VN Ren'Py Jikage Rising [v2.09 Arc 3] [Smiling Dog]

[YoraeRasante]

Combat is easy as fuck, even easier than what you can cook up in rpgmaker, the only somewhat challenging character in the entire act1 was Tsunade herself but even her i defeated without problems, all i needed is stun and poison skills, didn't even use my 500k ryo weapons scroll which would hit her for 50k damage, more than her hp and then some, 300k would have been enough and unleashed during her phase2. Anyway, yeah. If you plan on doing combat... maybe take your time with it or don't bother at all if it's too much effort.
I hate half-ass

We had pretty different experiences...
Although, having maxed out may have helped you a bit.

But again, when I finished act 1 only the skills from the 4 younger girls ans Shizune were added, so that may have made it harder. Used the others on Act 2 though. No Kurenai ilusion, Anko's cursed Seal or later Tsunade's boost for me.

Personally battles for me went between long and boring for the missions (after you are strong enough to survive even the harder ones, it still takes some turns) unless you aim for the luck-based skill, I'm guessing Kurenai's, that seems to kill in one hit when it works, to a bit too hard without preparation like using the money from costumes/gacha for costume ingredients to fill a scroll for Tenten's skill. Which I did not do.

But of those that gave me a hard time, using basic attack seemed to be more worthy time-wise, especially since the chance of Ino's paralysis lasting more than the very turn it was used seemed pretty small.
Heal, as you said, not worth it.
Poison, added a bit of damage but not enough to compensate the change in damage from just punching.
After they appeared, using two turns to unlock Anko's and Tsunade's skills and double-buff attack seemed much better... after I could use them.

I definitely am not sure how I defeated Tsunade at the time. Since she seemed to regen at every end of turn more than I dealt damage. And I lacked Kurenai's one-hit-kill or Anko's hp-for-power-boost. I did my best with Ino's paralysis, but it sometimes lasted only that one turn if it even hit.

Also really dislike the battle system itself. Especially since I have to click in everything, even the enemy even when there is only one.

 

[Tenzai]

Alright Act1 seem to be done now so i will go over some points without writing review because this thing is far from complete so review at this point seem useless.

1. Combat is easy as fuck, even easier than what you can cook up in rpgmaker, the only somewhat challenging character in the entire act1 was Tsunade herself but even her i defeated without problems, all i needed is stun and poison skills, didn't even use my 500k ryo weapons scroll which would hit her for 50k damage, more than her hp and then some, 300k would have been enough and unleashed during her phase2. Anyway, yeah. If you plan on doing combat... maybe take your time with it or don't bother at all if it's too much effort.
I hate half-ass.

2. Some skills were utterly useless you need to reconsider them.
Problem: In the first in-game week or so i maxed all my stats to 50 because nothing prevented me from doing that, which is where the current hard cap is.
This made skills that increase stats utterly worthless, never bothered with them during Tsun fight.
The consumption rate of your chakra is also a bit too high for Tsunade skill making it even more worthless.

Other skills i found pointless:
*Chakra heal is worthless because the amount of chakra it restores is just ridiculously tiny, i believe when i tested it it was restoring 90 chakra when i have 25.000 pool..... like... are you serious?
*The skill you get from taming Anko is pretty much the same as the skill you get from taming Tsunade, both equally useless but this one even more so because on top of chakra-per-turn consumption it also has hp-per-turn consumption lol.
*Genjutsu you get from Kurenai is only mildly useful, for killing bears. This better get some high-end version in future acts otherwise it'll be only useful against trash targets but heck.. maybe that's okay?
If you gonna keep it at trash-level then at least make it aoe so i can kill my bears with it more easily lol.

