VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

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Stan5851

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Silver_Crow117 said:
Who is this... for scientific research purposes...
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This is Goddess Raven, I would call her a true Dominatrix, hehe :sneaky:...and at the same time, the protagonist (provided that playing as Luna (female human MC) you choose the BadAss Bitch (Dom) route, which is canonical in this game...There are 2 other routes, among which is the submissive route, but there are their own endings, sharply different from the canon...
https://f95zone.to/threads/lunas-fall-from-grace-v0-33-public-frozen-synapse.72741/
 
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Dipping my toe in this out of curiosity more than anything else...the femdom/not femdom argument comes down to consent, yes? Kane can't exactly consent to a lot of this stuff, so it's not femdom? Kane consents to secret sub things, with multiple windows to back out (at the cost of demotion and Allesandra hatred).

Not what I expected to type when I woke up this morning.
 
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jadepaladin said:
Dipping my toe in this out of curiosity more than anything else...the femdom/not femdom argument comes down to consent, yes? Kane can't exactly consent to a lot of this stuff, so it's not femdom? Kane consents to secret sub things, with multiple windows to back out (at the cost of demotion and Allesandra hatred).

Not what I expected to type when I woke up this morning.
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Exactly it comes down to content and consent but in a sexual manner. Femdom as a term is a pretty modern term, much the same as the acronym BDSM. But all definitions of femdom come down to being sexual and within the BDSM umbrella.

So given that, hether some folk want to accept it or not, the vast bulk of scenes within KG do not constitute femdom, one because most scenes are not sexual in nature and two because without consent, without explicit willingness to submit....there cannot be any femdom.

You've seen the arguments here I'm sure, as a practicing dominant for longer than the term BDSM has been around (and coincidentally I was taught by a dominatrix heh), I don't really need to prove anything to anyone here because as I repeatedly say, very little femdom with the exception of on the SecretSub route where Kane does have the opportunity to say no to Alessandra on numerous occasions. To also add, Master/Slave is what we see mostly in KG but even then, within BDSM, the slave has still explicitly consented to be treated as such. Is that what we see here? No, it isn't.

Perhaps some folk wish or think the term means something other than it's official and dictionary term...who knows but it is a hill I will very much die on
 
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Ooof how did that conversation go when you guys corrected Tess on what is and isn't Femdom? Guess it was taken with a pinch of salt as by the developers own words, posts and marketing it is a femdom game (obviously in her words, not mine).

Maybe Tessa got confused because Kane (and possibly others) do consent:

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I wonder how many endings will truly be considered morally good.

I'm assuming the revolution will be violent but I wonder if you will be given an opportunity to take over the company and then just get rid of all of the clearly evil stuff and just focus on revitalising the planet (vanilla ending lol).
 
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d2dacameron said:
I wonder how many endings will truly be considered morally good.

I'm assuming the revolution will be violent but I wonder if you will be given an opportunity to take over the company and then just get rid of all of the clearly evil stuff and just focus on revitalising the planet (vanilla ending lol).
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I imagine the revolution will be violent like you said and while it will (probably) have the effect of toppling the current regimes, we've learned from history that things don't always turn out better post revolution. Their world is slowly dying and if people can't get their shit together and let the smart people work (Cole, Veronica, Dominique to a lesser extent, Callista probably figures in somehow) things will just get worse and worse.
Personally I hope all the endings are some kind of grey because that's just how the world works.
 
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This is just my pov depending on when we get pt3 I don't think we will get ep 9 till the end of the year/beginning of 26
 
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Rufio said:
Ooof how did that conversation go when you guys corrected Tess on what is and isn't Femdom? Guess it was taken with a pinch of salt as by the developers own words, posts and marketing it is a femdom game (obviously in her words, not mine).

Maybe Tessa got confused because Kane (and possibly others) do consent:

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Stan5851 said:
She's not Tessa, but Tess. Just saying. As for Kane consent, no, it doesn't work that way. Once given consent to participate in an obscure rehab program with obscure conditions doesn't change anything. In fact, in the Sub route we have a slave and Master relationship where no one asks Kane what he wants.

