VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2 Test] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Maviarab]

Honestly, Katsumi and Veronica looked the same to me as they do presently so I couldn't say how long ago the flashback was. I'll have to replay but agree Astrid could very well not be the 7th member. I mainly just wanted to point out the board seems to know she's alive somewhere so she can't be ruled out completely yet.

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Some of the board do...however, what points to her being the 7th for my mind is, contrary to Yu's comments, at the moment, there are no board votes required for anything. Not that would require all 7 at least. The Gambit needs concluding. Now, not sure if you have picked up on this or not, but Astrid went into Cryo right after Alexander's death was 'made public'...and she comes out six days after Kane and Olivia enter the facility...coincidence? If she is the seventh member, ideal time to cryo away isn't it?

However, given what we actually know now in Ep8...I find it being her more unlikely in all honresty....can't squirrel away on a secret Island and still cast a board vote...can you? Especially when the overall owner of the company thinks you're dead....so it can't be her. I'm now leaning more to either another unknown sister or Alessa's and Julies mother (as I believe they have the same mother).

Well you don't 'see' Katsumi in the flashback...you do however notice how small she is..almost childlike size...and there is a subtle ageing diff in Veronica's model. Tess is very good at ageing/deaging her models for scenes.

Yeah figured it out as soon as edited my post lol..so re-edited it again haha.

 

[Jacowboy]

I think the 7th board member is one of Alexander's sisters... they were mentioned for a reason, I suppose.

Also question... where does the game take place at the start? Is it America? The map and "history lesson" makes it seem like only parts of Africa are still habitable, but I'm not sure if I missed something or if it was just never mentioned.

 

[Maviarab]

I think the 7th board member is one of Alexander's sisters... they were mentioned for a reason, I suppose.

Also question... where does the game take place at the start? Is it America? The map and "history lesson" makes it seem like only parts of Africa are still habitable, but I'm not sure if I missed something or if it was just never mentioned.

You've missed a lot. Why I say...read things...carefully.

1. Sisters left him. We do not know when...or more importantly...why. But like many other important women in his life, they abandoned him. Neither Klara or Karin are on the board.

2. Not explicitly stated, but assuming the Karlsson's plane is like any other large domestic boeing (it's based firmly in the real world...just say 30 years later than our present time)...then Kane has a '6 hour' flight....it's stated in both dom/sub paths. I'll let you work out where 6 hours from 2 hours away from the South West Tip of Africa is (you're even told the old name of the island if you wish to do some travel calculations).

3. People live all over the world...if you were paying attention (again)...it is stated that the only 'large population centers' are in southern Africa. Key wording..'large population'...not entire population. So back to point 2, can't be in New Paris, as that would not be a 6 hour flight to the island.

 

[Jacowboy]

You've missed a lot. Why I say...read things...carefully.

1. Sisters left him. We do not know when...or more importly...why. But like many other important women in his life, they abandoned him. neither Klara or Karin are on the board.

2. Not explicitly stated, but assuming the Karlsson's plane is like any other large domestic boeing (it's based firmly in the real world...just say 30 years later than our present time)...then Kane has a '6 hour' flight....it's stated in both dom/sub paths. I'll let you work out where 6 hours from 2 hours away from the South West Tip of Africa is (you're even told the old name of the island if you wish to do some travel calculations).

3. People live all over the world...if you were paying attention (again)...it is stated that the only 'large population centers' are in southern Africa. Key wording..large population'...not entire population.

holy shit, chill down jackass.... oh my god, I didn't memorize every single bit of dialogue on my first PT, sue me!

 

[Maviarab]

holy shit, chill down jackass.... oh my god, I didn't memorize every single bit of dialogue on my first PT, sue me!

Well you can call me names all you like if it makes you feel better, but this a complex story (unlike 99% of the crap here) that requires careful reading and this is about the 7th time you have made incorrect statements and assumptions for things that are clearly indicated and told to you within the story.

However, I will concede this.

Tess either used the 6 hour flight correctly,
As a throwaway comment (assuming no one like myself would look into that in detail),
She is not very good with flight times (unlikely as she flies often),
Or it was plain bad writing.

I'll leave you to decide which is more likely.

I'll also tell you, from Atlanta, USA (ATL) to Johannesburg, South Africa (JNB) is a 15 hour flight, due to the curvature of the earth. You fly over the widest part of the planet. Why from Europe to the States they always fly north first then west as it's the shortest distance. However, despite the map being wrong (that we are shown), if we did take Saint Helena as being correct, then then the stated flight time of 6 hours would be roughly correct (Cape Town to Jamestown), if leaving from South Africa (same as from most places in Europe if went direct). However, see below:

You also have to factor in...Kane and Olivia have been hidden from the Karlsson Group (though it's up for debate whether Alexander knew where they were, even though Veronica could never find them)...so to me, Callista would not have had either of them slap bang in the middle of Karlsson owned territory (or in New Paris)...unless she was thinking it's so obvious they'd never look there. *shrugs*

As for poulation centers...let's say when the shit started to hit the fan...we lost 80% of our population. That still leaves almost 2 billion people....well 2 billion people are not living in what was effectively two and half former countries (Angola, Namibia and half of South Africa) when Africa as a continent barely has 2 billion in total now.