So yeah, again, skills i found useful:
Lesser byakugan from Hinata which makes stats of enemies visible.
Stun from Ino which aparently works even on high-end targets such as Tsunade.
Poison from Shizune, which counteracted Tsunades regeneration so well i was quite impressed.
Weapon scroll skill from Tenten, using which you can kill anyone because it's damage is based on how much money you dump into it, which is, quite frankly... op as fuck.
This should get hard-cap on the amount of money you can dump into it unless you want players to piss on your bosses like they're nothing.
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Anyway, i'd rate your game in it's current state like this: Great concept, rather meh execution.
I'll be keeping an eye on the game though, i believe you have the chops to make this into something quite great if you really put your muzzle to it.
With this, i excuse myself for now. Good luck!

I just want to point out that your criticism makes no sense. You didn't even need to fight Tsunade if you have everyone controlled. This isn't a fighting game lol. It's a hentai game that's telling a good story. If you want a game like you're describing, then go play Xenoblade Chronicles.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

I just want to point out that your criticism makes no sense. You didn't even need to fight Tsunade if you have everyone controlled. This isn't a fighting game lol. It's a hentai game that's telling a good story. If you want a game like you're describing, then go play Xenoblade Chronicles.

You're missing the point pal.
This game has combat, period.
If it has combat, it has to be good combat. Nobody wants shit combat because.
To that end i shared my thoughts, what happens after that is up to doggo.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

Ino's paralysis lasting more than the very turn it was used seemed pretty small.

Actually it seem to be random how long it lasts. (or stat based)
I stunned Tsunade with it for like 5 turns a couple times during my fight with her.
That is also quite op.

Poison, added a bit of damage but not enough to compensate the change in damage from just punching.

Poison is only worth using on high-hp targets like Tsunade.
You poison her, then just stun her, if stun stuck for more than one turn i simply used basic attack to compliment poison which resulted in about 700-1000 extra damage per hit on top of a lot of damage from poison. She went down quick enough with that.

And I lacked Kurenai's one-hit-kill

It doesn't work on Tsunade i think, which makes sense since she's a boss.
Kuro's genjutsu skill at it's current level was only meant for trash like bears or ninjas.
Personally i'd prefer if it was instant damage based on your stats instead of chance for a k.o. but oh well, gotta work with what you have i guess.

I did my best with Ino's paralysis, but it sometimes lasted only that one turn if it even hit.

Perhaps it's power is based on one of the stats and at the time you had that stat at below-recommended for something like Tsunade fight. I had no problem with 25.000 chakra pool, if it procced only for 1 turn i simply cast again until it sticks for more than 1 turn, which in my case it did fairly often.
Try my tactics yourself if you don't believe me, max your stats first and steamroll through the game ez.

 

[HUNUTAN]

You're missing the point pal.
This game has combat, period.
If it has combat, it has to be good combat. Nobody wants shit combat because.
To that end i shared my thoughts, what happens after that is up to doggo.

Are you insane?
Quality combat is not required from this game. You will not find a quality battle in many games, and in games it is for this very battle and intended. That is, full-fledged game projects, and even if they are AAA, this still does not mean that the battles there will be done with high quality.
So your statements are either delirium of the mentally ill or hating towards the game developer.
So if you have at least a gram of prudence left, do not write such unacceptable comments anymore.

 

[Tenzai]

You're missing the point pal.
This game has combat, period.
If it has combat, it has to be good combat. Nobody wants shit combat because.
To that end i shared my thoughts, what happens after that is up to doggo.

That's where you're wrong. Just because it has combat, doesn't mean the combat has to be good. Combat might be in the game, but it's not the focus. You don't even need combat to do the story. The skills are there for those who want a little bit of extra fun, but they're not needed. You can completely move through the game without it. Again, if you want to focus on combat, then go play a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or something.

 

[YoraeRasante]

Are you insane?
Quality combat is not required from this game. You will not find a quality battle in many games, and in games it is for this very battle and intended. That is, full-fledged game projects, and even if they are AAA, this still does not mean that the battles there will be done with high quality.
So your statements are either delirium of the mentally ill or hating towards the game developer.
So if you have at least a gram of prudence left, do not write such unacceptable comments anymore.

