VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[gregers]

I haven’t played the current build yet (waiting for it to be out of test), what’s the issue people are having with the demon path? I’ve always done the demon path for evil play throughs so I’m curious what recent event turned people away.

The new event is essentially more of what you'll already have seen if playing that path Sex! Murder! Sexy Murder! Murderous Sex! so I guess this must be more about the reaction the dev is getting from some of the game's followers rather than the specific event.

 

[SlowGoesSlow]

The new event is essentially more of what you'll already have seen if playing that path Sex! Murder! Sexy Murder! Murderous Sex! so I guess this must be more about the reaction the dev is getting from some of the game's followers rather than the specific event.

That’s a shame, it was a good polar opposite route in comparison to a route like Uber good guy JunkoRomance/ Revolution route.

 

[PGpauljp13]

Well not really...looks/sounds like we can still do an evil path (essential for Juliette romance) but the 'uber extreme demon' evil path is being cut. I'm fine with that even if I also liked that path...but can live with and accept it.


Also find it interesting, despite what some (lesser known posters) here constantly spout...from actual paying subscribers, it looks like doms and subs are pretty evenly split and not majority sub players....

You do understand this is a Dom issue not sub so much?

 

[Maviarab]

You do understand this is a Dom issue not sub so much?

You do understand what you said has nothing to do with what I said at all? This from someone who hasn't even posted here for 7 months before a few weeks ago. I'm well aware of what is on what route thank you.

 

[Sancho1969]

..
For those that have played Episode 8, not to spoil it for those that haven't, this flag applies to one scene with Dom Kane, Juliette, and Mercy. I think those that have played can understand which scene I mean.
What does it mean if I seriously do consider taking it out? What it practically would mean is that I would abandon the demon flag and make deeper paths on the good dom, secret sub, and flesh out more of the normal dominant Kane path where he can be assertive and form relationships/harem females over time. A bit more "normal" versus extreme evil possibilities. This is not a change I love from my own personal writing standpoint, as I like writing about the extremes, but I am also getting weary (weary is the perfect word) from constant bad actors pushing on stuff related to this specific path.
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TessSadist,

Bullshit.

I'm not a fan of the hardcore Evil fork (I didn't enjoy coding for it but I didn't enjoy coding for the Sub forks either), but a dev should NOT alter their writing due to this outside pressure from "bad actors".

It's simply not acceptable to roll over and surrender your vision to accommodate someone else's regarding art of any form.

Stay true to your original concept and storyboard. This is YOUR product, not anyone else's. You'll never please 100% of folks no matter what you do... and that's okay. The point is not to go about that to please folks but to produce the story you originally envisioned.

So, yes, I call bullshit. Stay true to your path. Anyone that doesn't like your production has the choice to simply stop exploring the medium and move on to some other product.

 

[Maviarab]

Bullshit.

I'm not a fan of the hardcore Evil fork (I didn't enjoy coding for it but I didn't enjoy coding for the Sub forks either), but a dev should NOT alter their writing due to this outside pressure from "bad actors".

It's simply not acceptable to roll over and surrender your vision to accommodate someone else's regarding art of any form.

Stay true to your original concept and storyboard. This is YOUR product, not anyone else's. You'll never please 100% of folks no matter what you do... and that's okay. The point is not to go about that to please folks but to produce the story you originally envisioned.

So, yes, I call bullshit. Stay true to your path. Anyone that doesn't like your production has the choice to simply stop exploring the medium and move on to some other product.

Exactly this. Block them...delete them...disable them...cancel their account...move on with your life and story.

 

[motseer]

TessSadist,

Bullshit.

I'm not a fan of the hardcore Evil fork (I didn't enjoy coding for it but I didn't enjoy coding for the Sub forks either), but a dev should NOT alter their writing due to this outside pressure from "bad actors".

It's simply not acceptable to roll over and surrender your vision to accommodate someone else's regarding art of any form.

Stay true to your original concept and storyboard. This is YOUR product, not anyone else's. You'll never please 100% of folks no matter what you do... and that's okay. The point is not to go about that to please folks but to produce the story you originally envisioned.

So, yes, I call bullshit. Stay true to your path. Anyone that doesn't like your production has the choice to simply stop exploring the medium and move on to some other product.

Exactly this. Block them...delete them...disable them...cancel their account...move on with your life and story.

I agree with you guys 100%. I also understand it is, perhaps, easier for us to say than for TessSadist to do. I think it's important to convey the fact that a vast majority of us are on board either way.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

from the way its worded, the problem isn't that they don't like that path its that they like it too much and they're becoming creeps to tess because of it and she doesn't want to put up with the bullshit

 

[Maviarab]

from the way its worded, the problem is that they don't like that path its that they like it too much and they're becoming creeps to tests because of it and she doesn't want to put up with the bullshit

Yeah that's about the sum of it. Ultra obsessive.

 

[Zalakijin]

from the way its worded, the problem isn't that they don't like that path its that they like it too much and they're becoming creeps to tess because of it and she doesn't want to put up with the bullshit

seem more like it yes,and it's always the little number of creep who cry the louder, big majority just enjoy what a dev do, or just share their idea, but it's to the dev to decide if those share idea can go in the same way than the dev view if not he just continue his own vision.

Those who don't like something well just skip it or go see another game.

