VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.1 Part I] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Maviarab]

Okay, so...

Cole and Cynthia are siblings, right?
Is DeKock Cynthia's maiden name or her new last name after she married Michael DeKock?

Correct.
I 'assume' (perhaps wrongly) it is her maiden name. It's an awkward one. Tess has been through my character sheet (and timeline) and the only faults she found were some staff ranks I guessed that were not actually confirmed yet lol. So guessing DeKock is their family name, is Cole's name (as I have him in both excel sheets)...and Michael was not a DeKock and she kept her maiden name (not unusual at all for a powerful indepandant woman).

However, that could all be completely wrong....been a while since I last went through the story from the very start so could quite possibly be forgetting some conversation nuances as I don't actually recall anyone stating Cole's surname...

So for now, will assume is Cynthia's and Cole's family name as that's what I have in my sheets and Tess has not corrected me....and trust me, when I have made/do make errors (or state incorrect facts), she does bring them to my attention lol.

 

[Stan5851]

Okay, so...

Cole and Cynthia are siblings, right?
Is DeKock Cynthia's maiden name or her new last name after she married Michael DeKock?

Cynthia doesn't look like the kind of woman who would take someone else's last name.. Rather, it's her husband Michael who will come crawling to her on his knees and ask her to make him DeKock (oh yes, this is where the dangerous surname "DeCock"jokes that Delilah warned us all about come into play).

 

[Stan5851]

and Michael was not a DeKock and she kept her maiden name (not unusual for a woerful indepandant woman).

But Stan was unstoppable!

Michael wasn't a DeKock until Cynthia strapped the huge DeCock to her thighs and gave her future husband his new.... ahem.. last name..

 

[Maviarab]

I also forgot todays pics...even though I'm now in tomorrow...if that makes sense.

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[Stan5851]

Correct.
I 'assume' (perhaps wrongly) it is her maiden name. It's an awkward one. Tess has been through my character sheet (and timeline) and the only faults she found were some staff ranks I guessed that were not actually confirmed yet lol. So guessing DeKock is their family name, is Cole's name (as I have him in both excel sheets)...and Michael was not a DeKock and she kept her maiden name (not unusual at all for a powerful indepandant woman).

However, that could all be completely wrong....been a while since I last went through the story from the very start so could quite possibly be forgetting some conversation nuances as I don't actually recall anyone stating Cole's surname...

So for now, will assume is Cynthia's and Cole's family name as that's what I have in my sheets and Tess has not corrected me....and trust me, when I have made/do make errors (or state incorrect facts), she does bring them to my attention lol.

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[Maviarab]

Lot to unpack there....so:

But other than kidding, if your conversation with Tess was exactly as you remembered it, then it makes sense why Delilah calls herself DeKock...We know for a fact that she's not DeKock by blood, but your suggestion that she might be in some way similar to Olivia (in that Cynthia could have been forced to raise her) or that she's just a foster daughter (due to Cynthia's sudden burst of kindness) makes even more sense.

Yeah, maybe slightly different to Olivia (as she does remember elena playing with her) but yes, if she was 'aquired' at a young enough age, then she would never know anything different would she? The bigger question is, as already mentioned, how did Cynthia 'aquire' her? Been discussing this also with Silver, remember Alyssa on the yacht telling Pat that Charlotte was the head of one of the 'big seven families' in New Paris? I'm going out on a limb, but I'm thinking she may be from one of those other families...even possibly a Richelieu...

Silver has shown though with his above screenshots, that she is unaware and can find out...so...we shall just have to wait and see. The more I think on it though the more I'm convinced (given what Cynthia is like and what Phoebe says to both Yvette and Elena about her) that Delilah was probably 'taken'...bargaining piece...debt...whatever.

Cynthia could very well have given her that last name, since it doesn't obligate her to anything, given that her true heirs by blood are her children Stefan and Nadia. But the DeKock surname would give Delilah the feeling that Cynthia sees her as her child, not just a foundling (even if Delilah is not a foundling, but, say, the daughter of some important person)...