That's where you're wrong. Just because it has combat, doesn't mean the combat has to be good. Combat might be in the game, but it's not the focus. You don't even need combat to do the story. The skills are there for those who want a little bit of extra fun, but they're not needed. You can completely move through the game without it. Again, if you want to focus on combat, then go play a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or something.

I'm pretty sure you guys are not getting VoidTraveler's point.

It is true, quality combat is not required in this game.

Combat is not required in this game. Period.
Yet the game makes you do so, not just for Tsunade if you can't get all the extra girls (and look at how many people have problems getting Anko, so many could not and had to fight her) but on Act 2 for the Suna girls.
Plus to get money and pieces for the costumes.

So VoidTraveler's point is that, if you are going to add combat, and put it required at some points to get all the content (remember, even without fighting Tsunade you need it for money and costumes)...
Make it good.

 

[mrttao]

Is Anko bugged? I can't seem to trigger her.
Fucked everyone at 100 lust during the day, ate cisterns-worth of fish ramen... still nothing.
Even went and enabled the permission to masturbate then fed them some aphro to rise lust back up and fuck them during the day again... and still nothing.

This thing seriously needs to work differently because it seem kinda retarded.

IIRC you need to forbid the girls from masturbating to let their lust grow to the point where they force you to fuck them in public.
And IIRC it needs to happen in the training field where anko catches you in the act. which starts her arc

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

IIRC you need to forbid the girls from masturbating to let their lust grow to the point where they force you to fuck them in public.
And IIRC it needs to happen in the training field where anko catches you in the act. which starts her arc

Forbid i did but it still did nothing.
But, i didn't try Tenten because i kinda.... forgot about her.
So then, Tenten is the initial trigger?
Something to remember for when i'm gonna be replaying this.

 

[mrttao]

Forbid i did but it still did nothing.
But, i didn't try Tenten because i kinda.... forgot about her.
So then, Tenten is the initial trigger?
Something to remember for when i'm gonna be replaying this.

IIRC yes it is tenten at the training field.

 

[RareFishSticks]

MORE HOT GIRLS

 

[maxrufi109]

Can someone send a full save file pls?

 

[Erf2482]

Are you insane?
Quality combat is not required from this game. You will not find a quality battle in many games, and in games it is for this very battle and intended. That is, full-fledged game projects, and even if they are AAA, this still does not mean that the battles there will be done with high quality.
So your statements are either delirium of the mentally ill or hating towards the game developer.
So if you have at least a gram of prudence left, do not write such unacceptable comments anymore.

That's where you're wrong. Just because it has combat, doesn't mean the combat has to be good. Combat might be in the game, but it's not the focus. You don't even need combat to do the story. The skills are there for those who want a little bit of extra fun, but they're not needed. You can completely move through the game without it. Again, if you want to focus on combat, then go play a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or something.

I had yet to see people be so apologetic about a poorly implemented game mechanic. The lad's point and, truthfully I share it, is that when making a fighting mechanic in a game, either make it at least passable, or don't implement it until it's ironed out fully.

I really enjoy this game, truly. It's got a lot of fixes to do but the one and only thing I find somewhat bothersome is the combat. You DO need to fight in the game at some points in the story and you DO need to fight if you want to see all the content, outfits and such. The thing is that combat is a drag and a grindfest. The fact that it is poorly balanced is a problem in itself, but I'd argue the worst thing about it is how much clicking you have to do for anything involving a battle. You can't just mindlessly punch your way through victory even on C-Rank missions and if you do happen to do that, you might win one fight, but you'll have to rest until the next day to recover from the huge amount of damage you'll have taken.

Seriously guys, the game is nice, and anyone even the devs would surely agree that some things are worth reworking. In the end we all want to have a good time. And frankly if after selecting the "violent ninja" mission it could just skip me to the end of the day with the rewards, I would gladly enjoy the option. I'm here to see big tiddies, not to do chores.

