VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2 Test] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Sharpshooter890]

If you mean how Callista can move freely between closed rooms (like Veronica's closed labs, including her secret place where she took Kane)... then I guess it's pretty simple... Kiyomi after her dialogue with Otto (DeKocks arrival scene) could have informed Veronica of her arrival at JoyFacility, at which point Veronica gave Callista free passage to wherever she needed to go. Vi could have simply given a direct order to her AI, and it opened all the doors in front of Callista. Anyway, there could be several possibilities here.

Huh? I swear, it's not my quote, the site must be broken or something. As for Callista wandering around JF, I think Nadia probably had something to do with it, she's allegedly the greatest hacker ever.

 

[Maviarab]

As for Callista's movements around the island...If Callista has a yacht that she can use to get around, why shouldn't she have a light-engine aeroplane like Elena?

Well...fair yes lol...however, given she is supposedly trying to keep a low profile, not draw attention to herself, and doesn't want people to know she alive...

Either of those would be a little difficult to go unnoticed by...but as I said, plot reasons and Callista powers...cuz she Callista hehe. Which I'm fine with, it's just something that's always struck me as funny. The ole girl sure does get herself about lol.

 

[Stan5851]

Huh? I swear, it's not my quote, the site must be broken or something. As for Callista wandering around JF, I think Nadia probably had something to do with it, she's allegedly the greatest hacker ever.

Yeah, looks like the site crashed, couldn't handle our heated discussion, haha... you're right, I was replying to this Maviarab post here

It does however beg the question, how the hell does she keep slipping in and out of the facility and more importantly get somewhere that Elena had to use a damn plane to get to. I guess we'll just leave that to callista plot powers and reasons

 

[Maviarab]

Yeah, looks like the site crashed, couldn't handle our heated discussion, haha... you're right, I was replying to this @Maviarab post here

We broke F95

 

[Sharpshooter890]

Where as least three us (two being non-native English speakers I'll add) understood perfectly the meaning of the sentence, it's grammatical context and that Kiyomi was in fact not referring directly to Otto himself when she said "you made a mistake"...

One last thing I'll add on this particular issue to put it to rest. Otto is probably the 'head of security' for DeKocks, so it's his responsibility to conceal Callista at the JF until the time is right (even if he didn't come up with an idea of the red mask himself). So Kiyomi pointing that 'you made a mistake' can be applicable to both Otto's and DeKocks (as a whole) failure to do just that. Maskirovka has failed.

 

[Maviarab]

Does anyone know the source of the song FarewellAlexander.mp3? It is one of the songs of the Alexander's temple scene (season 1), and it's amazingly beautiful. Who did it?

Apologies Sevy...just remembered you asked this.

I'm afraid I don't know the source no, so no help I'm afraid but didn't want you to think you had been forgotten or ignored. Hopefully someone around may, you could always try asking in the Discord for the VN though, there's no requirements to join.

One last thing I'll add on this particular issue to put it to rest. Otto is probably the 'head of security' for DeKocks, so it's his responsibility to conceal Callista at the JF until the time is right (even if he didn't come up with an idea of the red mask himself). So Kiyomi pointing that 'you made a mistake' can be applicable to both Otto's and DeKocks (as a whole) failure to do just that. Maskirovka has failed.

 

[Stan5851]

Huh? I swear, it's not my quote, the site must be broken or something. As for Callista wandering around JF, I think Nadia probably had something to do with it, she's allegedly the greatest hacker ever.

Frankly, I doubt the Karlssons control all the airspace on the island(s) where all the JF facilities are located, hehe.. By the way, we still don't know if any means of communication (like smartphones or satellite phones) have survived..So it may well be that this segment of technology has already been lost after the Great Collapse and only computer networks and artificial intelligences like N.O.A.H are left, controlling various technological processes and access to all JF facilities.

So if we consider your Nadia scenario, I'm more likely to believe that this hacker story could only work within the JF when Callista needed to get into Veronica's closed labs... But it might not have been Nadia, since as far as I understand it, N.O.A.H still hasn't been hacked, and she only managed to penetrate some segments of the less secure systems.

As for her genius as a hacker...well, personally, I wouldn't call someone who hacked the control system of one of the labs so crookedly that a poisonous gas leak nearly killed Nurse Maria a genius. I'd call her a talented self-taught hacker, but nothing more. Real professionals don't leave traces, and Veronica was able to easily figure out Nadia and all her penetrations into her systems, and then told her off like a child..

