VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

It´s my third save too hahaha, but being EvilDomKane and GoodSubOlivia

To be honest, I'm still not sure that such a construct would be viable. I'm talking specifically about the opposing moral compasses of such an EvilKaneDom and such an GoodSubOlivia. How does EvilDomKane intend to move to the top if Tess has made it pretty clear that Olivia's vote in Kane's final evaluation (Ep8 pt3) will be the deciding factor. And can you imagine that good Olivia would genuinely want to give a K10 ranking to evil Kane?

I highly doubt it...Though, of course, from the perspective of player experience and trying to see how many possible paths Tess has envisioned, this polar moral-antimoral mix could be interesting.

As for GoodSubOlivia's, I have that save too, but the problem is that her submissiveness (at least for now) has nothing to do with AnyDomKane...Roughly speaking, her "sub scores only" affect (or will affect) everyone around her except Kane..

And for Kane (I'm 99.9% sure of it) in case Tess allows our Kane to possess Olivia, who is submissive to him personally, it will be again some unique variable/flag (like "princess eyes"), which points we will earn quite differently than just letting Olivia make "submissive" decisions in dialogs with sisters and JF staff.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

To be honest, I'm still not sure that such a construct would be viable. I'm talking specifically about the opposing moral compasses of such an EvilKaneDom and such an GoodSubOlivia. How does EvilDomKane intend to move to the top if Tess has made it pretty clear that Olivia's vote in Kane's final evaluation (Ep8 pt3) will be the deciding factor. And can you imagine that good Olivia would genuinely want to give a K10 ranking to evil Kane?

I highly doubt it...Though, of course, from the perspective of player experience and trying to see how many possible paths Tess has envisioned, this polar moral-antimoral mix could be interesting.

As for GoodSubOlivia's, I have that save too, but the problem is that her sabbissiveness (at least for now) has nothing to do with AnyDomKane...Roughly speaking, her "sub scores only" affect (or will affect) everyone around her except Kane..

And for Kane (I'm 99.9% sure of it) in case Tess allows our Kane to possess Olivia, who is submissive to him personally, it will be again some unique variable/flag (like "princess eyes"), which points we will earn quite differently than just letting Olivia make sub decisions in dialogs with sisters and JF staff.

It could be possible if he doesn't do evil shit in her presence.

 

[Don Sucio]

To be honest, I'm still not sure that such a construct would be viable. I'm talking specifically about the opposing moral compasses of such an EvilKaneDom and such an GoodSubOlivia. How does EvilDomKane intend to move to the top if Tess has made it pretty clear that Olivia's vote in Kane's final evaluation (Ep8 pt3) will be the deciding factor. And can you imagine that good Olivia would genuinely want to give a K10 ranking to evil Kane?

Yeah, in the end it isn´t compatible but who kows, my idea when i began this save was try to be "pathetic" with Olivia and force the sisters to demote her for being "useless" and weak, but for now it isn´t working
If we hide our acts from Olivia maybe it´s possible like MilesEdgeworth said.

 

[Stan5851]

It could be possible if he doesn't do evil shit in her presence.

I don't think it's as simple as you describe. It may well not work in a game. You know the game logic. Any decisions made (even if a key character is, roughly speaking, in a different building/room, will still affect how they treat you (if that's what the dev decides). Plus, even if that's the case, you can't forget that Olivia will be aware of every detail and every little thing, even if she loses sight of Kane for a second during the show.

Think back to the glasses that Kane picked up while massaging one of Phoebe's adopted daughters. Olivia wasn't in the room either, but that didn't stop her (and everyone else) from learning about everything Kane did and making appropriate decisions about his rank.

 

[ramvivat]

probably Juliet's mother was freken Bok, whom Karlsson visited during the time when he lived on the roof =) Why did I decide this? Yes, this Juliet is as harmful as the harmful housekeeper freken Bok was.
Apparently, Karlsson had an approach to difficult women and had the key to their hearts. after all, Karlsson is “a smart, moderately well-fed man in the prime of his life!”
and why else would Karlsson fly to the Kid, pray tell? to fuck Kid? no, to fuck frecken Bok of coz =)

I remembered Astrid Lindgren’s story about Karlsson who lived on the roof - and that’s why I always smile when I see this name mentioned.

 

[Maviarab]

We spend way too much time in this thread

I think so yes...9k posts...and over 1.5k are just from us 3 lmao.