As a sidenote, please refrain rom the whole hyperbolic "you must be insane, or be severly impaired on the cognitive level" and other crap like this. It doesn't make for a good discussion.

 

[mrttao]

I had yet to see people be so apologetic about a poorly implemented game mechanic.

I agree with your post.
I just wanted to say though that I am shocked that this is your first time seeing fans engaging in ridiculous mental gymnastics to justify a bad mechanic

Seriously guys, the game is nice, and anyone even the devs would surely agree that some things are worth reworking. In the end we all want to have a good time. And frankly if after selecting the "violent ninja" mission it could just skip me to the end of the day with the rewards, I would gladly enjoy the option. I'm here to see big tiddies, not to do chores.

Yea, some games have a "placeholder for combat mechanic. for now you just win" where it just jumps you to the reward without forcing you to play through a bad and incomplete grindfest of a mechanic

In this game specifically I am completely ignoring all the outfits that require combat. I did do some for the mandatory parts though and it was a waste of time.

 

[MLGKwikSkop]

I had yet to see people be so apologetic about a poorly implemented game mechanic. The lad's point and, truthfully I share it, is that when making a fighting mechanic in a game, either make it at least passable, or don't implement it until it's ironed out fully.

I really enjoy this game, truly. It's got a lot of fixes to do but the one and only thing I find somewhat bothersome is the combat. You DO need to fight in the game at some points in the story and you DO need to fight if you want to see all the content, outfits and such. The thing is that combat is a drag and a grindfest. The fact that it is poorly balanced is a problem in itself, but I'd argue the worst thing about it is how much clicking you have to do for anything involving a battle. You can't just mindlessly punch your way through victory even on C-Rank missions and if you do happen to do that, you might win one fight, but you'll have to rest until the next day to recover from the huge amount of damage you'll have taken.

Seriously guys, the game is nice, and anyone even the devs would surely agree that some things are worth reworking. In the end we all want to have a good time. And frankly if after selecting the "violent ninja" mission it could just skip me to the end of the day with the rewards, I would gladly enjoy the option. I'm here to see big tiddies, not to do chores.

As a sidenote, please refrain rom the whole hyperbolic "you must be insane, or be severly impaired on the cognitive level" and other crap like this. It doesn't make for a good discussion.

Regarding the bolded sentence, most fights become easy with max stats and many can be done in one day without healing.

 

[mrttao]

Regarding the bolded sentence, most fights become easy with max stats and many can be done in one day without healing.

that does not in any way address the bolded part.

 

[YoraeRasante]

Regarding the bolded sentence, most fights become easy with max stats and many can be done in one day without healing.

yeah... you do need to grind for a while to max stats, you know...

 

[MLGKwikSkop]

yeah... you do need to grind for a while to max stats, you know...

Skip all, skip after choices. Max stats takes like 5 minutes.

that does not in any way address the bolded part.

Except it literally does. I can't help you if you can't figure that out.

 

[speedapple]

speedapple going back to my removed message, about my personal opinions about the girl mechanics.

I will write about the interactions in Act 1 because...

well, in my mind the main problem of Act 2 are very easy to explain: they are just cardboard cutouts, with the Suna girls barely a short scene of personality, Temari, save for the intro, three scenes for the full takeover and all of them just it, and if Samuit got more than just intro and takeover I can't see because she doesn't apprear in the menu for me.

I do not expect you to go back and change Act 1, of course, but at least keep it in mind for Act 2 and beyond.

I have two major things I dislike that were, technically, already removed? and some ideas on what to put in their place that makes it better than the current state.

The control minigames.
I know it is supposed to be an interaction so we can see it is an effort by the MC to do so, but as shown later it can be done with blinking screen and acting like he got tired.
There in no need to make the player click fast to fill a lowering bar, or go through a maze of what used to be screamers.

Another issue is the "control" variable, that increases by doing repeating actions to unlock the next level.

My idea to use in their place (or of the "skip" currently in Act 2) is character interaction.