Nadia seems unlikely to be hers...her niece though definitely. Again, this is something that is still not confirmed 100% but Tess never actually corrects anyone but reading between all the lines and connecting the numerous dots, she is most likely Cole's daughter...(though in my own sheet, I do still have most of the relations greyed out, as I always will until 100% confirmed in story). Who with...also remains to be seen or stay forever a mystery. We do seem to have a lot of missing never-talked-about parents in KG lol.

Besides, the Karlssons don't need to know that Cynthia sent not Delilah DeKock, whose surname automatically grants a lot of privileges and even protects its bearer, but just some girl who was brought up by her, not belonging to the elite, to spy on them. (I'm not sure about the latter, though, and I think the Karlssons may well know the whole truth about Delilah).

You could be on to something here for sure. We circle back around to the who and where but a potential spy? Very possibly, even likely (originally) perhaps. Do the Karlsson's know who she really is? Again, also possibly given their respources etc etc. Tess says in Silver's other screenshot that she can potentially 'move'. Move? Move faction...desert the DeKocks? Who actually already knows for Delilah to 'find out'? Pretty sure no one in the DeKocks will give that info up freely....

 

[kinkyshin]

Nadia is definitely Kane's half-sister, not his cousin or whatever. On the submissive path, Phoebe tells Kane that he has a sister.

Also, I think the grey masked woman with Callista might actually be Nadia's mother. It does make sense that both mothers of Cole's children are there for his rescue mission. I zoomed in on her eyes and they're green -- same as Nadia's, and she definitely didn't get her green eyes from her dad.



She might be someone quite important too. Nadia says to Otto, "So bad... staring at the half naked body of your boss' precious daughter." I assumed Otto worked for Cynthia, but I guess it's actually her that he works for?

 

[Stan5851]

You could be on to something here for sure. We circle back around to the who and where but a potential spy? Very possibly, even likely (originally) perhaps. Do the Karlsson's know who she really is? Again, also possibly given their respources etc etc. Tess says in Silver's other screenshot that she can potentially 'move'. Move? Move faction...desert the DeKocks? Who actually already knows for Delilah to 'find out'? Pretty sure no one in the DeKocks will give that info up freely....

Well, from what we've seen (in particular, the scene in the submarine cabin where Cynthia talks to Delilah, Stefan and Nadia), we can make a tentative conclusion that Delilah may well betray (if she hasn't already) Cynthia, since it's obvious that there are serious contradictions and disagreements between them. And, to all appearances, Delilah has been playing her own game for a long time, covering herself with the well-known legend that she is a representative of DeKocks, somehow working for the Karlsons and enjoying special privileges...And it's not a fact that Delilah is a double agent, her game could be even more subtle and convoluted.

As for “when she finds out”... I don't know exactly what that might be either, but given that Silver quoted Tess' words about Delilah's flexibility...we can assume that we're talking about the good old KG character flexibility rating that Tess presented in this thread...And in this case her flexibility is quite confirmed by what we see in this list.(given the probably rather polar to each other WS A and C).

 

[Stan5851]

Nadia is definitely Kane's half-sister, not his cousin or whatever. On the submissive path, Phoebe tells Kane that he has a sister.

Also, I think the grey masked woman with Callista might actually be Nadia's mother. It does make sense that both mothers of Cole's children are there for his rescue mission. I zoomed in on her eyes and they're green -- same as Nadia's, and she definitely didn't get her green eyes from her dad.

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She might be someone quite important too. Nadia says to Otto, "So bad... staring at the half naked body of your boss' precious daughter." I assumed Otto worked for Cynthia, but I guess it's actually her that he works for?

A half-sister wouldn't be as genuinely concerned about her brother as Nadia is...Plus, knowing the nature of our game, if they didn't have parents in common, there would probably be the possibility of an affair or at least sex with her...I don't know about the sub route, but on the Dom route, Nadia is just not on the LI list.. In general, it is already clear from the dialogs and hints in the same scen with Veronica and Nadia that she is very close to Kane, as only a real sister can be close to him...

