VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2A Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

I have come to the understanding over the last few days that I have been here that people read hardly anything story-wise in the game and just look at the sexy pictures

I can't agree with that. You're judging by the last few days you've joined the discussion. But if you spend a lot of your time looking through most of the posts in our thread, you will see that there are a lot of intelligent, deep and interesting arguments and assumptions that actually make sense (unlike the nonsense that YuNobi1 writes). In addition, many points that for ordinary players became obvious only with the release of new updates, for many regular participants and visitors of this thread, became obvious long before that.

Well, and newcomers, asking stupid (as it seems to us) questions and making erroneous conclusions ... well, it is inevitable, like the ebb and flow of tides. But once upon a time we were newbies too, until we plunged our heads into analyzing the events taking place in the game and began to know more.

 

[Dreadlord Sinister]

I can't agree with that. You're judging by the last few days you've joined the discussion. But if you spend a lot of your time looking through most of the posts in our thread, you will see that there are a lot of intelligent, deep and interesting arguments and assumptions that actually make sense (unlike the nonsense that YuNobi1 writes). In addition, many points that for ordinary players became obvious only with the release of new updates, for many regular participants and visitors of this thread, became obvious long before that.

Well, and newcomers, asking stupid (as it seems to us) questions and making erroneous conclusions ... well, it is inevitable, like the ebb and flow of tides. But once upon a time we were newbies too, until we plunged our heads into analyzing the events taking place in the game and began to know more.

I was mostly referring to the ones whose outlandish theories are so bat shit insane that you can't help but laugh or don't really amount anything I know I used to be one of them until I actually started reading the story when the dread cruiser was in for repairs and was like hey this is fucking cool

 

[Maviarab]

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Btw guys, as it's not on discord yet, any news on the Walkthrough?

 

[YuNobi1]

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So your hypothesis is that this happened at a different time at a different playground where Callista just happened to talk to a parent and a girl with "hair like fire?" No matter how hard you try, you're not going to shove a square block in a round hole.

Look at the facts, man, compare the scenes, even Dark Quean Olivia agreed with the assessment that these are different flashback periods.

Callista's reasoning was literally just bought up this update.

I'm a simple man, I ask a simple question: Where does Callista give her reasoning? Where does she explain how her goal to keep Kane alive, and putting him in the Gambit, align? Odds of dying without the Gambit entry: 0% (or at least no higher than the average human). Odds of dying IN Gambit: at least 25% chance of death, (I'm still crunching the exact numbers so far). Therefore, a sane honest person, who claims to want someone, would conclude that a place with 0% probability of death is better than 25+% probability of death. Where in this update does Callista state the reason that she believed BEFORE the Gambit began that the 25+% death probability was the best choice to keep Kane alive?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Onto more important things...

one of the sisters is missing a good laughing pic time to rectify that

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Anybody want to do the same for ronny, have at it hoss, won't be me.

 

[Maviarab]

Onto more important things...

one of the sisters is missing a good laughing pic time to rectify that

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Anybody want to do the same for ronny, have at it hoss, won't be me.

I've actually been going through the images looking for good laughing pics....there's actually an impressive shortage of manic sister laughing (ones worth using at least).

 

[rai1230]

"Overprotective"? How? She nearly left him at a park, let's him go off by himself as a teenager to spend a whole day hiking on Karlsson property, abandons him for who knows how long making him think she's dead, and then let's him be falsely accused, imprisoned for 2 months, and go through this brutal program? If that's "overprotective" I hate to see what Elena's "negligence" looks like in your mind. What was she "protecting" Kane from? Alexander? She's said herself that as long as she did exactly as Alexander wanted, Kane would live, so as long as she raised Olivia, and kept her hidden from Elena (and KG), Kane was safe, and therefore should have been safest after Alexander's death, but now he's in the most dangerous situation of his life, regardless of path.

There's a difference between a group of kids not wanting to play with your child, and the entire group bullying you, and this can be seen from afar. The absolute proof that something is wrong is the child not returning to mommy, but running off alone, so a present parent, regardless of what else is going on, is going to go find their child who ran off. The same applies for a child who storms off from his mother in a public place. Veronica, having a valuable piece of tech in a poor neighborhood, is in significant danger if alone by herself, not to mention the potential for kidnapping a rich girl for ransom, regardless if the kidnappers know if she's a Karlsson or not.

yes i agree with this Callista is really not overprotective i don't thinks she even care this much a bout Kane and we can see this in the last update from her conversations with Elena and our only one and true goddess V i mean bro literally is being used as toilet seat and get his tongue modified to be a better ass/kitty cleaner and the way Elena treats hem at the end plus Olivia can let archers try kill him np

 

[Dreadlord Sinister]

If Callista knew Kane was gonna be in a future gambit why didn't she teach him any sort of survival skills weapons training anything that could give him an edge?