To be able to advance the control, you need the girls' trust, and to get that you help them in a task or personal issue.
As you get more control, you also got more trust, letting them tell you more personal issues and, as you help them through those, you get even more trust and can control them even more.

The actual "control up" scene is not that big a deal, but by the end the MC makes them do the newly-unlocked action once to confirm in the girl's mind his control over her. After that he can talk to her outside the bedroom to get the next mission.
After that, every scene can be repeated in that level of control. Bonus points, you can "lower the control" and experience the scenes with their personality from lower control levels too.

It is an idea similar to the mental labyrinths on your own Nano-control, but it is all external through getting their trust instead of a journey through their minds like in there.
And with this, the more personal stories would be experienced right before the very last control, while in Nano-control the last one was basically just a formality.

Anyway, like before it was removed, just my 2 cents. I am sure some would disagree too.

Ah, the trust thing is a bit of an issue for the most part due to location differences and such. I'm trying to do a more research/ item based thing atm with the Kumo girls that'll hopefully improve on the thing a bit. The reverting back to lower level thing probably won't be implemented cause of plot and some other reasons.

Now i'm curious. Will Boruto, Himawari, Sarada, and Inojin existed in the 'future' arc?
Or we'll get new different timeline?

Keeping the timeline as close as it is to the original is the easy way for the mc to accomplish his goal, but it will repeat the stupid argument all over again.
Or you already have a roundabout plot for it?

Actually it seem to be random how long it lasts. (or stat based)
I stunned Tsunade with it for like 5 turns a couple times during my fight with her.
That is also quite op.

Poison is only worth using on high-hp targets like Tsunade.
You poison her, then just stun her, if stun stuck for more than one turn i simply used basic attack to compliment poison which resulted in about 700-1000 extra damage per hit on top of a lot of damage from poison. She went down quick enough with that.

It doesn't work on Tsunade i think, which makes sense since she's a boss.
Kuro's genjutsu skill at it's current level was only meant for trash like bears or ninjas.
Personally i'd prefer if it was instant damage based on your stats instead of chance for a k.o. but oh well, gotta work with what you have i guess.

Perhaps it's power is based on one of the stats and at the time you had that stat at below-recommended for something like Tsunade fight. I had no problem with 25.000 chakra pool, if it procced only for 1 turn i simply cast again until it sticks for more than 1 turn, which in my case it did fairly often.
Try my tactics yourself if you don't believe me, max your stats first and steamroll through the game ez.

Anko being locked behind Tenten was mostly to pair the side girls up with the main girls.
-Hinata to get Kurenai
-Sakura to get Shizune, which Ino will provide help if you have her at a high enough level.
-Tenten for Anko

Oh, just a bit of a fun fact. You instant kill move could technically work on Tsunade if you "overcharge" your stats with Anko's skill, odds aren't super high tho.

The Tsunade fight could pretty much be skipped if you failed it once or controlled all 3 of the girls, thought it would be nice for people that aren't that prepared or interested in the combat. Though on a side note, it was pretty fun to hear about the stuff people were trying out when the fight was released lol, there were some stuff that I didn't quite expected to see lol.

I had yet to see people be so apologetic about a poorly implemented game mechanic. The lad's point and, truthfully I share it, is that when making a fighting mechanic in a game, either make it at least passable, or don't implement it until it's ironed out fully.

I really enjoy this game, truly. It's got a lot of fixes to do but the one and only thing I find somewhat bothersome is the combat. You DO need to fight in the game at some points in the story and you DO need to fight if you want to see all the content, outfits and such. The thing is that combat is a drag and a grindfest. The fact that it is poorly balanced is a problem in itself, but I'd argue the worst thing about it is how much clicking you have to do for anything involving a battle. You can't just mindlessly punch your way through victory even on C-Rank missions and if you do happen to do that, you might win one fight, but you'll have to rest until the next day to recover from the huge amount of damage you'll have taken.

