishop Robert
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I guess if I dislike someone's food at a restaurant I can't complain because I'm not a chef.
The hell kind of mindset is this?
Bishop Robert
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Doesn't matter, they tried the product they have a right to voice their thoughts on it and you should respect it instead of grumbling about it.
I went to a restaurant and was given a free steak. The Steak given was not cooked how I wanted it at all in fact it was raw, by your sides logic I have no right to complain about it being raw all because it was free.
boobthief
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You can complain because you paid for the food.
If you paid and ordered something with the understanding that it would take a long time to arrive then complaining about how long you have waited is disingenuous.
If you didn't pay but sit in the restaurant complaining, insulting the chef and staff, and generally act like an entitled ass stating that you could do so much better because it's easy but for reasons you're not gonna then surely it is fair to judge you on your negative behaviour.
Bishop Robert
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So if I got the food for free and it was terrible I can't complain because it was free...
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The point is that most of the people are bitching for slow updates but none is paying for faster updates. Might also consider that developer could be not interested at all for a faster update rythme, its his work afterall so if you dont like it you can look around for another work (as I am guessing most of us do so). But the interesting thing (in my opinion) is that the more the bitching for slow updates means the more the liking of the game. Actually the game is so good that that an addiction is formed between the user/player and the game/developer, similar to other known addictions. We (as indivisuals) usually pay for our addictions, but in this case we want it (the game) served for free. Isnt that true?
Bishop Robert
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Have seen other projects where a dev gains followers and slows down progression (some familar faces here now another popular game that has had this) so no throwing money isn't going to help out necessarily.