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IS Callista there? We never see her, and Kane doesn't say where she is. Since Kane's running from his responsibilities means that may not even supposed to be at the park, but at home studying, so headed to the park in rebellion. Such act, in his juvenile logic, would be "showing her" who actually controls his life (i.e. not his mother). That's one possibility. Truth is we have no evidence she is there, or saw Yvette or Veronica. Considering Yvette did not immediately step in when the kids started bullying her daughter means that she's either worst mother, or is not in a place to see Veronica at the play area, and definitely didn't see her at the statue, thus the paige.
You think that the overprotective Callista is letting single digit Kane go to a park by himself? If Yvette is busy talking to Callista, I doubt shed noticed something as insignificant as the kids not letting her daughter play with them.
 

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You are truly are a wealth of info my friend! Glad your on here and thanks for all you help including me. :)
Heh thanks and you're very welcome, always happy (well ok maybe that's a lie...usually happy) to help 'most' people where I can, here or in DM's. :)
 
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IS Callista there? We never see her, and Kane doesn't say where she is. Since Kane's running from his responsibilities means that may not even supposed to be at the park, but at home studying, so headed to the park in rebellion. Such act, in his juvenile logic, would be "showing her" who actually controls his life (i.e. not his mother). That's one possibility. Truth is we have no evidence she is there, or saw Yvette or Veronica. Considering Yvette did not immediately step in when the kids started bullying her daughter means that she's either worst mother, or is not in a place to see Veronica at the play area, and definitely didn't see her at the statue, thus the paige.
He's about 7, not 17.

I just, I just can't anymore.
 

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You think that the overprotective Callista is letting single digit Kane go to a park by himself? If Yvette is busy talking to Callista, I doubt shed noticed something as insignificant as the kids not letting her daughter play with them.
"Overprotective"? How? She nearly left him at a park, let's him go off by himself as a teenager to spend a whole day hiking on Karlsson property, abandons him for who knows how long making him think she's dead, and then let's him be falsely accused, imprisoned for 2 months, and go through this brutal program? If that's "overprotective" I hate to see what Elena's "negligence" looks like in your mind. What was she "protecting" Kane from? Alexander? She's said herself that as long as she did exactly as Alexander wanted, Kane would live, so as long as she raised Olivia, and kept her hidden from Elena (and KG), Kane was safe, and therefore should have been safest after Alexander's death, but now he's in the most dangerous situation of his life, regardless of path.

There's a difference between a group of kids not wanting to play with your child, and the entire group bullying you, and this can be seen from afar. The absolute proof that something is wrong is the child not returning to mommy, but running off alone, so a present parent, regardless of what else is going on, is going to go find their child who ran off. The same applies for a child who storms off from his mother in a public place. Veronica, having a valuable piece of tech in a poor neighborhood, is in significant danger if alone by herself, not to mention the potential for kidnapping a rich girl for ransom, regardless if the kidnappers know if she's a Karlsson or not.
 
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He's about 7, not 17.

I just, I just can't anymore.
You never just huffed off to your room, the backyard, or a friend's house down the street, in your pre-driving years? The real you, not your fake persona.

Either way, you're again assuming something that was neither seen nor hinted at: Callista being at the park and Yvette being near her.
 

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"Overprotective"? How? She nearly left him at a park, let's him go off by himself as a teenager to spend a whole day hiking on Karlsson property, abandons him for who knows how long making him think she's dead, and then let's him be falsely accused, imprisoned for 2 months, and go through this brutal program? If that's "overprotective" I hate to see what Elena's "negligence" looks like in your mind. What was she "protecting" Kane from? Alexander? She's said herself that as long as she did exactly as Alexander wanted, Kane would live, so as long as she raised Olivia, and kept her hidden from Elena (and KG), Kane was safe, and therefore should have been safest after Alexander's death, but now he's in the most dangerous situation of his life, regardless of path.