 

[Maviarab]

Those who don't like something well just skip it or go see another game.

That's far too simple for them to comprehend.

 

[spencerkimfaxg]

I'm with these guys TessSadist, tell your story, your way. Between your "**warning**" and Sancho1969 s excellent mod I can easily avoid the stuff that makes me uncomfortable. With regard to the psychos... Firstly, protect yourself. Secondly, ban/ignore/report, as Maviarab said.

But really; is anyone truly surprised a story that conflates sex and violence, the way this does, brings out the twists?

Stay safe TessSadist, I really do look forward to the story unfolding.

 

[kinkyshin]

Tbh I actually wouldn't mind if the evil path was a bit less evil lol.

I always had mixed feelings about it, and then the tentacle scene was unexpectedly hot until you realize you're rubbing one out to someone literally being murdered. And the evil path really encourages you to side with Juliette, feels like it kinda punishes you for not siding with her.

 

[Kagarus]

...have you folks read the same patreon post I did?

1. Bad actors harass, annoy, etc. her, which endangers her enjoyment she gets from creating the game (one of the main reasons why she creates it to begin with),
2. Said bad actors are almost exclusively fans of the demon path,
So
3. In order to protect her enjoyment, she's considering removing the demon path (in the hope that the game won't attract more bad actors)

So like "I create art because I enjoy it, these assholes keep endangering my enjoyment (and therefor also the continued creation of art), how can I get rid of them" - that's it. It's not about her telling her story or not, or surrendering her vision or anything.

One can wax poetically how an ideal artist should NEVER RETREAT, NEVER SURRENDER; but maybe, just maybe, in an actual case the actual artist, and what they get out of creating the art, is more important.

As for Banning, Blocking&co, those only go so far at making a problem like that go away.

 

[Love Blonde & HugeTits]

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This game buff for Seth or something. If i'm not wrong, this game just MC dom right and every man in this game just slave, how the hell have another man can fuck girl with this tool and i not see any scene have buff his tinydick become this gun?

 

[desperatecub02]

can any sexy chick murder any of the guys

 

[Rocket007!]

That's your first post? Seriously?

I don't use this site much

 

[TessSadist]

Hi everyone!

I can't spend too much time reading everything so I am so sorry, but a Patron thought I should at least send a message about what is happening so here is what I am contemplating:

1) I do not have any problems/issues with "haters" or triggered people that dislike the game factoring into this Patreon poll except with Anais a little. Of course I have haters, but they are not relevant to me in the grand scheme of life. Most people that take more than fleeting moments of their time to "hate" in a detailed manner ANY game are frankly irrelevant people to me. They are more likely than not invisible people in the real world, so I'm fine with that type because this is often one of the only ways they can merit not being invisible...even if for a moment.

Highly successful and confident people that are happy in life rarely bother with this kind of behavior but just move on if they encounter something they dislike. I do this with incest games for example that I dislike. (I just move on, but don't bother anyone else)

Frankly, I consider my own opinion of my own game more important/persuasive than the combined collective of every human being on the planet. I will never deny I am extremely ego centric and that if something doesn't agree with my own mind, it does not matter how many people try and convince me otherwise. One single good statement/argument by one person can trump thousands of people parroting something I just don't agree with/care about, etc. I do believe I have a couple of mentally weird people that are haters, but they are not really relevant to what I am talking about here except to the specific one(s) that are bothering Anais, which does irritate me. But I wouldn't change anything based on haters.

2) The issue is with people that like a certain path TOO MUCH. I will try and give a decent analogy without being specific. Let's say a game has incest with the father/daughter vibe. I think many people know I personally DETEST this kink and I think it's creepy and gross, but I do NOT assign moral judgement on people that enjoy playing this kink because I do not believe 99.9% of people would really act out in such a way. I believe most people are sane and healthy and understand that a game is just that...a game. But unfortunately what I am discovering is that percentage for my game is lower than 99.9%.

So I dislike the kink, but I never become a hater and blast the game/dev/players. But let's say a dev making that game is now receiving a disturbing picture or two related to that specific kink. It's not because of hate but rather over enthusiasm so to speak. This is not really a hater issue, but rather people that are TOO enthusiastic about a fantasy game in disturbing ways. I don't want to be more specific than this, but this is about people that like the game too much, not too little.

3) I have not made up my mind yet, but this is a data gathering process for sure.

4) That's it. Just a feeler for now. But I don't want people to think it's because of negative hate for the game, it's actually because of the opposite problem -- way overzealous "lovers" more than anything else.

I do apologize in advance as it is unlikely I will be good at responding but I do miss/appreciate some great F95 people!

Thanks! (working on Final Version!)
Tess

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Jesus, you literally just proved her point.

Tess, you have no need to explain any of this to us. This is your story; do whatever you feel is right. I imagine it must be tiring to receive demands/suggestions from such individuals about the deviant stuff to put into your game after a while.

 

[DarkerThenBlack]

Let's say a game has incest...

Your game has incest



Regarding hate(not the valid criticism), the best thing to do is to completely ignore it, don't even mention it. The more clout you give the haters, the more fuel you give them, because they see it gets to you.



Good luck with this massive game, hopefully it won't get banned for incest and your team will be able to work it out till the sweet conclusion.