To be honest, I'm still not sure that such a construct would be viable. I'm talking specifically about the opposing moral compasses of such an EvilKaneDom and such an GoodSubOlivia. How does EvilDomKane intend to move to the top if Tess has made it pretty clear that Olivia's vote in Kane's final evaluation (Ep8 pt3) will be the deciding factor. And can you imagine that good Olivia would genuinely want to give a K10 ranking to evil Kane?

I highly doubt it...Though, of course, from the perspective of player experience and trying to see how many possible paths Tess has envisioned, this polar moral-antimoral mix could be interesting.

As for GoodSubOlivia's, I have that save too, but the problem is that her sabbissiveness (at least for now) has nothing to do with AnyDomKane...Roughly speaking, her "sub scores only" affect (or will affect) everyone around her except Kane..

And for Kane (I'm 99.9% sure of it) in case Tess allows our Kane to possess Olivia, who is submissive to him personally, it will be again some unique variable/flag (like "princess eyes"), which points we will earn quite differently than just letting Olivia make "submissive" decisions in dialogs with sisters and JF staff.

It could be possible if he doesn't do evil shit in her presence.

As for possible. Look at the EvilOlvia/SubKane path. She treats you awfully....as Sharp said, she a real monster. However, as long as you trigger the SisBro/SisTeam points...you're atill on each others side. Even more so if you hit the PrincessEyes variable. That's one of my saves...it's a fun one in that...Olivia treats him like literal trash...yet he still all in an Team Sis lmao.

So I can imagine a GoodOlivia/EvilKane still working somewhat...as long as the Bro/Team points are high enough (until kane learns everything Olivia already knows...remember, those points are not actually for Kane, they are for Olvia in how she sees you being able to help her and be on her side)...unless at some point Tess has another variable comes up that will block a good/evil combo (from ranking up).

I will agree with Stan and also think that a new points system on our Dom score and Olivia's Sub score could trigger her being submissive to us...especially on the romance route, however (and remember, not played new update yet) all this depends directly on her seeing us as a viable romance option...something that has not happened yet on the Dom path, but has happened on the sub path already.

 

[Stan5851]

Yeah, in the end it isn´t compatible but who kows, my idea when i began this save was try to be "pathetic" with Olivia and force the sisters to demote her for being "useless" and weak, but for now it isn´t working
If we hide our acts from Olivia maybe it´s possible like MilesEdgeworth said.

Believe me, I'd like that as much as you do. But for me, it's too good to be true...At least for now, Tess has Olivia clad in the impenetrable "almost princess on the throne" plot armour...But when (and if) that armour starts to crack and break, that's when I hope our KaneDom can explain to Olivia why she should obey the man she loves, hehe.

 

[ramvivat]

I want to ask in the update, is there a scene where three people were left on an island with a labyrinth?

 

[Sharpshooter890]

You know, we all joke about Zach being a whimp, but I know who he will become. The riddle of steel is the answer. He will sink to the lowest of K2s only to pull himself up by his own hair and fulfill his destiny as the Gigachad of KG, dethroning Kane in the process. Olivia, Jules, Deliliah, everyone will bow down to Zachy!

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I don't think it's as simple as you describe. It may well not work in a game. You know the game logic. Any decisions made (even if a key character is, roughly speaking, in a different building/room, will still affect how they treat you (if that's what the dev decides). Plus, even if that's the case, you can't forget that Olivia will be aware of every detail and every little thing, even if she loses sight of Kane for a second during the show.

Think back to the glasses that Kane picked up while massaging one of Phoebe's adopted daughters. Olivia wasn't in the room either, but that didn't stop her (and everyone else) from learning about everything Kane did and making appropriate decisions about his rank.

Yea but the massage had to do with ranking, the sisters were going to know regardless. If it doesn't affect princess eyes or sisbro, it shouldn't affect her relationship with Olivia too much

 

[Don Sucio]

Believe me, I'd like that as much as you do. But for me, it's too good to be true...At least for now, Tess has Olivia clad in the impenetrable "almost princess on the throne" plot armour...But when (and if) that armour starts to crack and break, that's when I hope our KaneDom can explain to Olivia why she should obey the man she loves, hehe.

My form to "explain" Olivia why she need to obey me would be something like that:

 

[motseer]

You know, we all joke about Zach being a whimp, but I know who he will become. The riddle of steel is the answer. He will sink to the lowest of K2s only to pull himself up by his own hair and fulfill his destiny as the Gigachad of KG, dethroning Kane in the process. Olivia, Jules, Deliliah, everyone will bow down to Zachy!
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[UnamedPluto]

I'm like the anti- Maviarab

My primary save is just pure evil. If anything, I've often found myself wishing there were more inventive solutions to situations, or that Kane could one up Juliette entirely.