 

[Maviarab]

Frankly, I doubt the Karlssons control all the airspace on the island where all the JF facilities are located, hehe.. By the way, we still don't know if any means of communication (like smartphones or satellite phones) have survived..So it may well be that this segment of technology has already been lost after the Great Collapse and only computer networks and artificial intelligences like N.O.A.H are left, controlling various technological processes and access to all JF facilities.

Yeah..distinct lack of a lot of technology...given the technology Veronica has built...I mean we obviously still have wifi as how else did the remote vibrating dildo's work on the girls in the mine? So why no phones anymore?

I'd call her a talented self-taught hacker, but nothing more,

and then told her off like a child..

 

[YuNobi1]

someone is using Mission Impossible level technology to disguise himself...

And I'm supposed to be the one who's jumping to fantastical conclusions and making up stuff? I never said that.

How many KG people have seen Otto face-to-face before Ep. 6 and lived to tell about it? Kiyomi for sure, but perhaps another (per her statement). The rest of KG has only heard of him, but by the time anyone respond to his securitybreaches, he's already gone, that's why he's so successful, and why Elena's impressed to finally meet him. It's just like with Superman, maybe 3 people have actually been close enough to both his and Clark Kent's face to even have a hope of identifying them as the same person. As long as somebody has the general disguise to pass scrutiny from somebody who has neither met nor seen Otto, they will never know it's not him visually. However, visual disguise isn't enough, voice, behavior, knowledge, and as Kiyomi pointed out: movement (which is definitely recorded on Veronica's surveillance) can blow one's cover. We see Otto's infiltration suit on the Cole Rescue, which further supports the "no one at KG has seen his face" so improper movements that don't match those recordings would be a dead giveaway.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

And I'm supposed to be the one who's jumping to fantastical conclusions and making up stuff? I never said that.

How many KG people have seen Otto face-to-face before Ep. 6 and lived to tell about it? Kiyomi for sure, but perhaps another (per her statement). The rest of KG has only heard of him, but by the time anyone respond to his securitybreaches, he's already gone, that's why he's so successful, and why Elena's impressed to finally meet him. It's just like with Superman, maybe 3 people have actually been close enough to both his and Clark Kent's face to even have a hope of identifying them as the same person. As long as somebody has the general disguise to pass scrutiny from somebody who has neither met nor seen Otto, they will never know it's not him visually. However, visual disguise isn't enough, voice, behavior, knowledge, and as Kiyomi pointed out: movement (which is definitely recorded on Veronica's surveillance) can blow one's cover. We see Otto's infiltration suit on the Cole Rescue, which further supports the "no one at KG has seen his face" so improper movements that don't match those recordings would be a dead giveaway.

If according to you nobody's seen Otto face to face prior to episode 6 then why would Kiyomi point out mistakes he's made? Shouldnt matter what he does if nobody knows who he is.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Callista's not really wondering around, she's literally going to blind spots and operating from the shadows hence the cave bridge and Veronica's labs, places people don't pay attention to.

As for her genius as a hacker...well, personally, I wouldn't call someone who hacked the control system of one of the labs so crookedly that a poisonous gas leak nearly killed Nurse Maria a genius. I'd call her a talented self-taught hacker, but nothing more. Real professionals don't leave traces, and Veronica was able to easily figure out Nadia and all her penetrations into her systems, and then told her off like a child..

Not really. She was hacking blindly and got into the wrong system, happens to the best hackers. Nadia clearly found out something that Ronny doesn't want to get out, otherwise she wouldn't have been granted a meeting with Kane.

 

[YuNobi1]

If according to you nobody's seen Otto face to face prior to episode 6 then why would Kiyomi point out mistakes he's made? Shouldnt matter what he does if nobody knows who he is.

I just explained that his body movements are on KG records, now only Kiyomi, and probably Veronica, would notice the subtle discrepancies... which is exactly what Kiyomi says.

Not really. She was hacking blindly and got into the wrong system, happens to the best hackers. Nadia clearly found out something that Ronny doesn't want to get out, otherwise she wouldn't have been granted a meeting with Kane.

Cynthia did have her and Delilah trying to find out about "ST"/Island 4, more accurately Nadia stumbled onto Cole's prison, whether Cynthia suspected that Cole was at Island 4 or not is uncertain, and moot at this point.


Okay IF your guys' interpretation that Kiyomi is talking about Red Mask is correct then here are some facts that have to be true:
1) With the mask, hood, cloak, and Callista keeping her arms to her side, not only are her physical features hidden, but so are her movements. Therefore the only movement Kiyomi could have observed is Callista's walk.
2) Kiyomi was able to identify Red Mask by this walk along, therefore she has either previously met Red Mask/Callista or has studied her in detail.
3) Callista did not walk to the cove to meet Veronica, nor walk out of it, she rode on a boat, and committed minimal movements, barely moving her hands (she repeats this minimalist movement with only a single hand raise in her second Veronica meeting). Therefore, Kiyomi could not have observed her walk at this location, and thus had to have seen Callista walk at a different/earlier time.
4) Kiyomi is aware of what "it" is when Otto asks her "is it over before it even begins..."

