vongoladex

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Shiet, I was so focused on ff7 rebirth that I didn't pay attention to Karlsson's Gambit's new update. Things are getting more and more interesting. Finally we're about to get another k5, probably unlucky guy name Brad
 

DoverUK25

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Final Results from the poll top 3

1st.I play the dom path and prefer a more normal/dominant harem/romance gaining power Kane without extreme evil.97

2nd.I like the sub path, prefer a mix of extreme and gentle72

3rd. I play the dom path, and like the extreme evil path, absolutely would miss it.67
 

actoreg

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I think these results are enough not to remove extreme evil as an option. After all, this is the game of choices and "i'm offended that other people have possibility to get content i don't like so the dev should remove it" position isn't right.
 

gregers

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I think these results are enough not to remove extreme evil as an option. After all, this is the game of choices and "i'm offended that other people have possibility to get content i don't like so the dev should remove it" position isn't right.
While I agree with your first sentence, the second one has never been the issue. Rather, it's "Is having this path in my game worth getting harassed by murder porn nutjobs over?"

Personally, I'm afraid it's a moot question. Even if the dev were to remove the extreme path now, the snuff enthusiasts would just harass her for removing it rather than sending unwelcome suggestions for "improving" it.

But we'll see what she decides.

About Olivia...
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Yeah, this. Any fan theory that relies on Olivia's word is at best dicey.

I'm beginning to regret my evil trandem path because Kane and Seth clearly can't trust her, no matter what the player choices.
 

Piratefishes

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Final Results from the poll top 3

1st.I play the dom path and prefer a more normal/dominant harem/romance gaining power Kane without extreme evil.97

2nd.I like the sub path, prefer a mix of extreme and gentle72

3rd. I play the dom path, and like the extreme evil path, absolutely would miss it.67
Are there overall more subs or doms?
 

gregers

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Are there overall more subs or doms?
The poll allows picking more than one option, I believe (but patrons please correct me if I'm wrong), so anyone who plays more than one path could turn up more than once in the results. Can't really draw hard and fast conclusions about the player base from this.
 
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DoverUK25

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Full poll results
I play the dom path, and love the extreme evil dom path and would be greatly upset losing it.
38


I play the dom path, and like the extreme evil path, absolutely would miss it.
67


I play the dom path and don't care too much about the extreme evil path. I won't miss it too much.
44


I play the dom path and prefer the good path.
47


I play the dom path and prefer a more normal/dominant harem/romance gaining power Kane without extreme evil.
97


I play dom path but primarily for secret sub path, but love the extreme evil path.
8


I play dom path but primarily for secret sub, but like the extreme evil path.
13


I play dom path but primarily for secret sub, don't care about extreme evil path.
18


I play dom path but primarily for secret sub, prefer good path.
19


I play dom path but primarily for secret sub, prefer normal assertive/dominant Kane gaining power/females path.
19


I play mostly/all sub path, but love the extreme evil dom path.
15


I play mostly/all sub path, but like the extreme evil dom path.
16


I play mostly/all sub path, but don't care about the extreme evil path.
25


I play mostly/all sub path, but prefer good dom path.
8


I play mostly/all sub path, but prefer normal Kane assertive/dominant harem/romance path.
13


I play mostly all/sub path, completely ignore the dom path except secret sub
37


I play mostly all/sub path, completely ignore dom path entirely.
23


Side ask from here o n down for research: I like the sub path, prefer more extreme content
59


I like the sub path, prefer a mix of extreme and gentle
72


I like the sub path, prefer a more gentle path generally
19
 

Maviarab

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Are there overall more subs or doms?
If take the full poll..then it seems more doms at first glance.

Which, in all honesty, is not all that surprising. Because, and hear me out, while Tess is a dominatrix herself...this is actually only dressed up as a femdom game, where in reality, it actually isn't at all if you look at all the facts regarding what is probably going to be a logical cannon ending (leading to the next story) in that, a Good/Dom Olivia (and likely Kane also) will be the natural ending.

People may not like that...but there's too many dots connecting it. So while we have powerful and evil woman...and lots of femdom and a recognised sub path, the entire story/plot is really centered on a dom Kane (with Olivia) taking over the company....it's another sleight of hand by Tess, it really isn't a sub/femdom game at all in my opinion. I've made mention before that, a pure femdom game would have probably already been abandoned by now.
 
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The definition of evil is subjective though. For some, the sex scene with Phoebe is evil, while others have no problem with it. Same goes for torture/murder scenes. It can even feel right, not evil, if we think the victim deserved such harsh treatment. So such polls are very inaccurate by their nature, unless specific examples of what Tess considers 'evil' are presented clearly.
 