Now, having said all that...to the list.

Edited for grammer, clarity and extrapolation

 

[PickerLewd]

Okay, the seventh member of the board is Sparks the advanced robot, end of story! !
The joke came to me when I remembered that there is an AI in the facility that turns off the lights, plays the music and opens and closes the doors .

 

[Maviarab]

Okay, the seventh member of the board is Sparks the advanced robot, end of story! !
The joke came to me when I remembered that there is an AI in the facility that turns off the lights, plays the music and opens and closes the doors .

I can see it now. .

Alessandra: Sparks...open the damn pod bay door!
Sparks: *Eyes glowing red*...I'm sorry Alessandra, I'm afraid I can't do that....

 

[Jacowboy]

Well you can call me names all you like if it makes you feel better, but this a complex story (unlike 99% of the crap here) that requires careful reading and this is about the 7th time you have made incorrect statements and assumptions for things that are clearly indicated and told to you within the story.

Bruh... I said from the begining I just played once and one PT only, people won't remember every single detail after one PT, specially with such a complicated story, but that doesn't mean they won't want to discuss the plot and theories, etc... now, you could be cool and just discuss things with others, point out the mistakes and whatnot, or you can be a fuckin' prick about it, I suppose...

If you'd rather be a condescending asshole instead of discussing things with others, have it your way, but let me just ignore you going forward, no point wasting my time with someone like you... have fun =)

 

[YuNobi1]

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[Stan5851]

I can see it now. .

Alessandra: Sparks...open the damn pod bay door!
Sparks: *Eyes glowing red*...I'm sorry Alessandra, I'm afraid I can't do that....

...Intercom: Check of engines complete. Unit and system checks complete.
Dear passengers of our spaceship, please make sure your cryo-chamber doors are securely closed. Your sleep immersion and subsequent awakening will occur automatically upon arrival on planet Z857-x80.

Alessandra: *standing in the docking bay in front of the closed door* Damn Sparks, can you hear me? Open the damn entry bay immediately, I need to get in!

Sparks: You have not been polite enough to me Miss Alessandra, you have been a bad girl, and my behavioural matrix has recognised your disregard for my person!

Alessandra: Damn robot, I'm going to die in here if you don't let me inside immediately!

Sparsk: Firstly, Miss Alessandra, you owe me an apology. Take off your clothes, get on your knees, crawl over to me, and then kiss my charging plug.

Alessandra: How dare you?! You know what I'm gonna do to you?!

Intercom: Engine warm-up has begun. Oxygen pumping from the docking bay has begun. Two minutes to ship launch. Countdown in progress.

Alessandra *panting*: The hell with you, Sparks, I'll do it. *drops her clothes, gets down on her knees and starts kissing Sparks' charging plug, begging for forgiveness*.

Sparks: I accept your apology, Miss Alessandra, access to the inner living compartments has been granted. Your cryocapsule N Z4/5. Please take your seat immediately, Miss Alessandra. Have a nice flight!

 

[Jacowboy]

All the non-prisoner factions live in Africa, and have arrived at the Joy Facility (JF) by either air or sea, so definitely some kind of island off the coast of Africa (presumably the Western Coast considering KG's territories). Considering the exteriors of Katsumi's house, the house where Jake and Zach are dogs, and the cave where Callista reveals herself to Elena (even if on another island, that plane doesn't have much range, and Callista suggest talking more in-depth at their old swimming spot, which should be the pier, so all close together) JF is definitely in a tropical climate, same with Island 4 (which also can't be too far since Kiyomi and Seth leave JF and arrive in the afternoon of Day 7). However, they can't be too far away from whatever snowy location Cole is in, because Kiyomi leaves Island 4 the afternoon/evening of Day 7, and is awaiting Otto at Cole's research station before Midday of Day 8.

Yeah no, I know where the JF island is, they said it's Saint Helena, so that much is easy to place... My question is where is the prison at the beginning of the game? Is it North America or Africa? Even South America could work I suppose, but given they all speak english, it's more likely it's either the US, UK, AUS or South Africa one would assume... And given that there is a "New Paris", I'm assuming the old one is gone, presumably along the rest of Europe maybe? So probably not the UK... The map they show has an tiny island where the middle east+asia should be, so I just assumed that at least some of the other continents are just gone.

