VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Silver_Crow117]

Mav, thanks!..coz as you can see, I've already switched to contemplation of Veronica's juicy ass and other equally curious places... I wonder what Silver considers a lie in this dialog..Probably the fact that Dominique didn't tell Cole the whole truth about Callista (that she's actually alive) and Cole already knew it, assuming it was Callista who texted him on the terminal (earlier) and sent him a picture of Kane..But whether Dominique actually knows Callista is alive is an open question. So maybe there was no lie on her part.

Tbh I’ve been procrastinating this hahaha but yeah it’s Dominique lying to Cole about the knowledge of Kane status… and Since Cole found out by a message of I’m thinking Nadia since it involves using tech secretly, he pushed back the timeline of the project which he never does… do you wanna know why he pushed it back? It’s so that he can get rescued by Otto and the DeKocks! The thing is, it doesn’t seem like Dominique knows of it… neither does Veronica…. Clearly Cole thought Kane was dead and found out Kane survived.. and in fact, held captive by the Karlssons… Clearly Cole wants to see his son… but how that happens, we’re not sure yet…

we do know that Cole has those Yellow flowers that were sent to him… who sent those flowers? Clearly it’s a reminder of their past and she found him… someone other than Dominique knows he’s there…

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[MilesEdgeworth]

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I'm not quite sure why you consider K4 canon and not, for example, K6? Just because someone decided to cave in to the sadistas and be more submissive? But we have a choice in what we do and we don't have to bend at all.

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Callista had access to the Dekocks, a Veronica who would've done anything for her, and plenty of time to devise a plan to avoid this game. She just took the easiest path. She's the smartest woman in this universe, so I have a hard time believing she couldn't devise any plan other than giving Alexander precisely what he wanted.

Im a dom player, so I go against Kane's natural instincts. Allow me to clear up my typo; I meant to write his relationship with Seth, not Zach. By that, I mean she didn't raise him to be ruthless. She didn't raise him to let someone like Zach be bullied, and if Kane doesn't do that, he's doomed to K4. Zach and Seth are a lot alike in that they are both weak. Sure he can be raised through the ranks later, but that's still a tremendous disadvantage to start off with.

Can avoid K4 without bullying Zach...the two are not mutually exclusive.

True, but you can't avoid K4 without trying to help or ignoring what happens to Zach. Both of which would be counter to how Kane was raised.

 

[Maviarab]

and if Kane doesn't do that, he's doomed to K4

True, but you can't avoid K4 without trying to help or ignoring what happens to Zach.

If [Slave] >=3, then [K4]

Yes you can. Again, they are not mutually exclusive.

There is one choice (to help build him up) in Ep2. This gives +1 Slave (before this choice you can get to -1 Slave btw). So we are at 0. No questions for Pat gives -1 Slave, so we are back to -1. Not signalling Pat (if took her deal) does nothing. Next is the ball test. Top answer does nothing, second answer awards +1 slave. So again, still at -1.

End up -1 Slave, you have helped and been good to Zach, you have not not screwed him over with Pat and you finish at K6 (other early choices dependant).

 

[Igetby]

You guys always post these good thorough comments on the story that make me do a replay and then I just get distracted by Juliette and Olivia's perfect butts, again.

 

[Stan5851]

Callista had access to the Dekocks, a Veronica who would've done anything for her, and plenty of time to devise a plan to avoid this game. She just took the easiest path. She's the smartest woman in this universe, so I have a hard time believing she couldn't devise any plan other than giving Alexander precisely what he wanted.

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Im a dom player, so I go against Kane's natural instincts. Allow me to clear up my typo; I meant to write his relationship with Seth, not Zach. By that, I mean she didn't raise him to be ruthless.

Callista couldn't have raised him like that because she herself was never ruthless...I don't think you can instill a quality (like ruthlessness) in a person without possessing it yourself... Even Olivia, who was better trained, is not ruthless at all, unless of course the player wants to change her character in the course of the game..

She didn't raise him to let someone like Zach be bullied, and if Kane doesn't do that, he's doomed to K4.

No, Kane is not doomed to be K4, Maviarab cited data that disproves that...BTW, this is roughly how I went about my pure GoodDom save (with minimum of evil points).

Zach and Seth are a lot alike in that they are both weak. Sure he can be raised through the ranks later, but that's still a tremendous disadvantage to start off with..

Spoiler: About Seth

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[PickerLewd]

This rear part of the body, also known as the buttocks-bootie-derriere-rump-cheeks-hams-caboose shown in the main banner belongs to Dominique? I can't remember .

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[Maviarab]

That's Alessa's bikini bottom

 

[Silver_Crow117]

This rear part of the body, also known as the buttocks-bootie-derriere-rump-cheeks-hams-caboose shown in the main banner belongs to Dominique? I can't remember .

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Tbh Dominique doesn’t have the greatest (Ass)ets… even Juliette (middle) and Mercy (right) and her sisters beat her out

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I guess she’s more visually appealing tho…

 

[Stan5851]

Tbh Dominique doesn’t have the greatest (Ass)ets… even Juliette (middle) and Mercy (right) and her sisters beat her out

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I guess she’s more visually appealing tho…

Our girls are better..