 

[Stan5851]

yes i agree with this Callista is really not overprotective i don't thinks she even care this much a bout Kane and we can see this in the last update from her conversations with Elena and our only one and true goddess V i mean bro literally is being used as toilet seat and get his tongue modified to be a better ass/kitty cleaner and the way Elena treats hem at the end plus Olivia can let archers try kill him np

Lol, what's Callista's fault? It's not her fault that certain players decided to turn unruly Kane into a pathetic whore and a lowly worm who worships sadistic bitches, right? So look for the problem in those who control Kane in this manner. Personally, to me, Callista in the Dom route looks like what a mother should be, who managed to raise her son properly, who even when put in an extreme situation did not let her down and justified the effort invested in him. Which, by the way, Elena happily reported. So look for the problem in yourself, not Callista.
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This woman did the best she could under the circumstances Alexander put her in (and is still fighting for her son to succeed and win the Gambit)..

 

[Maviarab]

If Callista knew Kane was gonna be in a future gambit why didn't she teach him any sort of survival skills weapons training anything that could give him an edge?

This comes down to the unknown deal that Alexander made Callista take. That's why as we see more and more, the 'escape' annoys me a little personally, Cole didn't help her escape...Alexander allowed it (remember, she took Olivia with her, which we now know was Alexander's idea).

Now, whether Cole knew all this or not is another qestion...or maybe the 'Olivia deal' came after the pier scene we see...who knows. There's unfortunately a hell of a lot missing that we are completely unaware of and that Callista has still not told anyone (that we've been allowed to see). Also remember, Alexander has been keeping tabs on them, they have video and phot's of them growing up. So Kane is educated to the best of Callista's ability but unfortunately for Kane, he is not a Karlsson and Olivia is, and Callista knew (she even says it people) that they 'will be coming for you soon'. Olivia had to be trained more to deal and take her sisters on. Kane did not need this, as he is the Neo and saviour. So you really think Alexander would not have not have noticed if Callista was breaking some terms of the deal and giving Kane combat and weapons training and whatever knows else?

And this comes back to Rai's comments earlier. Part of the Gambit, is for Kane to work his way up, to beat the odds, to do what Alexander did (although different circumstances). For rai1230 the whole point of the Gambit is for Alexander to get a grandson between Kane (Callista's blood) and one of his daughters. The only reason Kane is alive (and Callista and Olivia) is this gambit. Callista had no choice but to accept to keep her son alive. This is all perfectly explained within the story, if once again, people actually comprehend what they are reading. And yes, a mother doing whatever she has to do to keep her child alive...is called being a protective mother. You thinkm the richest, most powerful man in the world could not carry true on his threat?

Also, please, forget what happens on the sub path...a lot of it makes no contextual sense because (and I can't believe I'm having to say this...yet...again)...it is not the default path. everything said about Kane in the past (before GD01), especially by Olivia herself, proves this alone if nothing else.

 

[rai1230]

Lol, what's Callista's fault? It's not her fault that the player decided to turn unruly Kane into a pathetic whore and a lowly worm who worships sadistic bitches, right? So look for the problem in those who control Kane in this manner. Personally, to me, Callista in the Dom route looks like what a mother should be, who managed to raise her son properly, who even when put in an extreme situation did not let her down and justified the effort invested in him.Which, by the way, Elena happily reported. So look for the problem in yourself, not Callista.
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This woman did the best she could under the circumstances Alexander put her in (and is still fighting for her son to succeed and win the Gambit)..

ok so what you are saying if kane is dom he is worthy of his mothers love if not then he should die that is a not really logical
and can you please prove to me that she had no option if she really was a s smart as you want to believe she is ?
i don't know if you played the sub path but i think any parent would help there son in a situation like that look at Elena she made it clear that she is welling to burn everything for her daughter but Callista really dose not care you can believe what you want but from her action we can clearly see that she dose not.
also for one of the smartest individuals in the game she really is not in control in what happens to kane
and throwing kane in the gambit blindly like that is really stupid
so please play other routs and you will see how her reaction says it all.
so i really dont see any valid points in your argument all i see is you saying i cant handle that someone has a criticism or an opinion that is different

 

[phoenix1994]

One question still remains would be the drive,

Lets say Callista was Threatened for Kane to enter the gambit,
This threat might be psychological or loss of a person or thing that she values above all else or threat on her or Kane's life.
If the one to enforce this Threat is assumed to be Alexander,
Why should Callista even follow with the plan once Alexander died?
There needs to be an force or a motive strong enough for Callista to put Kane in harm's way in the Gambit.
Even, at extreme end, if we consider her to be as broken/ruthless as Alexander, it will not be a small push.