There's a difference between a group of kids not wanting to play with your child, and the entire group bullying you, and this can be seen from afar. The absolute proof that something is wrong is the child not returning to mommy, but running off alone, so a present parent, regardless of what else is going on, is going to go find their child who ran off. The same applies for a child who storms off from his mother in a public place. Veronica, having a valuable piece of tech in a poor neighborhood, is in significant danger if alone by herself, not to mention the potential for kidnapping a rich girl for ransom, regardless if the kidnappers know if she's a Karlsson or not.
Let me make sure I got this right. Do you think that Callista's seven-year-old son apparently got pissed at his mother and ran away from home, and his mother didn't notice shit, but Yvette is supposed to notice her daughter being isolated from kids in a park the moment that it happens?
Elena getting her kid stolen from her is negligence? The hell?
As for the rest of the stuff, this update explains Callista's reason for the gambit.

I don't know what do you think Alessandra?

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Let me make sure I got this right. Do you think that Callista's seven-year-old son apparently got pissed at his mother and ran away from home, and his mother didn't notice shit, but Yvette is supposed to notice her daughter being isolated from kids in a park the moment that it happens?
Elena getting her kid stolen from her is negligence? The hell?
As for the rest of the stuff, this update explains Callista's reason for the gambit.

I don't know what do you think Alessandra?

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Let me make sure I got this right. Do you think that Callista's seven-year-old son apparently got pissed at his mother and ran away from home, and his mother didn't notice shit, but Yvette is supposed to notice her daughter being isolated from kids in a park the moment that it happens?
If Callista's house is right by the park, you don't think she let the kids just go and play there on a regular basis? Secondly, where are Callista and Yvette having this alleged meeting? If Kane and Callista came together, then they CAN'T be meeting at the play area, else Kane would have seen what happened to Veronica. Therefore Yvette, Callista, and Kane have to be away from Veronica long enough for her to approach the play area, try to play, get rejected, and then run off, all out of site of Kane. Did Yvette really leave Veronica in a place that she has never been to or doesn't remember being previously (assuming it's the same park, but Olivia does say the family moved around a lot)?

Elena getting her kid stolen from her is negligence? The hell?
Good grief, NO, read the game. Callista said Elena was neglecting Olivia, and that she was the one actually raising the girl before the Leaving, and Elena agreed. So if Callista's actions are "overprotective", according to you, then what, in your mind, made Elena's treatment of baby Olivia even worse than Callista's lifelong treatment of Kane?
As for the rest of the stuff, this update explains Callista's reason for the gambit.
... WHERE?

C: If I refused [to raise Olivia] or let [Elena] know somehow...Kane's life would be forfeit.
...Then Alexander died.
... I knew it was safe to send [Olivia] back to [Elena]
So, Alexander kills Kane if either a) Callista doesn't raise Olivia, or b) tells Elena. When Alexander dies, Callista knows Kane is safe if she breaks "b". Why then is she letting him be put on mortal danger in the Gambit? She never said Alexander would kill him if he didn't do the Gambit, and she literally said that he is no longer a threat to Kane due to his death.
Bring peace to the companies? Again she said that the bridge is Olivia AND Kane, and rounding down to 4 Gambit fates for Kane (Head, middle-management, slave, dead) therefore only a 1/4 chance of success, and equal chance of death. Why is this route necessary? Wouldn't the safest route be to bring Kane with her to his family, while Olivia takes over KG, with the classic "divide and conquer"? How would making Kane head of KG ensure peace with DS anyway? They could just see this as a betrayal.
It's not the end of the world, that was just discovered, and again, best path for Kane would be DS with Olivia as KG head.

All this doesn't change the question: why is it necessary to ensure Kane does the Gambit? Where is the threat of his death, which is Callista's tip priority, coming from? Who's going to kill him if he never enters the Gambit? This is the single biggest unanswered question of the whole game.
 
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I want to leave this alone but I can't.

