VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Maviarab]

You're a better man than I, Stan, for even trying... I guess. The only woman who would ever dominate me (IRL or fantasy) would have to be a necromancer. I really hope you are correct about Angelica. I don't mind that she plays her cards close to her chest but, I'm hoping that she can be loyal when that loyalty goes both ways. I was quite taken with her looks, personality and intelligence almost immediately in the story. She has quickly moved up to my #2 girl overall and, if circumstances were different or changed, I could see her challenging Dominique for #1. But, hey, that's just me and I freely admit I have a thing for feisty redheads...

I believe there will be a point/decision/choice/branch depending perhaps on faction you favor etc...where she may turn against you. Unlikely though....she a T2 romance option...

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My only minor gripe...is I wish Tess (if she even knows) would confirm/clarify if you can have a T1 and T2 romance together. I have asked and was not met with an asnwer at the time (this was right as Part 1 released though so at that time she may not have thought about it too much).

 

[PickerLewd]

The only woman who would ever dominate me (IRL or fantasy) would have to be a necromancer.

At first I thought, "How strange is this fetish!" but now I realise that it means that he will only be ruled when he is dead and will return as a skeleton .

 

[motseer]

I believe there will be a point/decision/choice/branch depending perhaps on faction you favor etc...where she may turn against you. Unlikely though....she a T2 romance option...

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My only minor gripe...is I wish Tess (if she even knows) would confirm/clarify if you can have a T1 and T2 romance together. I have asked and was not met with an asnwer at the time (this was right as Part 1 released though so at that time she may not have thought about it too much).

Hmmm... I guess I have always assumed that as a given - at least on the Dom path. Kane is expected to indulge and is surrounded by women who are "given" to him to serve various roles. Raven is a good example. Others, like Pat, seem willing to hitch their destiny to his if he will have them. The dark haired intern (temporary mental block on her name) seems infatuated with him. None of the major LI's seem to care as long as they get what they are after... It seems that one of the expectations placed on Kane is that he spread his seed far and wide no matter the life path he chooses... Oh, the burden of responsibility...

 

[Maviarab]

Hmmm... I guess I have always assumed that as a given - at least on the Dom path. Kane is expected to indulge and is surrounded by women who are "given" to him to serve various roles. Raven is a good example. Others, like Pat, seem willing to hitch their destiny to his if he will have them. The dark haired intern (temporary mental block on her name) seems infatuated with him. None of the major LI's seem to care as long as they get what they are after... It seems that one of the expectations placed on Kane is that he spread his seed far and wide no matter the life path he chooses... Oh, the burden of responsibility...

Perhaps all true yes....but we have to remember that none of the actual LI's are actually LI's yet. Tess been very clever to avoid any NTR in that regard...couple of ocassions early on with Olivia but mild at best.

How any of them (especially the actual sisters) will react when they actually do become 'your LI' remains to be seen...I can imagine more than a one not being terribly happy if you're out fucking all the pussy you can get (slaves exampt as that's part of their purpose)....but can you imagine Dominique being happy you're rogering Olivia and Jules behind her back???

We already know, confiormed, there will be no 'harem'....but we also do know that the 'other romances' on the DomPath will probably co-exist alongside the T1's (So Celeste with Alessa, Kitty with Olivia, Delilah with Jules etc). But yeah, Tess refused to answer whether a T2 'romance' could exist alongside a T1 (main romance path).

As I've said before, despite Tess saying no harem (and I understand her definition)....it still really is. As you say, you can have your T1, you have slaves, Pod4, Raven interested, you have Taylor and Mia (or Desdemona), Possibly Svetlana already if you hit K9 last Episode...sounding like the beginnings of a harem to me . The distinction I suppose, western harem definition with AVN players is that most likely only 'one of those' will actually 'love you'...the rest are just there to have fun with as you please.

 

[Stan5851]

At first I thought, "How strange is this fetish!" but now I realise that it means that he will only be ruled when he is dead and will return as a skeleton .

I understood this phrase as follows: motseer do not accept domination over themselves in any form...

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[motseer]

Perhaps all true yes....but we have to remember that none of the actual LI's are actually LI's yet. Tess been very clever to avoid any NTR in that regard...couple of ocassions early on with Olivia but mild at best.

How any of them (especially the actual sisters) will react when they actually do become 'your LI' remains to be seen...I can imagine more than a one not being terribly happy if you're out fucking all the pussy you can get (slaves exampt as that's part of their purpose)....but can you imagine Dominique being happy you're rogering Olivia and Jules behind her back???

We already know, confiormed, there will be no 'harem'....but we also do know that the 'other romances' on the DomPath will probably co-exist alongside the T1's (So Celeste with Alessa, Kitty with Olivia, Delilah with Jules etc). But yeah, Tess refused to answer whether a T2 'romance' could exist alongside a T1 (main romance path).