This just gives even more evidence that Kiyomi is working with/for Callista, knowing who she is, knowing that she's hiding, knowing what her and DS's mission/plan/objective is, and assisting them in that endeavor (volunteers information about the siblings).

Regardless, this is a very unnatural way to communicate in the English language, and Kiyomi has no reason not to be direct as she wants Otto to understand her clear meaning. Likewise, Tess has no reason to be obscure here either, she baited fans to question who the masked servants are the moment she made masked servants, so it's not like we wouldn't already be trying to figure out who they are. Here is natural delivery would have went down:
K: "...but I'm a little disappointed in [Callista or your colleague/associate/teammate]" This directly identifies the wrongdoer, and not erroneously accuse Otto or the entire group when they are not at fault. As long as Kiyomi doesn't say Callista's name, and in a natural way, Callista's confirmation remains shrouded.
K: "No one else will likely notice it, but I did. She made a mistake." Again, Otto is not falsely incriminated in the mistake, the failure is correctly attributed to the culprit. Since Otto's party has 5 females and 2 males, saying "she" still allows Kiyomi/Tess to remain aloof to the player, while remaining exact to Otto (who clearly understands who Kiyomi is talking about). Both of the masked servants are clearly female, so all that this may confirm is that Kiyomi is talking about one of them, which Sharpshooter claims to have suspected from the beginning, so again, Kiyomi/Tess doesn't reveal anything extra.
K: "Yes. It's not enough to hide one's appearance." This and the following line about movements can stay, as it still doesn't narrow down from the 5 females. Yes, the two masked servants are the greatest culprits, but Kiyomi's words also apply to any imposter or spy-masquerading-as-a-slave. This is exactly the type of thing that happens in corporate espionage stories, which is what this game is, and what most of the characters are doing, both within and without KG.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

As for her genius as a hacker...well, personally, I wouldn't call someone who hacked the control system of one of the labs so crookedly that a poisonous gas leak nearly killed Nurse Maria a genius. I'd call her a talented self-taught hacker, but nothing more.

I would agree, but the characters in the game say as much. I think it's in the Junko/Otto scene in the refrigirator (extract 2nd best hacker in the world, meaning Nadia is the best), or maybe Veronica mentioned it. I don't remember, but I'm certain I read it somewhere.

 

[Maviarab]

Ronny

...I love how we keep coming up with new names for folk.

more accurately Nadia stumbled onto Cole's prison

No, she didn't. She was actively searching. Stumbled upon Island 4, yes.

Regardless, this is a very unnatural way to communicate in the English language

Look. I actually am English (not American)...no, it isn't. Tess' grammar makes perfect contextual sense for the meaning.

Callista's not really wondering around, she's literally going to blind spots and operating from the shadows hence the cave bridge and Veronica's labs, places people don't pay attention to.

She still has to actually get out of the facility and get to these places though. Remember, we know there are cameras everywhere. As you mentioned earlier (I think was yourself), maybe Nadia or even Veronica are helping to facilitate this.

 

[Stan5851]

I just explained that his body movements are on KG records, now only Kiyomi, and probably Veronica, would notice the subtle discrepancies... which is exactly what Kiyomi says.


Cynthia did have her and Delilah trying to find out about "ST"/Island 4, more accurately Nadia stumbled onto Cole's prison, whether Cynthia suspected that Cole was at Island 4 or not is uncertain, and moot at this point.


Okay IF your guys' interpretation that Kiyomi is talking about Red Mask is correct then here are some facts that have to be true:
1) With the mask, hood, cloak, and Callista keeping her arms to her side, not only are her physical features hidden, but so are her movements. Therefore the only movement Kiyomi could have observed is Callista's walk.
2) Kiyomi was able to identify Red Mask by this walk along, therefore she has either previously met Red Mask/Callista or has studied her in detail.
3) Callista did not walk to the cove to meet Veronica, nor walk out of it, she rode on a boat, and committed minimal movements, barely moving her hands (she repeats this minimalist movement with only a single hand raise in her second Veronica meeting). Therefore, Kiyomi could not have observed her walk at this location, and thus had to have seen Callista walk at a different/earlier time.
4) Kiyomi is aware of what "it" is when Otto asks her "is it over before it even begins..."

