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Maviarab

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It's a matter of interpretation..From Tess's own point of view, as expressed by her in Discord, she considers real femdom to be the so-called SecretSub...That is, it's what she had to deal with (in the vast majority of cases) when she practiced femdom as a "Dominatrix" IRL. That is, when quite successful people, who had achieved quite a high social status in life, just wanted to let it go, to give up responsibility and feel subordinate to their "Mistress", as part of a mutually agreed upon power exchange game (BDSM).
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Stan5851

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Wrong emotes grrrr...

Yes....well aware....no one ever listens to me though lol.
Mav, you're damn right, in that regard I just can't help but think of that phrase of yours.. ;)
Difference with some folk. When I'm blunt, put people straight, educate, I'm conceited and a bully apparently. When Tess does it in her Discord Channel or on Patreon, she a Goddess...
Well, it happens. And while you still won't become a Goddess (us guys aren't as attractive as the opposite sex, haha:p;)), the amount of knowledge you're willing to share with players still deserves respect...

I occasionally check out Tess's Discord and see you and Silver_Crow117 answering players' questions...and it doesn't surprise me anymore that Tess doesn't even have to step in and give her clarifications to your answers, because you both guys have a full grasp of the topic...So thank for this, you're saving Tess a lot of precious time that she can devote to further developing our favorite game.
 

Stan5851

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Who is this... for scientific research purposes...
This is Goddess Raven, I would call her a true Dominatrix, hehe :sneaky:...and at the same time, the protagonist (provided that playing as Luna (female human MC) you choose the BadAss Bitch (Dom) route, which is canonical in this game...There are 2 other routes, among which is the submissive route, but there are their own endings, sharply different from the canon...
https://f95zone.to/threads/lunas-fall-from-grace-v0-33-public-frozen-synapse.72741/
 

jadepaladin

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Dipping my toe in this out of curiosity more than anything else...the femdom/not femdom argument comes down to consent, yes? Kane can't exactly consent to a lot of this stuff, so it's not femdom? Kane consents to secret sub things, with multiple windows to back out (at the cost of demotion and Allesandra hatred).

Not what I expected to type when I woke up this morning.
 

Maviarab

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Dipping my toe in this out of curiosity more than anything else...the femdom/not femdom argument comes down to consent, yes? Kane can't exactly consent to a lot of this stuff, so it's not femdom? Kane consents to secret sub things, with multiple windows to back out (at the cost of demotion and Allesandra hatred).

Not what I expected to type when I woke up this morning.
Exactly it comes down to content and consent but in a sexual manner. Femdom as a term is a pretty modern term, much the same as the acronym BDSM. But all definitions of femdom come down to being sexual and within the BDSM umbrella.

So given that, hether some folk want to accept it or not, the vast bulk of scenes within KG do not constitute femdom, one because most scenes are not sexual in nature and two because without consent, without explicit willingness to submit....there cannot be any femdom.

You've seen the arguments here I'm sure, as a practicing dominant for longer than the term BDSM has been around (and coincidentally I was taught by a dominatrix heh), I don't really need to prove anything to anyone here because as I repeatedly say, very little femdom with the exception of on the SecretSub route where Kane does have the opportunity to say no to Alessandra on numerous occasions. To also add, Master/Slave is what we see mostly in KG but even then, within BDSM, the slave has still explicitly consented to be treated as such. Is that what we see here? No, it isn't.

Perhaps some folk wish or think the term means something other than it's official and dictionary term...who knows but it is a hill I will very much die on
 
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Rufio

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Ooof how did that conversation go when you guys corrected Tess on what is and isn't Femdom? Guess it was taken with a pinch of salt as by the developers own words, posts and marketing it is a femdom game (obviously in her words, not mine).

Maybe Tessa got confused because Kane (and possibly others) do consent:

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d2dacameron

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I wonder how many endings will truly be considered morally good.

I'm assuming the revolution will be violent but I wonder if you will be given an opportunity to take over the company and then just get rid of all of the clearly evil stuff and just focus on revitalising the planet (vanilla ending lol).
 

jadepaladin

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I wonder how many endings will truly be considered morally good.

I'm assuming the revolution will be violent but I wonder if you will be given an opportunity to take over the company and then just get rid of all of the clearly evil stuff and just focus on revitalising the planet (vanilla ending lol).
I imagine the revolution will be violent like you said and while it will (probably) have the effect of toppling the current regimes, we've learned from history that things don't always turn out better post revolution. Their world is slowly dying and if people can't get their shit together and let the smart people work (Cole, Veronica, Dominique to a lesser extent, Callista probably figures in somehow) things will just get worse and worse.
Personally I hope all the endings are some kind of grey because that's just how the world works.
 
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