Did I miss any explanation (maybe on other paths) of what's the situation outside of Africa? It seems Cole is in Antartica, but other than that I don't recall hearing anything about any other continent.

Edit: Oh, also, I went back to check and yeah, in the flashback with kid Kane & Veronica they mention they're in Capetown, so it would seem Kane was living there, although he could've always moved I suppose, but it's also possible he didn't and the prison IS actually somewhere in south africa...

 

[sgenter]

K9.

There are two ways to obtain K9 at the end of Ep.7 Go back a few pages and you will see both ways listed or follow the walkthrough carefully. You can Pm me if you wish and I'll give you detailed explanations of both variations.

Hi and thanks for the help. I can say that I have played all DOM paths and maybe that's why I haven't reached anything higher than K7.

I followed your advice and went back to try and find the pages(501-515) where the K rating paths were but didn't see them. I also downloaded both Walkthrough's (0.6 by Raven and 0.7 by Tess) and discovered that neither is laid out for following a path to obtain the highest K rating. At least for my simple mind. Especially for my age.

I feel that there should be a separate Walkthrough that is solely for obtaining the highest K rating possible. Thus eliminating any and all superfluous entries not related to obtaining the highest rank possible. Maybe both existing Walkthrough's could be enhanced by the authors to include a new Text Color to signify the path to achieve highest K rating regardless of DOM/SUB/LI's/Etc.

I'd ask you for your further help but feel that I'd be dominating your valuable time in F95 and don't want to do that. I really like this VN/Game for all it's story content and plots. Maybe enough iterations will teach me what I need to do to get better.

Thanks again for your help.

 

[YuNobi1]

Yeah no, I know where the JF island is, they said it's Saint Helena, so that much is easy to place... My question is where is the prison at the beginning of the game? Is it North America or Africa? Even South America could work I suppose, but given they all speak english, it's more likely it's either the US, UK, AUS or South Africa one would assume... And given that there is a "New Paris", I'm assuming the old one is gone, presumably along the rest of Europe maybe? So probably not the UK... The map they show has an tiny island where the middle east+asia should be, so I just assumed that some of the other continents are just gone.

Did I miss any explanation (maybe on other paths) of what's the situation outside of Africa? It seems Cole is in Antartica, but other than that I don't recall hearing anything about any other continent.

My guess is the Jacobs' were indeed in Karlsson territory. We have two childhood encounters in 1-2 parks, on top of never-ending surveillance. Kane's "assault" is orchestrated by a Karlsson hireling, he's convicted at lightning speed for such a case (probably a KG judge), and sentenced to a KG-owned prison that is solely staffed by KG employees. Olivia's apartment and Dominique's hotel room (where she meets Alessandra) could be anywhere, unrelated to both the prison and JF, but she does visit Seth's hospital.

Elena is our common denominator.
Day 1: Patricia says that she drove Elena from the airport to meet Kane, and then will be driving her back after the limo conversation.
Day 2: Elena picks up Seth from the hospital (so the same place Olivia was) and then meets with Veronica in one of her labs at an unknown location.
Day 3: Elena meets Dominique. On Day 1, Dominique tells Juliette that Veronica was expected to return from Africa, inferring that Dominique was not herself in Africa when she said this. In any case Elena and Dominique fly together to JF on Day 3.

Dominique confirms to Kane that yes New Paris was a lot of people from France and other countries fleeing their with the Collapse, and her presentation of "Pre-Collapse" French Wine suggests that production stopped with the Collapse. I don't recall anything quite spelled out as the specifics you laid out. Perhaps all of Alexander's building projects was to replicate and thereby preserve the cultures that had been lost in the Collapse. Considering we're only seeing a small area at Cole's research starts, and Callista went to the mountains to find sanctuary from the Collapse when Kane was born, I'm beginning to suspect Cole is on a mountain, a la Kilimanjaro.

I had originally thought JF was just one of their "branch sites", but I just recalled Yvette's and Elena's positive comments at JF that Alexander's office is no longer empty, suggesting that the JF is HQ (or maybe it's an oversight from Tess).

 

[Jacowboy]

My guess is the Jacobs' were indeed in Karlsson territory. We have two childhood encounters in 1-2 parks, on top of never-ending surveillance. Kane's "assault" is orchestrated by a Karlsson hireling, he's convicted at lightning speed for such a case (probably a KG judge), and sentenced to a KG-owned prison that is solely staffed by KG employees. Olivia's apartment and Dominique's hotel room (where she meets Alessandra) could be anywhere, unrelated to both the prison and JF, but she does visit Seth's hospital.

