VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.1 Part I] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[ZoeySwitch]

I just want to say that I very rarely comment on these forums. I'm more a vouyer but honestly was so enraged by the following post I couldn't keep quiet.

I feel safe saying this (as it's not a kink...so therefore no shaming involved) but I do not even believe in the concept of switching..let alone being a whataver a 'true' switch is. There's no such thing in my humble opinion. Being a dom or a sub (talking true submissive here, not what is in KG which is not submissiveness) is a state of being...a mindset...it's who and what you are...part of your very core self...not something you switch around like a light.

Sorry...but anyone who says that is not someone I can ever, or will ever take seriously. Next you'll be telling me you can train subs/are a brat trainer and think Fetlife is a good site to hang out in.

I think it is perhaps best we close this entire conversation as no, we will never see eye to eye, especially when you believe that a dom will never understand your pov on that path when the reality is, I can probably understand it far better.

Have a good Christmas.

Wow. I have never come across a post so offensive on this forum.
Firstly you say that switch is not a kink and there fore you are not kink shaming. Wow.
As a switch let me educate you. A kink is classed as catch all term for a range of consensual practices. This can include but are not limited to role play, power dynamics or fetishes. Since being a Dominant, A submissive or a switch which is someone whois bot dominant and submissive dependant on who their partner is or are would be classed as power dynamics it is there for a kink... Me personally I am dominant to women and submissive to men and yes I class myself as bi sexual. Or do you not believe in that either.
You also said not kink shaming here but in the next breath you don't believe someone can be a switch. Is that not the very definition of kink shaming. (From Google. Kink shame is to disrespect or devalue a person for his or hers particular kink or fetish)

Secondly you say that the content of this game is not submissiveness. Then please tell me what the sub route is? Does it not have content about domination and submitting to a greater power. Training those they deam below them to be submissive and or in slavery.

Thirdly. I do get what the other members are saying about Olivia. I do not believe she is evil as they put it but she does act differently towards the different types of the MC. Where the MC is submissive and the sister is dominant she acts more colder to her brother than she does on his dominant route. I do also believe she does take a small amount of pleasure in being distant with him under the guise of being watched by those higher than her. She is still being watched by them on his dominant route but acts better towards him.

Lastly there is nothing wrong with fetlife as long as you use common sense. It is how I got to know my current master and his wife and now live 24/7 as his submissive and her Domme and yes that does mean she serves 2 dominants.

I hope that I have educated the members on this site.
I hope that I am not breaking the forum rules in this post. My aim is to educate and also talk about the current game version and it's thread.

 

[rosethorn87]

Twas the night before Christmas, Whipping sounds fill the nightly room…

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I laughed way to much at this lol

 

[motseer]

Well, if we compare our "slave lists", they overlap in some ways, but I think that your "slave Nadia" looks even less realistic than my "slave Juliette"

Yeah, you're right, although, my list wasn't an attempt to apply my "reality" to a dystopian sadomasochistic society. It was more of a "shotgun" how I react to them kinda thing. If I were to attempt a list based on how a Z5 "ruler" Kane would deal with them, there would only be two categories; redeemable and irredeemable. I would never dream of trying to build a list based on what I think Tess might "allow". Haha... There are just sooooooooo many things wrong with that thought if you're me... Jus' Sayin'

 

[Stan5851]

Could mean a lot of things but the way I personally read it and take it is that in every scene with Kane...there is a higher ranking female there too. You ever conciously noticed that? I take that sentence to mean this will no longer be the case, be that on a sexual or non-sexual scene.

Kane will become his own man...without the need of a higher rank being around. I could be completely wrong but that's how I read it.

Mav, thanks for the reply..But if this does turn out to be the case, I can't say I'll be happy about it...I mean, I'm all for Kane's independence and long-awaited "proactivity" instead of "reactivity," but what about all the love relationships we have with the Karlsson sisters, not to mention Olivia? I don't mind romantic time together (like walks in the park), but I want sex too.

IMO, "that train left a long time ago", and Tess realized too late that KaneDom shouldn't just bang all the women in a row...because, in fact, that's what our Dom Kane has been doing all through seasons 1 and 2, not forgetting, by the way, to fuck the Karlsson sisters..

But f you're right, I'm afraid the long-awaited sex with Olivia may be moved to any number of updates, just because Tess suddenly decided to tease the Dom players.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

so we're probs not reaching z rank till 2026 which sooks.

As for Nadia, that's gonna be Kane's right hand man, I could care less about her proclivities as long as she doesn't practice them on Kane

 

[Maviarab]

Sometimes I feel like I need a personal Rosetta stone to decipher what Tess means. I think she could phrase these things a bit clearer, she's certainly capable of that.

Oh she is for sure...but Tess does enjoy being cryptic hehehe.

Maviarab, you already know that English is not my native language and sometimes I face "translation difficulties". Could you please help me to understand what Tess meant in this phrase, which I have highlighted in a separate color?

Did I understand correctly that this will be a kind of "cutting down/reducing" of the sex scenes and that in future scenes with Olivia and the Council members (Karlsson sisters) Kane will not have such a pronounced dominant role and everything will be "on equal footing"? Or should that Tess phrase be taken the other way around, and that in these future sex scenes with Olivia and the Board members, our KaneDom will, on the contrary, be even more assertive than it is now?