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Not to mention Veronica's royal ass...

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[MZy321]

Is there a Kane path just for Olivia? I’d like to focus only on her, but there are so many choices in the game that I get confused.

 

[Stan5851]

And how could I forget to mention the best ass in the game! Shame on me! Of course, our lovely Olivia wins!

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[Stan5851]

Is there a Kane path just for Olivia? I’d like to focus only on her, but there are so many choices in the game that I get confused.

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[MZy321]

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Man, thank you so much! You cleared up a lot of doubts I had, and now it’s easier to make decisions.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

If [Slave] >=3, then [K4]

Yes you can. Again, they are not mutually exclusive.

There is one choice (to help build him up) in Ep2. This gives +1 Slave (before this choice you can get to -1 Slave btw). So we are at 0. No questions for Pat gives -1 Slave, so we are back to -1. Not signalling Pat (if took her deal) does nothing. Next is the ball test. Top answer does nothing, second answer awards +1 slave. So again, still at -1.

End up -1 Slave, you have helped and been good to Zach, you have not not screwed him over with Pat and you finish at K6 (other early choices dependant).

Mav is making me do homework over here, but if I must defend my statements, so be it. PS: I hope your helmet shrinks. >:O

Since we're not screwing over Zach, we're turning down Pat's deal and making sure he's well-fed so the food gets shared among 20 prisoners.

First point is legit screwing over jake by keeping information to himself, would canon Kane do that? Doubtful, but for the sake of argument, we're talking Zach and only Zach; let's go yes, so 0.
The next point is encouraging Zach, so we're currently at 1
The next point is answering Pat, which would be 0 since it benefits no one to antagonize Pat, and Kane isn't a sub. So, still at 1.
Since Kane fed the 20 prisoners, the next point is 2 or 3, so he's at 3 or 4. Game over. Don't pass; go, and don't collect two hundred dollars.
During this run-through, I kept everything dominant.

So whether it's keeping all the food to myself, keeping the information to myself, or just ignoring Zach, the player is required to screw over Zach to get to k5 or k6. There is no way around it. Dom or sub doesn't matter; sub just gives you up to 3 more meaningless points.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

Mav is making me do homework over here, but if I must defend my statements, so be it. PS: I hope your helmet shrinks. >:O

Since we're not screwing over Zach, we're turning down Pat's deal and making sure he's well-fed so the food gets shared among 20 prisoners.

First point is legit screwing over jake by keeping information to himself, would canon Kane do that? Doubtful, but for the sake of argument, we're talking Zach and only Zach; let's go yes, so 0.
The next point is encouraging Zach, so we're currently at 1
The next point is answering Pat, which would be 0 since it benefits no one to antagonize Pat, and Kane isn't a sub. So, still at 1.
Since Kane fed the 20 prisoners, the next point is 2 or 3, so he's at 3 or 4. Game over. Don't pass; go, and don't collect two hundred dollars.
During this run-through, I kept everything dominant.

So whether it's keeping all the food to myself, keeping the information to myself, or just ignoring Zach, the player is required to screw over Zach to get to k5 or k6. There is no way around it. Dom or sub doesn't matter; sub just gives you up to 3 more meaningless points.

I'm on Mav's side on this one.

- Accepting Pat's deal has nothing to do with Zach or Jake, it only improves your chances without negatively affecting theirs, so you should always do that if you aim for K5/K6.
- You should equally keep the food to yourself, since if you share it with nebulous 'prisoners' you only gimp yourself, Jake and Zach stay as they are. Their results are static (unless you give food to Jake, then he wins, but we talk about Zach).
- You don't have to belittle Zach or rat him to Patricia to win as long as you accepted the deal and ate the food, so no Evil/Slave points there.
- Don't tell Jake about the hacker, because why would you? It doesn't concern him.

At the end you end up with -1 or 0 Slave points. We don't need to 'screw Zach' to get to K6, only to be neutral to him.

As for 'canon' Kane, I've already elaborated why there can be no such thing. Same for Olivia.

 

[rai1230]

I was talking about the first comment that was made.

As for Callista, she literally couldve used the dekocks to protect Kane, but she didn't, she chose to sacrifice Kane to the alter of Alexander.

Honestly we've all been mistaken as to what would land Kane in K4 and affect his future in the game. We've been arguing dominant, submissive. However, none of that mattered, all thats about is Kane's sexual kinks. What lands Kane in 4 is whether or not he's willing to bully Zach which considering that he just went to jail for protecting his brother from a bully would make Kane a bit of a hypocrite.
So if we're going canon, Kanes already set up to be k4 before he even leaves the prison. So if Callista put him in the game knowing the rules and knowing how kane will react given his relationship with Zach, she absolutely set him up for failure and if she didnt know the rules, shes an idiot for putting her son in such a dangerous game with unknown variables.

i agree also she really doesn't seam to care about him even after she speaks with Olivia's mom she dose not tell her to protect him also Olivia's mom (forgot her name) even though she is evil she was ready to burn the world to protect her daughter and even was angry at Callista for hiding her daughter but Callista dose not care the her best friend is treating her son as a toilet the fact that she still uses Kane as a slave speaks volume about how not good of a mother Callista is the only one that actually care about Kane is his half sister.
veronica is also wired how she behave around Kane

 

[rai1230]

Spoiler: Very… subbish view on things

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Kinda glad Tess gave us the option on going with Elena if we don’t want to go the Olivia route

is this in the game already or its coming in the update?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I'm on Mav's side on this one.

