VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2 Test] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

The second screenshot feels like a red herring. I don't see either of them being killed at this point, and certainly not by daddy Cole.

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[Silver_Crow117]

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It does seem like Cole knows about Dominque lying to him… I feel like he’ll eventually go to the joy facility himself, but possibly not at that moment of contention with Kiyomi and Otto… I did ask about the DeKocks and she said they weren’t a faction by themselves but they are joined with another faction…

 

[Igetby]

I'm a Dom player (I don't play sub routes, but I have watched some important sub scenes through Sancho's gallery). I don't go to Discord that often, because when I get there (on Tess's server), I get the impression that I'm in the company of unhealthily obsessed with femdom, who don't recognize other opinions and endlessly discuss only and exclusively the femdom component of our game. And the only healthy person there is Tess herself.

That's why I go to Discord mostly only to chat with her myself, and sometimes to leave feedback about the game and my wishes and suggestions for the development of the game, characters and relations between them. So f95 is much more convenient and comfortable for me in terms of atmosphere, not to mention that the huge opportunities that f95 provides to players, no discord can provide.

Glad to know I was not the only one to feel this way.

 

[Igetby]

So… what do you guys think will happen if you hit the KiyomiDoor flag or not?

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lSeems like Otto might… not make it if you don’t hit it

I do not know but the more times I play through the game the higher she moves up my list of favorite characters.

 

[PickerLewd]

I do not know but the more times I play through the game the higher she moves up my list of favorite characters.

Forget it, she's practically Seth's girlfriend, at this rate she'll get married to him soon .

 

[Stan5851]

It does seem like Cole knows about Dominque lying to him… I feel like he’ll eventually go to the joy facility himself, but possibly not at that moment of contention with Kiyomi and Otto… I did ask about the DeKocks and she said they weren’t a faction by themselves but they are joined with another faction…
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Silver, please remind me exactly what Dominique's lie was in their conversation with Cole. I can't find that moment in my saves.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Silver, please remind me exactly what Dominique's lie was in their conversation with Cole. I can't find that moment in my saves.

I’ll try and post it when I can but it was when we first saw Dominique talking to Cole for the first time (when she was using that slave as a footrest right after having the option to kill that slave or not in a scene before)

 

[Stan5851]

I’ll try and post it when I can but it was when we first saw Dominique talking to Cole for the first time (when she was using that slave as a footrest right after having the option to kill that slave or not in a scene before)

I remember that scene. AFAIR, they mostly talked about science and research.. I'll have to look again, I probably have those saves somewhere.

Edit: Looks like Juliette's ass has a worthy competitor.

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Still, guys, we're not going anywhere from the masculinity crisis, I was looking for another conservation/save but found this. All those hot girls have my Kane's ears all buzzed up (and I can't blame them, haha)..... Yeah, I remember Miss Tess saying that some low ranking subordinates might just fake repeating some talking points so as not to piss off their Bosses who are more honest and have their own opinions.... but here we have the elite.

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Okay, I still haven't found the save with Cole and Dominique in it.... so the search continues. And in the meantime, I need to play all those saves that have been waiting for a long time.

 

[Maviarab]

Silver, please remind me exactly what Dominique's lie was in their conversation with Cole. I can't find that moment in my saves.

I’ll try and post it when I can but it was when we first saw Dominique talking to Cole for the first time (when she was using that slave as a footrest right after having the option to kill that slave or not in a scene before)

I remember that scene. AFAIR, they mostly talked about science and research.. I'll have to look again, I probably have those saves somewhere.

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[Stan5851]

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Mav, thanks!..coz as you can see, I've already switched to contemplation of Veronica's juicy ass and other equally curious places... I wonder what Silver considers a lie in this dialog..Probably the fact that Dominique didn't tell Cole the whole truth about Callista (that she's actually alive) and Cole already knew it, assuming it was Callista who texted him on the terminal (earlier) and sent him a picture of Kane..But whether Dominique actually knows Callista is alive is an open question. So maybe there was no lie on her part.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

It's very sad that you still haven't learned how to use notifications (a regular forum feature) and in order to see my post in response to your post, you need me to quote your (@) nickname separately. Quoting your nickname is purely optional, it's enough that I quoted your post.

As for Callista, it's not that simple.