From the official Ep8 walkthrough:

Z rank: Kane will NOT get to Z1 by Part 3, but in Episode 9 it will be possible if he hits a key flag within the M rank outcome. If on this track, Episode 9 Is really when Kane will finally kind of "break free" from a lot of oversight and the narrative will shift a bit more to Kane actively planning/being more proactive versus reactive. There will also be less female/male pair scenes if desired (meaning Kane is the highest ranking person in the scene, not always with say Olivia or a Board member for a lot of scenes) as well.
This long-term planning is by design because he did not start off as strongly as Olivia and had to bide his time patiently, etc. I feel the game is much more realistic if Kane had to work his way up so to speak versus just fucking every female right away, etc. So think of this unique situation as Kane being told he is now M rank, but on a special fast track for executive training. He will in this status be treated differently than a "normal" M ranked Kane at the end of Part 3.

Could mean a lot of things but the way I personally read it and take it is that in every scene with Kane...there is a higher ranking female there too. You ever conciously noticed that? I take that sentence to mean this will no longer be the case, be that on a sexual or non-sexual scene.

Kane will become his own man...without the need of a higher rank being around. I could be completely wrong but that's how I read it.

Been thinking more on this while I had a coffee....

To compund on my above post...I can only think right now of four ocassions where Kane has not been with a higher up (when he literally isn't doing anything).

First time is when Dominique lets him leave for some time with Junko after work experience if on the Junko path. But it's Dominique's decision.

The only other two ocassions are when either Junko comes to see Kane in his room (and then sneaks him to see Otto) but I assume she asked permission to see him...and the most important one perhaps, is the flip of this scene if not on Junko's path...when Sam and Scarlet come to see Kane. This...is the first (from memory) time that Kane can do something completely of his own volition and free will.

Again, like with Junko, I assume elena sent them to see us (and we can turn them down)....but even though we do not know their ranks, I would guess they were at least a similar rank to kane (if we 'wrongly' equate them as equal)...so would put both Sam and Scarlet at K7/8. (the other big one most will miss due to losing Olivia points, is taking the ceremony venue job. You have again, complete free will to do what you want with Hiyori...however, caveat on this...two Karlsson sisters are in the car behind yours so you're not exactly...alone).

Even the seemingly inocculus event of Pod training with Taylor at Dominique's mine house....Taylor is still a high ranking staff member and ultimately, I would imagine...even an S1 would outrank a K9 Kane. Staff are still staff....and until in management, Kane is still part of the 'program'.

So going forward yeah, Kane will start doing his own thing....without insight of a high ranking staff member or board member around.

I don't think it will mean less content with potential love interests, more what I stated above. as for Olivia hehe, c'mon Stan, you've been around the AVN scene for long enough, she the golden sheep, the holy grail...she be dragged out for a little while longer I'd imagine

 

[jadepaladin]

I could be wrong, feel free to correct me if I am. I believe the first scene where Kane was able to fuck someone lower than him without another person being in the room or involved was the slave with the hood when Katsumi/Olivia discuss the gameshow. My understanding of Tess's statement is that we will get more scenes like that, where Kane can go grab Amy, or people generally lower than him for whatever he wants (within reason) and without having to get permission from someone higher up the chain.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Speaking of which how is pig not on that tier list? if the dekocks servant is on the list for one scene, then surely the pig should be there as well

 

[Maviarab]

As a switch let me educate you.

One should really understand the difference between a kink and a fetish and being a Dom/Sub is neither as it's very much a personality trait, as I said, a state of mind, a state of being...far more than sexual, especially when D/s is probably 90+% pyschological in the first place.

Then please tell me what the sub route is? Does it not have content about domination and submitting to a greater power

No..it doesn't contain either actually

Now, I know for a fact, warnings have been given out for posts before and after mine. So the mods have seen my post. Should you be sooooo offended, then by all means feel free to report it (again...as I can guarantee it already has been), but as it probably has and has not been removed, my statement stands. Tell me something, does SubKane have free will? No? Then no more questions your honor.

Fetlife is a toxic cesspit of idiots, wannabe's and fakes. Has been for years (and I been doing this far longer than fetlife has been around btw). As for being offended...that's on you, not me.

You have a good holidays.

 

[rosethorn87]

I just want to say that I very rarely comment on these forums. I'm more a vouyer but honestly was so enraged by the following post I couldn't keep quiet.


Wow. I have never come across a post so offensive on this forum.
Firstly you say that switch is not a kink and there fore you are not kink shaming. Wow.
As a switch let me educate you. A kink is classed as catch all term for a range of consensual practices. This can include but are not limited to role play, power dynamics or fetishes. Since being a Dominant, A submissive or a switch which is someone whois bot dominant and submissive dependant on who their partner is or are would be classed as power dynamics it is there for a kink... Me personally I am dominant to women and submissive to men and yes I class myself as bi sexual. Or do you not believe in that either.
You also said not kink shaming here but in the next breath you don't believe someone can be a switch. Is that not the very definition of kink shaming. (From Google. Kink shame is to disrespect or devalue a person for his or hers particular kink or fetish)

Secondly you say that the content of this game is not submissiveness. Then please tell me what the sub route is? Does it not have content about domination and submitting to a greater power. Training those they deam below them to be submissive and or in slavery.

