VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[htkk]

Stan5851 Not the final version, but if you want to update your own post for the OP:

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Also attached the Faction Sheet. Cos I'm nice like that....sometimes.

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[kinkyshin]

Damn, I actually kind of wish I didn't read that but there was 0% chance that I could resist it long term anyways.

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[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Damn, I actually kind of wish I didn't read that but there was 0% chance that I could resist it long term anyways.

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Another interesting thing if I'm reading it right,

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[The_Man_With_No_Name]

My ultimate concern reading this is that it seems to confirm the fear I had that over time KG would just become "Quantum Academy's prequel" and shape itself and bend its story more to be a better prequel and primarily existing for that purpose. Everything seems to lead to QA and be built for QA's purpose in terms of setup, as opposed to being a game that takes place in the same universe that happens to come first with only one continuity leading to QA so that it is only "canon" in one variation so that KG can "stand alone" better.

It kind of makes Astrid and Co. and how they got to space the "real" story of KG.

 

[Stan5851]

Stan5851 Not the final version, but if you want to update your own post for the OP:

Mav, thanks. I've updated the WT post (link in the OP).

 

[Silver_Crow117]

My ultimate concern reading this is that it seems to confirm the fear I had that over time KG would just become "Quantum Academy's prequel" and shape itself and bend its story more to be a better prequel and primarily existing for that purpose. Everything seems to lead to QA and be built for QA's purpose in terms of setup, as opposed to being a game that takes place in the same universe that happens to come first with only one continuity leading to QA so that it is only "canon" in one variation so that KG can "stand alone" better.

It kind of makes Astrid and Co. and how they got to space the "real" story of KG.

No really it’s not, it’s been said multiple times that each players playthrough will be their own true ending, just because QA is a continuation of KG doesn’t mean that it’s the canon Sequal necessarily because it depends on what the player aims for… Hell, even Kane doesn’t have to be present for QA to happen… that’s one of the starting points for KG (Dom/sub/ Veronica RO/ Veronica[Olivia RO)… plus the only characters that survive everything are Veronica, Delilah and Astrid… everyone else can die… it’s not even that big of a survival list… Kane doesn’t even need to work with faction B… in the end it’s what the player want to do, and how they personally perceive the canonical end to their story

 

[Stan5851]

It kind of makes Astrid and Co. and how they got to space the "real" story of KG.

I had long suspected (at least since the scene of young Kane and Olivia in the temple - Ep7) that “being sent into space” would be the canon ending.We later learned that each side (Dom players and Sub players) would get their own canon ending (among other endings that aren't), but there would be another, true canon ending (according to Tess herself). And there was little doubt as to what it would actually be. Further events have only confirmed this.

We know that Tess wrote the entire history of her game universe (in her own words) long before Karlsson's Gambit, the events of which, if I remember correctly, in “manuscript form” take up only about 10% of the entirety of the written global history. And relatively recently, we learned in Q&A (in the answer regarding Veronica's identity) that, at least in Tess's mind, there are about 7 different games related to each other.
In my entire giant lore of seven connected games in my head, Veronica Karlsson is a giant figure that impacts way beyond KG.
A third game (written by Tess herself) is planned after Karlsson's Gambit is finished, and not much is known about it yet, except that its events (if I remember correctly), also take place in space, in the distant future.

So it looks like “QA” is just one of these possible 7 games whose events could take place in this game universe and KG is exactly the foundation and linchpin for future games. You can delay the agony of the Earth, but you can hardly save it permanently...Even if it succeeds, in any case, the world will no longer be what it was before the Great Collapse. And so it is necessary to explore new worlds, expanding the habitat of mankind...So the “space ending” with the colonists always seemed pretty logical to me under the circumstances.

 

[Stan5851]

plus the only characters that survive everything are Veronica, Delilah and Astrid… everyone else can die…

Since when did Delilah join the "undying club"?

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

So it looks like “QA” is just one of these possible 7 games whose events could take place in this game universe and KG is exactly the foundation and linchpin for future games. You can delay the agony of the Earth, but you can hardly save it permanently...Even if it succeeds, in any case, the world will no longer be what it was before the Great Collapse. And so it is necessary to explore new worlds, expanding the habitat of mankind...So the “space ending” with the colonists always seemed pretty logical to me under the circumstances.

I think this is exactly the problem.
What's the point of the Gambit?
What's the point of Kane for that matter?
Why even have a game with choices if its all doomed anyway, faction B goes to space no matter what(the most important detail), the other games aren't on earth because its doomed, and nothing in the game has any baring for future titles?