If Callista's house is right by the park, you don't think she let the kids just go and play there on a regular basis? Secondly, where are Callista and Yvette having this alleged meeting? If Kane and Callista came together, then they CAN'T be meeting at the play area, else Kane would have seen what happened to Veronica. Therefore Yvette, Callista, and Kane have to be away from Veronica long enough for her to approach the play area, try to play, get rejected, and then run off, all out of site of Kane. Did Yvette really leave Veronica in a place that she has never been to or doesn't remember being previously (assuming it's the same park, but Olivia does say the family moved around a lot)?
Ignoring the fact that no decent parent would allow their single-digit kid that far away from them without adult supervision, let alone one under Callista's circumstances. So you're now saying that Yvette took her kid to the poor person's park to play, and said park just happened to be close to Callista's residence? That would be one helluva coincidence. At some point you have to concede that Callista and Yvette were meeting while said kids were playing. Yes, it wasn't stated specifically, but common sense and context clues should give us the whole story of that day.
 

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Ignoring the fact that no decent parent would allow their single-digit kid that far away from them without adult supervision, let alone one under Callista's circumstances.
Apparently you never frequent or pass/go through low-mid to low income neighborhoods. Kids there, ranging from 5 to 11, are always playing together on the streets or in someone's open yard (especially if that yard as anything resembling a swing or something to jump on) without an adult in sight. Especially common between the time school's out and the time parents get home, you can set your clock to it.
Again, what circumstances is that? Alexander won't kill him, since Callista is doing her job, she knows that he's tracking her, and Kane's familiar with the area and the local kids. What danger is he in?

Regardless, for "decent parent", you again haven't answered the important question:
Who is going to kill Kane if he never enters the Gambit?
 

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The plot does seem as if it might possibly be at risk tripping over itself. Kane has to be part of the program/gambit because that's what Alexander wanted, and Veronica is enforcing that "will and testament" because she needs the Gambit Queen's help with "the last door" (probably a metaphorical one). Callista wants Kane in the program because it's apparently the only way to keep him safe/alive.

If the Gambit Queen is Callista, then the entire plot is going to fall flat on its face.
 
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Apparently you never frequent or pass/go through low-mid to low income neighborhoods. Kids there, ranging from 5 to 11, are always playing together on the streets or in someone's open yard (especially if that yard as anything resembling a swing or something to jump on) without an adult in sight. Especially common between the time school's out and the time parents get home, you can set your clock to it.
Again, what circumstances is that? Alexander won't kill him, since Callista is doing her job, she knows that he's tracking her, and Kane's familiar with the area and the local kids. What danger is he in?

Regardless, for "decent parent", you again haven't answered the important question:
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So your hypothesis is that this happened at a different time at a different playground where Callista just happened to talk to a parent and a girl with "hair like fire?" No matter how hard you try, you're not going to shove a square block in a round hole.

Contrary to what movies will tell ya, if a parent gives a damn about their young kid, they won't be anywhere unsupervised, if not by them then by a sibling or babysitter. Just because you don't see them don't mean they aren't there.

It's established that Alexander is a madman; she'd be an idiot to just trust his word and leave herself to his whims if she believed him capable of killing her and her kid.

Callista's reasoning was literally just bought up this update. At least let Tess hint at an answer before expecting an answer to that question.
 
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The plot does seem as if it might possibly be at risk tripping over itself. Kane has to be part of the program/gambit because that's what Alexander wanted, and Veronica is enforcing that "will and testament" because she needs the Gambit Queen's help with "the last door" (probably a metaphorical one). Callista wants Kane in the program because it's apparently the only way to keep him safe/alive.

If the Gambit Queen is Callista, then the entire plot is going to fall flat on its face.
I think you should maybe play it again, and actually read, very carefully, what is going on (and ignore any of Yu's fatastical ravings for the time being).

Then come back with any questions you have (I unfortunately don't have the time to disect and correct your post at the moment).
 
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I think you should maybe play it again, and actually read, very carefully, what is going on (and ignore any of Yu's fatastical ravings for the time being).

Then come back with any questions you have (I unfortunately don't have the time to disect and correct your post at the moment).
I have come to the understanding over the last few days that I have been here that some people read hardly anything story-wise in the game and just look at the sexy pictures
 
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