- Accepting Pat's deal has nothing to do with Zach or Jake, it only improves your chances without negatively affecting theirs, so you should always do that if you aim for K5/K6.
- You should equally keep the food to yourself, since if you share it with nebulous 'prisoners' you only gimp yourself, Jake and Zach stay as they are. Their results are static (unless you give food to Jake, then he wins, but we talk about Zach).
- You don't have to belittle Zach or rat him to Patricia to win as long as you accepted the deal and ate the food, so no Evil/Slave points there.
- Don't tell Jake about the hacker, because why would you? It doesn't concern him.

At the end you end up with -1 or 0 Slave points. We don't need to 'screw Zach' to get to K6, only to be neutral to him.

As for 'canon' Kane, I've already elaborated why there can be no such thing. Same for Olivia.

But accepting the deal has everything to do with Zach and Jake since, according to her deal, you're not allowed to help Zach or Jake, and you're even required not only to point out that Zach is failing but you're also required to scare the shit out of the other two by faking pain from pats love tap.
I've kept the information about the game to myself in the above experiment, though that means not helping Jake.
Though it's not explicitly said, you're taking food from Zach by being a selfish eater. Don't imagine Zach's not among the 20 prisoners who would get extra food, hence the extra points for either jogging or walking during the test.

 

[Stan5851]

I'm on Mav's side on this one.

- Accepting Pat's deal has nothing to do with Zach or Jake, it only improves your chances without negatively affecting theirs, so you should always do that if you aim for K5/K6.
- You should equally keep the food to yourself, since if you share it with nebulous 'prisoners' you only gimp yourself, Jake and Zach stay as they are. Their results are static (unless you give food to Jake, then he wins, but we talk about Zach).
- You don't have to belittle Zach or rat him to Patricia to win as long as you accepted the deal and ate the food, so no Evil/Slave points there.
- Don't tell Jake about the hacker, because why would you? It doesn't concern him.

At the end you end up with -1 or 0 Slave points. We don't need to 'screw Zach' to get to K6, only to be neutral to him.

As for 'canon' Kane, I've already elaborated why there can be no such thing. Same for Olivia.

I agree, except for the statement about canon. And here I stand by my convictions. Every human personality is formed and laid down from early childhood. Our Kane can only be a "blank" slate if we start playing a regular game as a character who has no past (let's say he lost his memory or the developer decided to skirt the issue by making things easier on himself). But in the case of KG it's not so, and as we go through the game we get to know a lot of important moments, which will make it easy to understand what this guy is. So, imo, Kane is a pretty assertive guy by nature, not inclined to be submissive.

And then we take control, and it's up to us whether Kane continues to be himself (the conventional dominant) or whether we let him turn into a pervert who revels in his submissiveness and refuses to take responsibility, willingly putting himself in the hands of a sadistic bitches.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

But accepting the deal has everything to do with Zach and Jake since, according to her deal, you're not allowed to help Zach or Jake, and you're even required not only to point out that Zach is failing but you're also required to scare the shit out of the other two by faking pain from pats love tap.

She decides to help you out because you're an assertive guy and she likes you. Even if you did promise her to bring others down as part of the deal, you don't have to do it. You gaining an advantage doesn't nessesarily mean that the others are doomed to fail, they have a chance to do well too. It's not your fault they are weak.
As for showing your acting chops - it only affects you, the player, not the others. Now, if Jake and Zach got, say, +2 Slave points as a result of that choice while you got 0 or -1, that would be a different story, but that's not in the game, so the optimal option becomes an easy choice with no negative consequences.

I agree, except for the statement about canon. And here I stand by my convictions. Every human personality is formed and laid down from early childhood. Our Kane can only be a "blank" slate if we start playing a regular game as a character who has no past (let's say he lost his memory or the developer decided to skirt the issue by making things easier on himself). But in the case of KG it's not so, and as we go through the game we get to know a lot of important moments, which will make it easy to understand what this guy is. So, imo, Kane is a pretty assertive guy by nature, not inclined to be submissive.

And then we take control, and it's up to us whether Kane continues to be himself (the conventional dominant) or whether we let him turn into a pervert who revels in his submissiveness and refuses to take responsibility, willingly putting himself in the hands of a sadistic bitches.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

As for who's pervert and who's not - I prefer not to judge other people's kinks. Whatever rocks you boat, as long as it's kept private and doesn't hurt others.