A comparison is Sandstorm by Gleenx where one ending leads to the game Snowstorm and another ending leads to the game Duststorm

In this, nothing in KG ultimately matters. To have it matter you would need an ending for example, where the assets from island 4 are seized to make a small but stable part of earth and so that QA only happens in certain endings. If you don't QA is always canon and takes priority for narrative beats and nothing in KG matters outside if MC from QA is related to Kane.

KG could have been world building back narrative for some other game.("The Earth was doomed and controlled by a dominatrix cabal, so we fled to the stars.") It doesn't exist for itself. Its narrative isn't important. Astrid's is.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Since when did Delilah join the "undying club"?

Seeing Delilah Locked out of all the Evil endings and I guess being secretly good is quite a trip.

 

[Stan5851]

I think this is exactly the problem.
What's the point of the Gambit?
What's the point of Kain for that matter?
Why even have a game with choices if its all doomed anyway, faction B goes to space no matter what, the other games aren't on earth because its doomed, and nothing in the game has any baring for future titles?

A comparison is Sandstorm by Gleenx where one ending leads to the game Snowstorm and another ending leads to the game Duststorm

In this, nothing in KG ultimately matters. It could have been world building back narrative for some other game.("The Earth was doomed and controlled by a dominatrix cabal, so we fled to the stars.") It doesn't exist for itself. Its narrative isn't important. Astrid's is.

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[Stan5851]

Seeing Delilah Locked out of all the Evil endings and I guess being secretly good is quite a trip.

Yeah, it would be fun to see that...but from what I've heard from Tess, Delilah can't change for the better..It's just that so far we only have 2 characters who are guaranteed not to die under any circumstances or endings are V and Astrid and I have no idea why Silver decided to put Delilah in there as well...(but maybe he knows something you and I don't know yet).

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

That Earth is doomed is just my speculation based on different things we've been shown.

An opinion I more or less agree with which is why endings to KG outside of "go to space" seem pointless

I mean, it's pretty hard (imo) to come up with sequels for those games where in the finale the MC becomes invulnerable or gets a huge power over the whole world. After all, all the peaks have already been conquered and goals achieved and no one is able to challenge you. So it's hard for me to imagine a sequel to KG taking place on this same Earth (even if we imagine that Veronica, Astrid, Callista, Cole and Co manage to perform a miracle and deal with the famine and revive the flora and fauna).

Right I wouldn't expect a sequel on Earth. An "I won" ending would be nice. Not "I'm doomed anyway". It would be nice if there were endings where QA never happens so that you can say that QA only happens in certain realities/scenarios. Makes both QA and the other endings of KG feel like they matter.

It's like in the same

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Yeah but that was a half reboot because the sequel's sandbox was bad.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Yeah, it would be fun to see that...but from what I've heard from Tess, Delilah can't change for the better..It's just that so far we only have 2 characters who are guaranteed not to die under any circumstances or endings are V and Astrid and I have no idea why Silver decided to put Delilah in there as well...(but maybe he knows something you and I don't know yet).

Did I read the faction sheet wrong? In the sheet I don't see in it a Part where Delilah is part of an evil faction. But yeah nothing about her being invincible.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Yeah, it would be fun to see that...but from what I've heard from Tess, Delilah can't change for the better..It's just that so far we only have 2 characters who are guaranteed not to die under any circumstances or endings are V and Astrid and I have no idea why Silver decided to put Delilah in there as well...(but maybe he knows something you and I don't know yet).

It’s in her notes document that she released on Patreon (thought I saw it on here ), plus I’m also working on QA

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[MilesEdgeworth]

Everything Silvercrow says should be locked behind a spoiler wall since they be randomly dropping spoilers without even thinking about it

Alright, minor quibble after reading the sheet, but why does she keep referring to him as a dekock? I get his father is a dekock but isn't he a Jacobs until he changes the name? Yea yea I know its her story but it still bugs me

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Everything Silvercrow says should be locked behind a spoiler wall since they be randomly dropping spoilers without even thinking about it

Alright, minor quibble after reading the sheet, but why does she keep referring to him as a dekock? I get his father is a dekock but isn't he a Jacobs until he changes the name? Yea yea I know its her story but it still bugs me

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[Stan5851]

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Also attached the Faction Sheet. Cos I'm nice like that....sometimes.

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Well, I've read both the WT and the Faction Sheet carefully and with interest.

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[Maviarab]

Well, I've read both the WT and the Faction Sheet carefully and with interest.

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Not even bothered looking at it yet. Will get to it in the next few days, probably over the weekend.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Well, I've read both the WT and the Faction Sheet carefully and with interest.

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Only thing I can think of is if you don't secure Cass's loyalty flag as Olivia she may not totally be onboard. But yeah Silver and Mav are better at translating "Tess Speak"