Neither you nor I fully know all the reasons why she had to do exactly that, without letting Kane know everything he could expect in JoyFacility. I'm sure her full motives and why she withheld certain things from Kane will be explained at the next time the son and mother meet. But for now what we do know is that she simply had no choice but to risk everything, yet that hasn't stopped you from accusing her of all the deadly sins. Callista also hid some key things from Olivia (like who her mother really is) and there was a reason for that too - the harsh conditions of the Gambit.

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I hope you also haven't forgotten that Callista is the GambitQueen, not just a mother who can do as she pleases. It's a long game of chess that can only be won by acting according to the Rules, and that's the only way Kane, Seth and Olivia have a chance to win. Thus, Callista watches over her children, but does so carefully in order to honor the terms of the Gambit and not deny them a chance to win.

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And this “harshly and fairly” is the only chance for victory in Gambit, there will be no other. Callista uses all the tools at her disposal to lead her children to victory, (provided, of course, that they show at least a minimum of responsibility and sanity, show willpower and don't grovel before sadistic bitches).

But she can't tell them everything, and she can't kick down the door to the Board and declare that Kane and Seth are in charge now...That's why Callista is forced to act with other people's hands and influence events in JoyFacility, remaining (until recently) hidden from everyone, except for “ninjas” Veronica and Alessandra(?).

You are an intelligent person and should realize that our Karlson's Gambit is a very deep game with a lot of secrets, multi-way plans and understatements, many of which we still don't know. And looking at it all through the prism of “my ‘evil’ mom didn't tell me everything and left me alone with the evil sadistic bitches” is too superficial, and you'll see that very soon. Just give Tess some time.

I was talking about the first comment that was made.

As for Callista, she literally couldve used the dekocks to protect Kane, but she didn't, she chose to sacrifice Kane to the alter of Alexander.

Honestly we've all been mistaken as to what would land Kane in K4 and affect his future in the game. We've been arguing dominant, submissive. However, none of that mattered, all thats about is Kane's sexual kinks. What lands Kane in 4 is whether or not he's willing to bully Zach which considering that he just went to jail for protecting his brother from a bully would make Kane a bit of a hypocrite.
So if we're going canon, Kanes already set up to be k4 before he even leaves the prison. So if Callista put him in the game knowing the rules and knowing how kane will react given his relationship with Zach, she absolutely set him up for failure and if she didnt know the rules, shes an idiot for putting her son in such a dangerous game with unknown variables.

 

[Stan5851]

I was talking about the first comment that was made.

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As for Callista, she literally couldve used the dekocks to protect Kane, but she didn't, she chose to sacrifice Kane to the alter of Alexander.

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Honestly we've all been mistaken as to what would land Kane in K4 and affect his future in the game. We've been arguing dominant, submissive. However, none of that mattered, all thats about is Kane's sexual kinks. What lands Kane in 4 is whether or not he's willing to bully Zach which considering that he just went to jail for protecting his brother from a bully would make Kane a bit of a hypocrite.

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So if we're going canon, Kanes already set up to be k4 before he even leaves the prison.

I'm not quite sure why you consider K4 canon and not, for example, K6? Just because someone decided to cave in to the sadistas and be more submissive? But we have a choice in what we do and we don't have to bend at all.

So if Callista put him in the game knowing the rules and knowing how kane will react given his relationship with Zach, she absolutely set him up for failure and if she didnt know the rules, shes an idiot for putting her son in such a dangerous game with unknown variables.

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[Maviarab]

Probably the fact that Dominique didn't tell Cole the whole truth about Callista (that she's actually alive) and Cole already knew it, assuming it was Callista who texted him on the terminal (earlier) and sent him a picture of Kane

I believe it was Cnythia or Nadia who contacted Cole, not Callista. Remember the line, we've found him...

What lands Kane in 4 is whether or not he's willing to bully Zach which considering that he just went to jail for protecting his brother from a bully would make Kane a bit of a hypocrite.

Can avoid K4 without bullying Zach...the two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Mav, thanks!..coz as you can see, I've already switched to contemplation of Veronica's juicy ass and other equally curious places... I wonder what Silver considers a lie in this dialog..Probably the fact that Dominique didn't tell Cole the whole truth about Callista (that she's actually alive) and Cole already knew it, assuming it was Callista who texted him on the terminal (earlier) and sent him a picture of Kane..But whether Dominique actually knows Callista is alive is an open question. So maybe there was no lie on her part.