Femdom is one part of the BDSM subculture, and it's as much a fact as the fact that day replaces night.
BDSM, in turn, is impossible without its immutable tenets of "safe, sane, and consensual." And it's not a one-time consent..The participant of any BDSM-session, in particular, the "bottom" (sub), can always stop the game with the sacramental word stop...

But on the slave track (Sub route), no one asks KaneSub for his consent, the sadists don't care about his opinion at all. That's the difference...And the fact that such an element of consent/disagreement is present only on the SS branch (which, let me remind you, Tess herself considers to be a real femdom), once again confirms the plain truth that any femdom, as well as maledom, is a priori an element of the BDSM subculture, which is associated with strict rules to which both sides of the game of power exchange must obey.

But since we have not "harmless roleplay BDSM games in the bedroom", but a harsh post-apocalyptic utopia, with a race of slaves and a race of Masters, it makes sense that consent is out of the question...And since that's the case, it's no longer femdom, but slavery.... (except for the SS route).

Of course, in today's world, in the buy-and-sell coordinate system, no one will bother, and it's easier for Tess to call the whole game completely femdom, and Patreon will agree with her. That said, everyone is well aware that this game is not about "femdom in a cozy bedroom or fake dungeon", but about a slave who can either grow above himself, defeat everyone, and become Caesar, owning a corporation (rank Z5) and half the world. Or this slave can refuse responsibility and, after going through a series of humiliating trials, try to reach a lower level (but still quite high Z1-Z2) and become a servant/assistant of his Mistress (or group of Mistresses) belonging to one faction or another. And remain obedient to someone else's will, a kind of "slave in a golden cage".

And even in my case, where I, as a Dom player, play exclusively my oute...even here there is no purely maledom, but rather a set of elaborate tasks designed to bring out Kane's leadership skills and sometime in the future allow him to become a full-fledged Master of all these sadistic elite bitches..

That's the harsh reality of this game. But I realize that for some people who don't want to think about terminology, it's easier (and safer) to call it femdom and forget about it.

And I'm not talking about Tess, who, being a practicing dominant herself, understands perfectly well that real femdom (as well as maledom) involves a lot of responsibility and the very real concern of the "Top"(Dom) for the "bottom" (sub), but about ordinary players, some of whom find it easier to use familiar terms (even if those terms are in fact completely contrary to what is in our game).

But if someone doesn't like this reality of Kane's disempowered slave and finds it easier to call it all femdom (for their own comfort), then who am I to stop them?
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Why own 1 corporation when evilDom Kane could own 2
 
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Rufio said:
Ooof how did that conversation go when you guys corrected Tess on what is and isn't Femdom? Guess it was taken with a pinch of salt as by the developers own words, posts and marketing it is a femdom game (obviously in her words, not mine).

Maybe Tessa got confused because Kane (and possibly others) do consent:

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Still trying and failing completely at trying to prove a point I see.

I guess the old saying really is true, different year, same old shit ;):devilish:
 
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Stan5851 said:
This is Goddess Raven, I would call her a true Dominatrix, hehe :sneaky:...and at the same time, the protagonist (provided that playing as Luna (female human MC) you choose the BadAss Bitch (Dom) route, which is canonical in this game...There are 2 other routes, among which is the submissive route, but there are their own endings, sharply different from the canon...
https://f95zone.to/threads/lunas-fall-from-grace-v0-33-public-frozen-synapse.72741/
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Played this today, it was a little jank in places UI wise but overall I thought the story was great and got the Dark Queen ending.

Rufio said:
Ooof how did that conversation go when you guys corrected Tess on what is and isn't Femdom? Guess it was taken with a pinch of salt as by the developers own words, posts and marketing it is a femdom game (obviously in her words, not mine).

Maybe Tessa got confused because Kane (and possibly others) do consent:

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"Do you accept a spot in this suspicious program that I've barely explained anything about?" is somehow consent for femdom? Make it make sense.
 
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Finally finished my first playthrough and I have to say its one of the best AVN I have ever played this game is almost as addicting as a drug I could not put it down because my mind just had so many questions and wanted to know about every mystery and the more I played the more questions I had and it was like a vicious cycle definitely 10 out of 10 game I cant wait for more.
 
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