This just gives even more evidence that Kiyomi is working with/for Callista, knowing who she is, knowing that she's hiding, knowing what her and DS's mission/plan/objective is, and assisting them in that endeavor (volunteers information about the siblings).

Regardless, this is a very unnatural way to communicate in the English language, and Kiyomi has no reason not to be direct as she wants Otto to understand her clear meaning. Likewise, Tess has no reason to be obscure here either, she baited fans to question who the masked servants are the moment she made masked servants, so it's not like we wouldn't already be trying to figure out who they are. Here is natural delivery would have went down:
K: "...but I'm a little disappointed in [Callista or your colleague/associate/teammate]" This directly identifies the wrongdoer, and not erroneously accuse Otto or the entire group when they are not at fault. As long as Kiyomi doesn't say Callista's name, and in a natural way, Callista's confirmation remains shrouded.
K: "No one else will likely notice it, but I did. She made a mistake." Again, Otto is not falsely incriminated in the mistake, the failure is correctly attributed to the culprit. Since Otto's party has 5 females and 2 males, saying "she" still allows Kiyomi/Tess to remain aloof to the player, while remaining exact to Otto (who clearly understands who Kiyomi is talking about). Both of the masked servants are clearly female, so all that this may confirm is that Kiyomi is talking about one of them, which Sharpshooter claims to have suspected from the beginning, so again, Kiyomi/Tess doesn't reveal anything extra.
K: "Yes. It's not enough to hide one's appearance." This and the following line about movements can stay, as it still doesn't narrow down from the 5 females. Yes, the two masked servants are the greatest culprits, but Kiyomi's words also apply to any imposter or spy-masquerading-as-a-slave. This is exactly the type of thing that happens in corporate espionage stories, which is what this game is, and what most of the characters are doing, both within and without KG.

Mate, you've already been proven wrong. Moreover, you know it yourself, but your stubbornness prevents you from recognizing the obvious. You're willing to create a bunch of ridiculous fantasies in your head, draw non-existent connections and relationships, invent non-existent details, and then dump it all on us just so you don't have to admit you were wrong.

But such demagoguery is an absolutely losing strategy for discussion, and it only leads to the fact that interlocutors will trust your reasoning less and less after each of your posts. I don't know about others, but personally, I am one small step away from stopping seeing your posts in this thread.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

Who do you think she's looking at? I'll give you a hint. That's the moment she realised who the red mask is.

There, I rest my case. Let's move on to something actually substantial, like who gives the best blowjob out of all the girls? My money is on Alessa, her eyes expression really does it for me.

 

[Maviarab]

Who do you think she's looking at? I'll give you a hint. That's the moment she realised who the red mask is.
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There, I rest my case. Let's move on to something actually substantial, like who gives the best blowjob out of all the girls? My money is on Alessa, her eyes expression really does it for me.

1. So do we have any current (fantastically wild or otherwise) theories on who the second masked servant is???
2. Amy of course...fool...she already proven it!

3. But no, seriously, Jules

So I think Kiyomi will be with her till the end no matter what happens and will die for her if need be.

Which would also tie in with her romance being on the specific world state B

 

[jaxofalltrades]

1. So do we have any current (fantastically wild or otherwise) theories on who the second masked servant is???
2. Amy of course...fool...she already proven it!

3. But no, seriously, Jules

I'd go with one of Alexander's sisters or Ying Yue but it was probably Delilah...
NO wait...what was Olivia's acting/music teacher's name again? It was definitely her!

 

[Maviarab]

I'd go with one of Alexander's sisters or Ying Yue but it was probably Delilah...
NO wait...what was Olivia's acting/music teacher's name again? It was definitely her!

Well...

1. Delilah already at the facility....so....Ying Yue..now, wouldn't that be interesting, especially if she is Kiyomi and Kitty's mother...remember Veronica's comment to Astrid. Their mom was no random....she was important/special herself imo.

2. Son, I iz dizzapoint! You know there is a full character list available right? You should know this shizz! Mrs. Powell! Could be...could be...could also be Hong Kong Phooey at this point in time...but keep an open mind I guess....

Hmmm....

Misssess Powellll...the number one super spy
Misssess Powellll..... quicker than the human eye
Oh, she's got style, a groovy smile, a bod that just won't stop ...

 

[Stan5851]

Who do you think she's looking at? I'll give you a hint. That's the moment she realised who the red mask is.
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There, I rest my case. Let's move on to something actually substantial, like who gives the best blowjob out of all the girls? My money is on Alessa, her eyes expression really does it for me.

Bravo, Sherlock! Case is solved. As for the blowjob, I totally agree - the look in Alessa's bottomless elf eyes is simply mesmerizing. For me, it's the best blowjob in the game.

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