YuNobi1

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Wooahh wait? Really??? I thought was Alessandra! Damn...now that makes my head spin.....
So red tips ninja is also Grym Gudina? Are we still assuming Alessandra is white tips? Why on earth would Patrica be talking to Veronica then....aaahhh....
NO SPOILERS (Ep. 1-7 info only): Why Alessandra CANNOT be Grym
Ep. 2 opens with Grym ordering Patricia to oversee K's training, but to "do things by the book," but Pat disobeys this order by first offering K the option to cheat (deal), and later following through by eliminating/mitigating the punishment, and offering sex. In Ep. 7, Pat says that she did everything A told her to do with K in the prison, but the deal/cheating was AGAINST Grym's orders, so if she did those things under A's orders, while disobeying Grym, then A cannot be Grym. Furthermore, her loyalty to A is actually no secret, as A brags to V about Pat's loyalty to her, and that Pat is "under control".

As for Pat listening to V, she's already doing that: she reports to V (while laying prostrate under V's heels) in Ep. 3, right in front of A, immediately before A confesses that Pat is under control, and following the airplane scene. Like all staff at KG, Pat has multiple (and often conflicting) loyalties: E, A, V, Kiyomi, and Grym. E rescued/raised her, A has "whipped" her, V was her boss in the prisons, and now again at the Joy Facility, with Kiyomi as her supervisor, so Grym is either just an additional loyalty on the pile, or one that's already there (A OR V).

I,m not convinced
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Does she call her grymm or is that an assumption cuz of the mask thing?
Masked lady in the temple and Masked lady near the boat are different ..
Masked lady in the temple is Grym Gudinna !
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Kagarus

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The definition of evil is subjective though. For some, the sex scene with Phoebe is evil, while others have no problem with it. Same goes for torture/murder scenes. It can even feel right, not evil, if we think the victim deserved such harsh treatment. So such polls are very inaccurate by their nature, unless specific examples of what Tess considers 'evil' are presented clearly.
You mean like by specifying that the evil extreme path she's talking about is the demon+demoness path?

(Also an interesting example to bring up for subjective perception of evil as a communication issue, considering the option to initiate that particular scene is literally "(I think I can fuck her in front of her sick husband. I know it might be a bit cruel...but it might help me too to show how far I can go for clients. *warning evil evil evil be careful...*)", so it's pretty clearly communicated whether the author considers it evil or not. )
 
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Maviarab

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NO SPOILERS (Ep. 1-7 info only): Why Alessandra CANNOT be Grym
Ep. 2 opens with Grym ordering Patricia to oversee K's training, but to "do things by the book," but Pat disobeys this order by first offering K the option to cheat (deal), and later following through by eliminating/mitigating the punishment, and offering sex. In Ep. 7, Pat says that she did everything A told her to do with K in the prison, but the deal/cheating was AGAINST Grym's orders, so if she did those things under A's orders, while disobeying Grym, then A cannot be Grym. Furthermore, her loyalty to A is actually no secret, as A brags to V about Pat's loyalty to her, and that Pat is "under control".
I think you're missing something here, sorry. Pat can tell GG that she did everything she as asked...and still look out for her own interests and leave information out, which is why she makes a deal with Kane in the first place (or offers). We can also be pretty certain (though no idea why she went as well) that Alessa was with Pat when they stitched Rod up.
As for Pat listening to V, she's already doing that: she reports to V (while laying prostrate under V's heels) in Ep. 3, right in front of A, immediately before A confesses that Pat is under control, and following the airplane scene. Like all staff at KG, Pat has multiple (and often conflicting) loyalties: E, A, V, Kiyomi, and Grym. E rescued/raised her, A has "whipped" her, V was her boss in the prisons, and now again at the Joy Facility, with Kiyomi as her supervisor, so Grym is either just an additional loyalty on the pile, or one that's already there (A OR V).
Pat is just submitting to a higher authority...Alessa's sister...and a board member. Pat may not be the sharpest tool..but she is no fool. Even if she is completely loyal to Alessa, she will also do whatever the hell Veronica tells her to, especially if that's in front of Alessa as it's a joint order. Just because she is indirectly her head boss (head of prisons) doesn't mean her loyalty actually lies there. Elena also never rescued Pat. I doi sometimes wonder wtf you are on about and what's floating around in yoru head, because we're playing 2 different VN's.

I think you're reading way too much into that.

As for tips...you do remember there are 2 different mask/women...red tips and white tips. 2 very different people.

As for Alexander, he did not need to be on the board. Also, if he was the seventh, everyone knows (like, literally the entire world) Alexander is dead. So why say that member is away on a special assignment? Alexander was above the board...not on it. Also, if was a board member, he dead...so there would be no reason for Elena to resign from the board for Olivia to join. As for the rest...I'm not really sure where you're getting some of your thoughts. Again, Olivia knows everything...especially that she is a Karlsson before getting to the Joy Facility. Remember, ultimate best actor in the world. Trained and educated by the most brilliant women in the world (who knows all about Alexander's Gambit) and possibly even Alexander too.