Tbh I’ve been procrastinating this hahaha but yeah it’s Dominique lying to Cole about the knowledge of Kane status… and Since Cole found out by a message of I’m thinking Nadia since it involves using tech secretly, he pushed back the timeline of the project which he never does… do you wanna know why he pushed it back? It’s so that he can get rescued by Otto and the DeKocks! The thing is, it doesn’t seem like Dominique knows of it… neither does Veronica…. Clearly Cole thought Kane was dead and found out Kane survived.. and in fact, held captive by the Karlssons… Clearly Cole wants to see his son… but how that happens, we’re not sure yet…

we do know that Cole has those Yellow flowers that were sent to him… who sent those flowers? Clearly it’s a reminder of their past and she found him… someone other than Dominique knows he’s there…

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[MilesEdgeworth]

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I'm not quite sure why you consider K4 canon and not, for example, K6? Just because someone decided to cave in to the sadistas and be more submissive? But we have a choice in what we do and we don't have to bend at all.

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Callista had access to the Dekocks, a Veronica who would've done anything for her, and plenty of time to devise a plan to avoid this game. She just took the easiest path. She's the smartest woman in this universe, so I have a hard time believing she couldn't devise any plan other than giving Alexander precisely what he wanted.

Im a dom player, so I go against Kane's natural instincts. Allow me to clear up my typo; I meant to write his relationship with Seth, not Zach. By that, I mean she didn't raise him to be ruthless. She didn't raise him to let someone like Zach be bullied, and if Kane doesn't do that, he's doomed to K4. Zach and Seth are a lot alike in that they are both weak. Sure he can be raised through the ranks later, but that's still a tremendous disadvantage to start off with.

Can avoid K4 without bullying Zach...the two are not mutually exclusive.

True, but you can't avoid K4 without trying to help or ignoring what happens to Zach. Both of which would be counter to how Kane was raised.

 

[Maviarab]

and if Kane doesn't do that, he's doomed to K4

True, but you can't avoid K4 without trying to help or ignoring what happens to Zach.

If [Slave] >=3, then [K4]

Yes you can. Again, they are not mutually exclusive.

There is one choice (to help build him up) in Ep2. This gives +1 Slave (before this choice you can get to -1 Slave btw). So we are at 0. No questions for Pat gives -1 Slave, so we are back to -1. Not signalling Pat (if took her deal) does nothing. Next is the ball test. Top answer does nothing, second answer awards +1 slave. So again, still at -1.

End up -1 Slave, you have helped and been good to Zach, you have not not screwed him over with Pat and you finish at K6 (other early choices dependant).

 

[Igetby]

You guys always post these good thorough comments on the story that make me do a replay and then I just get distracted by Juliette and Olivia's perfect butts, again.

 

[Stan5851]

Callista had access to the Dekocks, a Veronica who would've done anything for her, and plenty of time to devise a plan to avoid this game. She just took the easiest path. She's the smartest woman in this universe, so I have a hard time believing she couldn't devise any plan other than giving Alexander precisely what he wanted.

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Im a dom player, so I go against Kane's natural instincts. Allow me to clear up my typo; I meant to write his relationship with Seth, not Zach. By that, I mean she didn't raise him to be ruthless.

Callista couldn't have raised him like that because she herself was never ruthless...I don't think you can instill a quality (like ruthlessness) in a person without possessing it yourself... Even Olivia, who was better trained, is not ruthless at all, unless of course the player wants to change her character in the course of the game..

She didn't raise him to let someone like Zach be bullied, and if Kane doesn't do that, he's doomed to K4.

No, Kane is not doomed to be K4, Maviarab cited data that disproves that...BTW, this is roughly how I went about my pure GoodDom save (with minimum of evil points).

Zach and Seth are a lot alike in that they are both weak. Sure he can be raised through the ranks later, but that's still a tremendous disadvantage to start off with..

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[PickerLewd]

This rear part of the body, also known as the buttocks-bootie-derriere-rump-cheeks-hams-caboose shown in the main banner belongs to Dominique? I can't remember .

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[Maviarab]

That's Alessa's bikini bottom