Also another question would be, why did Alexander not start the gambit when he was alive?
he would have greater control over gambit, As his wishes are the things that drive the gambit and molded out actions/ behaviors of the family.

 

[Maviarab]

ok so what you are saying if kane is dom he is worthy of his mothers love if not then he should die that is a not really logical
and can you please prove to me that she had no option if she really was a s smart as you want to believe she is ?
i don't know if you played the sub path but i think any parent would help there son in a situation like that look at Elena she made it clear that she is welling to burn everything for her daughter but Callista really dose not care you can believe what you want but from her action we can clearly see that she dose not.
also for one of the smartest individuals in the game she really is not in control in what happens to kane
and throwing kane in the gambit blindly like that is really stupid
so please play other routs and you will see how her reaction says it all.
so i really dont see any valid points in your argument all i see is you saying i cant handle that someone has a criticism or an opinion that is different

Also another question would be, why did Alexander not start the gambit when he was alive?

*sighs*...

He did. Why the fuck do you think he has 6 daughters?

 

[Dark Quean Olivia]

ok so what you are saying if kane is dom he is worthy of his mothers love if not then he should die that is a not really logical
and can you please prove to me that she had no option if she really was a s smart as you want to believe she is ?
i don't know if you played the sub path but i think any parent would help there son in a situation like that look at Elena she made it clear that she is welling to burn everything for her daughter but Callista really dose not care you can believe what you want but from her action we can clearly see that she dose not.
also for one of the smartest individuals in the game she really is not in control in what happens to kane
and throwing kane in the gambit blindly like that is really stupid
so please play other routs and you will see how her reaction says it all.
so i really dont see any valid points in your argument all i see is you saying i cant handle that someone has a criticism or an opinion that is different

 

[phoenix1994]

He did. Why the fuck do you think he has 6 daughters?

Not that, I meant the actual execution of gambit itself, the trigger of bringing Kane into the facility.
Even if he was ill or was on bed rest, he could still have started the whole plan an year back and he would still have had an hand on the direction of program. As we have seen till now, from the time we saw the meeting with Elena, its still has been less than a few months and, assuming linear progression of game and the time that passes inside the game, more than half of gambit has passed.

 

[Stan5851]

ok so what you are saying if kane is dom he is worthy of his mothers love if not then he should die that is a not really logical
and can you please prove to me that she had no option if she really was a s smart as you want to believe she is ?
i don't know if you played the sub path but i think any parent would help there son in a situation like that look at Elena she made it clear that she is welling to burn everything for her daughter but Callista really dose not care you can believe what you want but from her action we can clearly see that she dose not.
also for one of the smartest individuals in the game she really is not in control in what happens to kane
and throwing kane in the gambit blindly like that is really stupid
so please play other routs and you will see how her reaction says it all.
so i really dont see any valid points in your argument all i see is you saying i cant handle that someone has a criticism or an opinion that is different

I don't play in the sub route as I hate femdom. And losers licking the heels of sadistic women continue to accuse Callista of not caring enough..Well..To such people I say the following. Get rid of your spinelessness first, become a strong man, instead of complaining about the mother (albeit in-game) who raised you.

 

[rai1230]

I don't play in the sub route as I hate femdom. And losers licking the heels of sadistic women continue to accuse Callista of not caring enough..Well..To such people I say the following. Get rid of your spinelessness first, become a strong man, instead of complaining about the mother (albeit in-game) who raised you.

ahh i played the game on the dom route I'm such a chad

 

[Hazardgaming]

I think you should maybe play it again, and actually read, very carefully, what is going on (and ignore any of Yu's fantastical ravings for the time being).

Then come back with any questions you have (I unfortunately don't have the time to dissect and correct your post at the moment).

The Karlsson Group board members are all seemingly content working in the part of the corporate structure that best suit their personality and capabilities. The only person at the KG that seems capable of forcing the gambit to happen is Veronica (same threat as she issued Alexander), but she's largely indifferent towards all of it. Which is why I assume that she's ????? at the boat meeting with the Gambit Queen, who has information that ????? needs and is demanding that the gambit happens in exchange for said info.

People seem to assume that the Gambit has to happen, when it would be infinitely more convenient to just ignore that specific request from their dead father. The Karlsson Group is for all intent and purpose a sovereign state, so other than Veronica going nuclear and rendering all their collars and chips useless, nobody really has the means to force them to do anything.

But you may be right and there is something that I'm missing. Feel free to point out what that is. It's all about motive.

 

[Stan5851]

ahh i played the game on the dom route I'm such a chad

No need for big titles, just call me Gigachad.

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And get your arse ready, Dark Quean Olivia is already wearing a thick strap-on and is coming for you.

 

[indio68]

UHM pretty boring update and quite short considering how much time it taken....