Olivia is lying to everyone, bare faced, with consumate ease. She also knows she is being watched, recorded and rooms are bugged. Anything she says to or about Callista is a ruse. I'm also not entirely sure what your deffinition of 'poured over' is, as at the Zoo entry scene, Veronica stops N.O.A.H from saying her last name and Olivia litterally thinks to herself "Does she think I don't know I'm a Karlsson or does she not want Kane to know he's not my brother?" I don't know man, maybe we're reading different scripts ;)

As a last thing, please start using people's names or at least an abbreviation. You might not want to type them out but it's godamn annoyingly infuritating keeping up with your posts using O, E, A etc etc.

You mean like by specifying that the evil extreme path she's talking about is the demon+demoness path?

(Also an interesting example to bring up for subjective perception of evil as a communication issue, considering the option to initiate that particular scene is literally "(I think I can fuck her in front of her sick husband. I know it might be a bit cruel...but it might help me too to show how far I can go for clients. *warning evil evil evil be careful...*)", so it's pretty clearly communicated whether the author considers it evil or not. )
Evil..not extreme kill people for the shits and giggles of it very painfully and slowly. There's a huge difference between morally evil content (Phoebe's scene)...and demon/demoness/demondompath content...a HUGE difference.
 
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Kagarus

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Evil..not extreme kill people for the shits and giggles of it very painfully and slowly. There's a huge difference between morally evil content (Phoebe's scene)...and demon/demoness/demondompath content...a HUGE difference.
Uh yeah? It was just an aside that using that scene as an example is amusing because the author's view was explicitly signposted :ROFLMAO:
 

Maviarab

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Uh yeah? It was just an aside that using that scene as an example is amusing because the author's view was explicitly signposted :ROFLMAO:
Yeah I never understood why Tess put that there...the content itself is reletively tame really isn't it....the context however...poor Harry lol...

Still...be cucked and eat your wifes lovers cum...or suffocate in a glass crypt? Tough choices :p
 

YuNobi1

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As for tips...you do remember there are 2 different mask/women...red tips and white tips. 2 very different people.
Seriously, where do people keep getting this from? Tess loves making frequent costume and jewelry changes, oftentimes with characters changing multiple times in a single day, so why wouldn't Grym have two of the same mask just different colors and slightly different ninja costumes? After all: Callista wears a pink mask with a white ensemble in Ep. 5, and a red mask with a black cloak and dark outfit in Eps. 6-8.
 

ddaisy

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Without going into spoilery details, is survivalist sub strategy viable? I mean acting submissive not because you're weak like Zach but because you think it will benefit you in the long run?

Asking because whenever I come back to this game once in a while my playthrough tends to be determined by my Kane's initial ranking. If I get K5 I will continue rising up in the ranks even without acting particularly dominant, but if I get K4 I tend to stay close to that rank unless I intentionally mess up to get lower.

So, my question is, can you rise up as a K4 sub, or do you need to fight a little bit with Chanels and Delilahs to earn a promotion?
 

Maviarab

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Seriously, where do people keep getting this from? Tess loves making frequent costume and jewelry changes, oftentimes with characters changing multiple times in a single day, so why wouldn't Grym have two of the same mask just different colors and slightly different ninja costumes? After all: Callista wears a pink mask with a white ensemble in Ep. 5, and a red mask with a black cloak and dark outfit in Eps. 6-8.
Everything Tess shows is by design. For me (and the fact nothing you have said so far actually 'proves' anything...just more supposition or we wouldn't be having this conversation right now)...the conversations, way they speak are two different people. To me. Also, masks to hide an identity are not the same as a change of clothes. as for the Queen..well, she the queen...not just someone reporting in.

I can see no logical reason why the same person would switch and change masks. Makes no sense. it does however make sense for the GQ to have them similar (in case ever spotted leaving the facility) but slightly different so Callista knows who is approaching (assuming it's not a pre-arranged 'appointment' and also assuming the two don't disclose to each other they are meeting Callista and swap, but why would they disclose that info to each other) but even in that unlikely eventuality, Callista would know from the way the walk (remember Kiyomi makes mention of this to Otto), the way they talk and if nothing else, their voice alone.

If Veronica is both, why was Kiyomi not at the temple meeting? Why would Veronica give Kane the encrypted bracelet? I have my assumptions why Alessa might, but Veronica? So you see, saying she is both just throws up more inconsistencies that can't really be logically accounted for (in my mind).

Without going into spoilery details, is survivalist sub strategy viable? I mean acting submissive not because you're weak like Zach but because you think it will benefit you in the long run?

Asking because whenever I come back to this game once in a while my playthrough tends to be determined by my Kane's initial ranking. If I get K5 I will continue rising up in the ranks even without acting particularly dominant, but if I get K4 I tend to stay close to that rank unless I intentionally mess up to get lower.

So, my question is, can you rise up as a K4 sub, or do you need to fight a little bit with Chanels and Delilahs to earn a promotion?
There is a very specific way to get to SubK6/7 I believe. Never done it msyelf...it's complicated as hell though. Start at K4, make sure you stay at K4, NEVER drop down....and follow the pdf walkthrough very...very carefully.
 
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