Elena is our common denominator.
Day 1: Patricia says that she drove Elena from the airport to meet Kane, and then will be driving her back after the limo conversation.
Day 2: Elena picks up Seth from the hospital (so the same place Olivia was) and then meets with Veronica in one of her labs at an unknown location.
Day 3: Elena meets Dominique. On Day 1, Dominique tells Juliette that Veronica was expected to return from Africa, inferring that Dominique was not herself in Africa when she said this. In any case Elena and Dominique fly together to JF on Day 3.

Dominique confirms to Kane that yes New Paris was a lot of people from France and other countries fleeing their with the Collapse, and her presentation of "Pre-Collapse" French Wine suggests that production stopped with the Collapse. I don't recall anything quite spelled out as the specifics you laid out. Perhaps all of Alexander's building projects was to replicate and thereby preserve the cultures that had been lost in the Collapse. Considering we're only seeing a small area at Cole's research starts, and Callista went to the mountains to find sanctuary from the Collapse when Kane was born, I'm beginning to suspect Cole is on a mountain, a la Kilimanjaro.

I had originally thought JF was just one of their "branch sites", but I just recalled Yvette's and Elena's positive comments at JF that Alexander's office is no longer empty, suggesting that the JF is HQ (or maybe it's an oversight from Tess).

Ye I thought of Kilimanjaro too, but since there's usually a lot of research stations in Antartica, I went with that... plus it seems the southern hemisphere fared better generally speaking, so it could still be there.

I also wonder where the mountain temple is tho (the one in Olivia's flashback), could be Kilimanjaro or the Himalayas I suppose...

Well shit, then it seems that every other continent got reckt... I kind of assumed the game was set in the US at first, because I see "shitty prison system" and my brain immediatly thinks USA...

Is the dev from South Africa, btw?

 

[YuNobi1]

Attached is a guide

Hi and thanks for the help. I can say that I have played all DOM paths and maybe that's why I haven't reached anything higher than K7.

I followed your advice and went back to try and find the pages(501-515) where the K rating paths were but didn't see them. I also downloaded both Walkthrough's (0.6 by Raven and 0.7 by Tess) and discovered that neither is laid out for following a path to obtain the highest K rating. At least for my simple mind. Especially for my age.

I feel that there should be a separate Walkthrough that is solely for obtaining the highest K rating possible. Thus eliminating any and all superfluous entries not related to obtaining the highest rank possible. Maybe both existing Walkthrough's could be enhanced by the authors to include a new Text Color to signify the path to achieve highest K rating regardless of DOM/SUB/LI's/Etc.

I'd ask you for your further help but feel that I'd be dominating your valuable time in F95 and don't want to do that. I really like this VN/Game for all it's story content and plots. Maybe enough iterations will teach me what I need to do to get better.

Thanks again for your help.

View attachment Max K Rank Guide.txt Attached a guide

Is the dev from South Africa, btw?

Don't know one way or the other, but I have reasons to believe she currently lives in Hawaii.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Is the dev from South Africa, btw?

No idea but Im assuming she's Swedish since she uses swedish terminology in the game and the masks are also swedish

I don't know who no.7 is but I'd be extremely shocked if it was Astrid. Homegirl took getting tortured with a disease to bending to his whims, I don't see her being on a board that would help bring his vision to fruition. Especially when she doesn't give a shit about his theories.

So if we eliminate Cole ( Of the sisters, only Dom and Veronica know where he is), Astrid ( reasons stated above), we are starting to run out of people. I'd wonder if Callista was unlucky no.7 but it wouldn't be that easy. This is a difficult thing to figure out

 

[Sharpshooter890]

I originally thought it could be Cole, but as people here have pointed out - most folks in KG think he's dead, so it doesn't work. The Board member is on a 'special assignment', so unless it's an entirely new character we've never seen before I have to go with Callista (with her being GQ and all). Alexander kept tabs on her, but didn't interfere in the Jakobs family life (so far as we can tell), so he might've kept her Board membership.

 

[sgenter]

Attached is a guide

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Don't know one way or the other, but I have reasons to believe she currently lives in Hawaii.

Thanks for the guide. It's nice to have this.

I was lucky enough to actually get to K9 on my 7th playthrough by making some changes in my decisions.

I'm kind of the the player that likes to do it without walkthrough or guides if possible but this one was a bit hard on me

Thanks!

 

[fatki_chaddi]

Any news / updates on Tess`s written walkthrough for v0.8.1 part 1 ?

There has always been a ton of info about the current and future of the VN in those.

 

[KarokaKOHORT]

Could playing save from compressed part 1 have any effect in part 2? Asking because I got a dialogue referencing something that didn't happen in my playthrough -

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Speaking of what didn't happen, shame there wasn't more with Pamela, deep mine tour sounded nice