You want me to inject Dumbo? How about I roll him over into the bath and a laugh as he sinks? You want me to fuck Sam while people drown? Why don't we make the guy choose between his love and his sister, and make him choke the other with his bare hands or they all die? And that's just the surface of what immediately popped into my head as ideas during those scenes.

Most of the time I'm just disappointed in our blonde chihuahua's lack of creativity. I 100% get that Tess can't make a billion paths, but I do wish there was a side path similar to the Alessa secret-sub, but instead it's essentially just the Karlssons realizing that they've brought a monster into their facility. Kind of like if EvilOlivia kills that one pink haired guy at the start.

As for the gambit, and the company as a whole? I couldn't care less. Hell, if anything, I would welcome this road inevitably leading to Kane's death, as long as everything else is immolated as well.

"(...)because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

 

[Stan5851]

If it doesn't affect princess eyes or sisbro, it shouldn't affect her relationship with Olivia too much

Well, at least such a combination of two opposites should be interesting. But I don't have (and don't plan to have) such a saves, and my KaneDom and Olivia (whether good, evil or mixed) have roughly the same moral/anti-moral compass.

 

[Stan5851]

"(...)because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

And when you walk through the smoking ruins in the final game, remember not to look at the explosions behind you. Otherwise, the last surviving Karlsson, covered in blood and soot, will inevitably shout back at you that you are too weak.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

I'm like the anti- Maviarab

My primary save is just pure evil. If anything, I've often found myself wishing there were more inventive solutions to situations, or that Kane could one up Juliette entirely.

You want me to inject Dumbo? How about I roll him over into the bath and a laugh as he sinks? You want me to fuck Sam while people drown? Why don't we make the guy choose between his love and his sister, and make him choke the other with his bare hands or they all die? And that's just the surface of what immediately popped into my head as ideas during those scenes.

Most of the time I'm just disappointed in our blonde chihuahua's lack of creativity. I 100% get that Tess can't make a billion paths, but I do wish there was a side path similar to the Alessa secret-sub, but instead it's essentially just the Karlssons realizing that they've brought a monster into their facility. Kind of like if EvilOlivia kills that one pink haired guy at the start.

As for the gambit, and the company as a whole? I couldn't care less. Hell, if anything, I would welcome this road inevitably leading to Kane's death, as long as everything else is immolated as well.

"(...)because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

Damn, I really like those! I'd LOVE to see Juliette's face once she realizes that she's a nice and virtuous woman compared to Kane. That kind of Evil path could be very fun to play, sadly, however, it would seem that Tess won't be making much of 'extreme' content in the future. Or, perhaps, I misunderstood the posts.

 

[UnamedPluto]

however, it would seem that Tess won't be making much of 'extreme' content in the future. Or, perhaps, I misunderstood the posts.

 

[Stan5851]

however, it would seem that Tess won't be making much of 'extreme' content in the future. Or, perhaps, I misunderstood the posts.

I assume you know the background to this issue..Anyway, decision is still pending and Tess should announce it later in one of her patreon devlogs. Either way, there is no talk of cancelling the EvilDom path. And it may (or may not) affect only the content for demon/demoness flags.

 

[Maviarab]

Out of reactions so:

You know, we all joke about Zach being a whimp, but I know who he will become. The riddle of steel is the answer. He will sink to the lowest of K2s only to pull himself up by his own hair and fulfill his destiny as the Gigachad of KG, dethroning Kane in the process. Olivia, Jules, Deliliah, everyone will bow down to Zachy!

Yea but the massage had to do with ranking, the sisters were going to know regardless. If it doesn't affect princess eyes or sisbro, it shouldn't affect her relationship with Olivia too much

Hopefully...how it all currently works at least.

I'm like the anti- Maviarab

"(...)because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

Well, at least such a combination of two opposites should be interesting. But I don't have (and don't plan to have) such a saves, and my KaneDom and Olivia (whether good, evil or mixed) have roughly the same moral/anti-moral compass.

I have one for the lulz....I doubt it will go anywhere though...I think it's wise for any Olivia romance saves...to be of the same alignment.

I assume you know the background to this issue..Anyway, decision is still pending and Tess should announce it later in one of her patreon devlogs. Either way, there is no talk of cancelling the EvilDom path. And it may (or may not) affect only the content for demon/demoness flags.

Correct. If she stops doing content...it will purely be for the Demon/Demoness/DemonessDomPath content (which up to last update, didn't actually exist anyway...just the scene to trigger the flags)...the Evil path will still exist.

 

[UnamedPluto]

it may (or may not) affect only the content for demon/demoness flags.