As for the “gray mask” next to the probable Callista (the scene of the DeKocks meeting when they arrive to the Karlssons in a submarine)...well, this is a debatable question..personally, I tend to think that this is actually either Clara or Karin (siblings of the late Alexander)..

 

[kinkyshin]

A half-sister wouldn't be as genuinely concerned about her brother as Nadia is...Plus, knowing the nature of our game, if they didn't have parents in common, there would probably be the possibility of an affair or at least sex with her...I don't know about the sub route, but on the Dom route, Nadia is just not on the LI list.. In general, it is already clear from the dialogs and hints in the same scen with Veronica and Nadia that she is very close to Kane, as only a real sister can be close to him...

A half-sister IS a real sister lol.

You're not confusing half-sister with step-sister, are you?

As for the “gray mask” next to the probable Callista (the scene of the DeKocks meeting when they arrive to the Karlssons in a submarine)...well, this is a debatable question..personally, I tend to think that this is actually either Clara or Karin (siblings of the late Alexander)..

Hey, you know it's possible that we're both right?

Cole + Callista = Kane
Cole + Clara/Karin = Nadia !?

I suppose Delilah could be one of Alexander's sister's children too. Re-reading the boat scene, it's weird how both Nadia and Delilah refer to Cynthia as their mother when at least Nadia definitely knows that Cynthia isn't her mom.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Oft discussed. Until Tess reveals it it's all guess work.... My bet is she is in/or was a similar position to Olivia. Cyntha either 'took her' as payment or to ensure someone did something or she (for once) did a nice thing and took her under wing as a child. She definitely ain't a DeCock though, that's for sure.

I seem to have stimulated a good conversation, me like. But my real question about the Dekocks was, how long until Stefan makes his move? Originally, Stefan was the Dekock heir, but according to Cynthia, he shouldn't feel too comfortable in that role, which would imply that Kane could possibly take over. I can't imagine that Stefan would ignore such a threat.

I like the theory that Nadia is one of the twin's daughters, which now adds a new wrinkle. We originally thought that Alexander was pissed at Cole for being with Callista; what if his actual anger at Cole was for knocking up his sister? The more I think about motives, the more I believe that Callista having a son serves his purposes much better since he can only have daughters. Who better than his brilliant best friend to impregnate Callista to ensure worthy offspring? If she had a daughter, would he have trapped her? Something to consider.

Nadia is definitely Kane's half-sister, not his cousin or whatever. On the submissive path, Phoebe tells Kane that he has a sister.

Also, I think the grey masked woman with Callista might actually be Nadia's mother. It does make sense that both mothers of Cole's children are there for his rescue mission.

Callista is there for her son and only her son. I'm not even sure either woman knows that Cole is alive until they find out about him once they reach the island. Likely thanks to Nadia's hacking.

 

[ZoeySwitch]

In fairness, Mav, Mr. Switch, with his, "As a switch let me educate you" post, has done an adequate job of showing me his "Dom" side. Perhaps an even better effort at demonstrating his "Sub" side in another post could convince me that a "Switch" can be more than just a cut sapling... Jus' Sayin'

I'm not a Mr. I don't need to prove anything, unlike Olivia or even the MC. Also if a switch doesn't exist or a person can't be a Dom and a sub why then have we got a Dom MC but is referred to only by Allesandra as a sub?. I made a mixture of Dom and sub choices for the MC. It is the only way the MC can be on her route. She won't submit to any man, which is a bit of a joke because she is quite submissive to the MC if on the Celeste's cucks her bf path.

 

[motseer]

I'm not a Mr. I don't need to prove anything, unlike Olivia or even the MC. Also if a switch doesn't exist or a person can't be a Dom and a sub why then have we got a Dom MC but is referred to only by Allesandra as a sub?. I made a mixture of Dom and sub choices for the MC. It is the only way the MC can be on her route. She won't submit to any man, which is a bit of a joke because she is quite submissive to the MC if on the Celeste's cucks her bf path.

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