Seriously guys, the game is nice, and anyone even the devs would surely agree that some things are worth reworking. In the end we all want to have a good time. And frankly if after selecting the "violent ninja" mission it could just skip me to the end of the day with the rewards, I would gladly enjoy the option. I'm here to see big tiddies, not to do chores.

As a sidenote, please refrain rom the whole hyperbolic "you must be insane, or be severly impaired on the cognitive level" and other crap like this. It doesn't make for a good discussion.

that does not in any way address the bolded part.

yeah... you do need to grind for a while to max stats, you know...

Skip all, skip after choices. Max stats takes like 5 minutes.


Except it literally does. I can't help you if you can't figure that out.

Not quoting everything cause think it'll be too annoying for people reading this but generally:
The combat definitely needs a bit of rebalancing as well as some tweaks to some of the UI.

Like, for real though, if y'all have suggestions or ideas I'll definitely be open to it! Most of the time, when I ask for suggestions for the combat, I end up with responses like "Make it better" which is kinda vague to say the least, so I'll definitely appreciate any suggestion and ideas for specific issues y'all have with the combat system!

But keep it civil guys, can't help but to feel the thread is getting more hostile for some reason. We're all here to have a good time haha, no need to get mad at the each other.

Let me know if y'all have more questions or feedback, or if I missed anything, have a killer headache for the past few days and can't really focus well lol.

 

[Erf2482]

Ah, the trust thing is a bit of an issue for the most part due to location differences and such. I'm trying to do a more research/ item based thing atm with the Kumo girls that'll hopefully improve on the thing a bit. The reverting back to lower level thing probably won't be implemented cause of plot and some other reasons.




Anko being locked behind Tenten was mostly to pair the side girls up with the main girls.
-Hinata to get Kurenai
-Sakura to get Shizune, which Ino will provide help if you have her at a high enough level.
-Tenten for Anko

Oh, just a bit of a fun fact. You instant kill move could technically work on Tsunade if you "overcharge" your stats with Anko's skill, odds aren't super high tho.

The Tsunade fight could pretty much be skipped if you failed it once or controlled all 3 of the girls, thought it would be nice for people that aren't that prepared or interested in the combat. Though on a side note, it was pretty fun to hear about the stuff people were trying out when the fight was released lol, there were some stuff that I didn't quite expected to see lol.





Not quoting everything cause think it'll be too annoying for people reading this but generally:
The combat definitely needs a bit of rebalancing as well as some tweaks to some of the UI.

Like, for real though, if y'all have suggestions or ideas I'll definitely be open to it! Most of the time, when I ask for suggestions for the combat, I end up with responses like "Make it better" which is kinda vague to say the least, so I'll definitely appreciate any suggestion and ideas for specific issues y'all have with the combat system!

But keep it civil guys, can't help but to feel the thread is getting more hostile for some reason. We're all here to have a good time haha, no need to get mad at the each other.

Let me know if y'all have more questions or feedback, or if I missed anything, have a killer headache for the past few days and can't really focus well lol.

Thank you very much for the great response and for stepping in.
I'd be glad to give the battle system a thought if you really want people's opinions, but so far I think my best advice would be to have a way to make it optional. The idea would be that missions would have a certain treshold of required stats in order to be completed, and once the toggle for "skip battles" is on you'd end up essentially getting the reward automatically and you'd get sent directly to the room at night for a rest. This isn't fixing Combat in itself, but it's at least making the grind less painful IMO. This doesn't help for Quest Battles like Tsunade or the Suna girls, but in theory that would also allow you to make placeholder missions. I noticed there aren't any missions for A or S Rank yet, so before you even have a proper enemy to fight in those you could still make them available, only those would immediatly "skip" the fight. This should allow you to have missions that require a higher cap in stats, which in turn would make the player level up their stats and indirectly prepare them for the Tsunade fight.

Thanks for reading, and I hope you get better from your headache. These things really mess you up.