Thirdly. I do get what the other members are saying about Olivia. I do not believe she is evil as they put it but she does act differently towards the different types of the MC. Where the MC is submissive and the sister is dominant she acts more colder to her brother than she does on his dominant route. I do also believe she does take a small amount of pleasure in being distant with him under the guise of being watched by those higher than her. She is still being watched by them on his dominant route but acts better towards him.

Lastly there is nothing wrong with fetlife as long as you use common sense. It is how I got to know my current master and his wife and now live 24/7 as his submissive and her Domme and yes that does mean she serves 2 dominants.

I hope that I have educated the members on this site.
I hope that I am not breaking the forum rules in this post. My aim is to educate and also talk about the current game version and it's thread.

What a wonderfuly written post as a dominant I agree with your view points

 

[Silver_Crow117]

No..it doesn't contain either actually.

Now, I know for a fact, warnings have been given out for posts before and after mine. So the mods have seen my post. Should you be sooooo offended, then by all means feel free to report it (again...as I can guarantee it already has been), but as it probably has and has not been removed, my statement stands. Tell me something, does SubKane have free will? No? we no longer need to discuss this then do we as you will always fail to understand.

Fetlife is a toxic cesspit of idiots, wannabe's and fakes. Has been for years (and I been doing this far longer than fetlife has been around btw). As for being offended...that's on you, not me.

You have a good holidays.

That’s soo wrong Mav.,. sub Kane does have free will!! In some instances…the Player can choose to have Kane get farted on

 

[Maviarab]

That’s soo wrong Mav.,. sub Kane does have free will!! In some instances…the Player can choose to have Kane get farted on

Touche Silver...touche

 

[ZoeySwitch]

No..it doesn't contain either actually.

Now, I know for a fact, warnings have been given out for posts before and after mine. So the mods have seen my post. Should you be sooooo offended, then by all means feel free to report it (again...as I can guarantee it already has been), but as it probably has and has not been removed, my statement stands. Tell me something, does SubKane have free will? No? we no longer need to discuss this then do we as you will always fail to understand.

Fetlife is a toxic cesspit of idiots, wannabe's and fakes. Has been for years (and I been doing this far longer than fetlife has been around btw). As for being offended...that's on you, not me.

You have a good holidays.

Well please do educate me about what the Dom and sub routes are about then.

Yes there are numerous occasions where we the players make a choice on behalf on the MC from the very first choice we are given in the game to the very last where he chooses to join his sister or not. Or am I now wrong about what free will is.

Are you one of the developers for this game because you certainly have a lot of opinions about what this game is and is not.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Touche Silver...touche

I will say, it will be interesting to see how, sneaking around/espionage will work with sub Kane since that’ll be one of the mechanics after the gameshow where the factions are more relevant

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[Stan5851]

That’s soo wrong Mav.,. sub Kane does have free will!! In some instances…the Player can choose to have Kane get farted on

Well, if there's no free will, then Kane must have his own "stop word"! What, he doesn't have one either? Oh, no! But jokes aside, perhaps the problem is that some players, in a misguided attempt to judge this game by the usual BDSM criteria, refuse to realize one simple thing - immutable BDSM postulates "safe, sane and consensual" don't work here.

I think the game should be seen simply as a great dystopian post-apocalyptic fantasy that Tess managed to bring to life in the form of the written scenario and then the game itself. And if we look closely, the Dom route also doesn't feel at all like "domination as an element of a power exchange game".

There is no "game" here, but a harsh reality in which there is a race of slaves and a race of Masters, and there is a chosen one (Kane) who can come to the ultimate goal in different ways - either by submitting (sub) and making an alliance with stronger and more powerful figures, or by becoming a powerful figure himself (Dom), subjugating all the others and taking power into his own hands.

 

[Maviarab]

I will say, it will be interesting to see how, sneaking around/espionage will work with sub Kane since that’ll be one of the mechanics after the gameshow where the factions are more relevant

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Will be very interesting indeed yes....SubKane sneaking about sounds a lot of fun actually.

 

[motseer]

No..it doesn't contain either actually.

Now, I know for a fact, warnings have been given out for posts before and after mine. So the mods have seen my post. Should you be sooooo offended, then by all means feel free to report it (again...as I can guarantee it already has been), but as it probably has and has not been removed, my statement stands. Tell me something, does SubKane have free will? No? Then no more questions your honor.

Fetlife is a toxic cesspit of idiots, wannabe's and fakes. Has been for years (and I been doing this far longer than fetlife has been around btw). As for being offended...that's on you, not me.

You have a good holidays.

In fairness, Mav, Mr. Switch, with his, "As a switch let me educate you" post, has done an adequate job of showing me his "Dom" side. Perhaps an even better effort at demonstrating his "Sub" side in another post could convince me that a "Switch" can be more than just a cut sapling... Jus' Sayin'