As I've said before, despite Tess saying no harem (and I understand her definition)....it still really is. As you say, you can have your T1, you have slaves, Pod4, Raven interested, you have Taylor and Mia (or Desdemona), Possibly Svetlana already if you hit K9 last Episode...sounding like the beginnings of a harem to me . The distinction I suppose, western harem definition with AVN players is that most likely only 'one of those' will actually 'love you'...the rest are just there to have fun with as you please.

100% agree... Except for one minor detail... "...most likely only 'one of those' will actually 'love you'...the rest are just there to have fun with as you please." They will all love me. It is inevitable. I'm just that lovable... Jus' Sayin' Seriously, though, I get what you are saying about the T1 LI's... However, I still hold out hope that Dominique and Veronica might negotiate a time share...

I understood this phrase as follows: motseer do not accept domination in any form..

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motseer's favorite sappy quote: "Don't walk before me. I may not follow. Don't walk behind me. I may not lead. Walk beside me. Be my friend."

motseer's motto: I can't always win but, I only play if I can't lose."

 

[Stan5851]

Schemer and surivor...she knows which side her bread is buttered on (on the dom path)...she knows we are her ticket upwards and to safety.

She is still only listed as a T2 romance though iirc yes? I've not heard anything further regarding promoting her more.

Maviarab
Aargh , how long it took me to find this post (however, my own fault, I should have added it to my favorites right away)...But getting back to Angelica.. she is no longer T2, but T1...BTW, I wrote about it earlier, but there was no link to the Tess devlog.

In addition to what Maviarab wrote. Everything in the screenshot below applies to the Dom path (and SS). That was Tess's original intent (the post was made sometime in December 2023). But now our lovely Angelica will move from Tier2 to the big leagues ->Tier1 (Dom) with all the wonderful consequences that entails.
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So our beautiful Angelica is already in the big leagues (T1). And I think she's smart enough to stick by KaneDom and not betray him.

source: #12,199

 

[Maviarab]

Maviarab
Aargh , how long it took me to find this post (however, my own fault, I should have added it to my favorites right away)...But getting back to Angelica.. she is no longer T2, but T1...BTW, I wrote about it earlier, but there was no link to the Tess devlog.

So our beautiful Angelica is already in the big leagues (T1). And I think she's smart enough to stick by KaneDom and not betray him.

source: #12,199

Thanks Stan. Forgot about that post from Silver, all my notes are from the screenshot you posted. Shall ammend that now...wonder what world State her T1 will be in then...would imagine perhaps State A...but...? Hmmm.....also sounds very much like she will only go for the 'paragade grey' DomKane....

 

[motseer]

Pardon my ignorance if this is old information but, do we know what world states A, B, C and D are? Also, do we have any clues about how they come about or how to avoid them?

 

[Maviarab]

Pardon my ignorance if this is old information but, do we know what world states A, B, C and D are? Also, do we have any clues about how they come about or how to avoid them?

We do not. Ther has been a lot of theorising on them. I think we can for sure pinpoint one or two of them down....how they transpire/get to them...*shrugs*

A search should find the posts....Stan probably has them bookmarked lol. However, 4 states, many LI are tied to that said state. Three I think we can nail down....Kane top of the world....Revolution....Spaceship....and the fourth, current state of play perhaps???

WS-A Li's are: Olivia, Dominique, Jules, Angelica (when she was T2) and T2 Delilah. SS Alessa and Eloise.
WS-B Li's are: Olivia, V, Junko, Kiyomi (T2), SS Eloise & Elena, Sub Romances of Liv, V, Junko and Claudia.
WS-C LI's are: Olivia, Junko, T2 Delilah with Elena SS
WS-D...no Li's. Alone ending....

So, on that, Revolution ending has to be World State B or C. Only Junko T1 romance (and her sub romance in C).
Maybe 'D' is the spaceship? Kane sacrifices himself for Olivia to leave???
I'm personally thinking WSA is Kane on top ending...running the company.

Ultimately though, we really don't have enough info to be making 'accurate' guesses right now. Tess has confirmed today in Disco (Stan probably already read it) that there will be multiple 'similar' endings...in that, the ending is pretty much the same..just the LI flavour, which makes perfect sense, too much work otherwise, though she is still set on her 15 endings.

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With regards to my earlier post re T1 and T2 romances co-existing...I've asked again. I'll not post screenshot, suffice to say, some might, some won't. She stated she needs to 'look at how she sees T1 and T2 romances'....we already know the T2's will not be as in-depth. However, with Angelica being promoted to T1, that actually only leaves two T2 left anyway....Delilah and Kiyomi....

 

[motseer]

We do not. Ther has been a lot of theorising on them. I think we can for sure pinpoint one or two of them down....how they transpire/get to them...*shrugs*

A search should find the posts....Stan probably has them bookmarked lol. However, 4 states, many LI are tied to that said state. Three I think we can nail down....Kane top of the world....Revolution....Spaceship....and the fourth, current state of play perhaps???

That's about what I thought I knew (or didn't know) about it as well. When I took a look at the Silver post Stan linked, I noticed it's possible Dominique and Angelica are both linked to world state A. Both of them also favor a "mostly good" Kane so there's no need to be a "perfect" paladin. All this makes my new Gambit Signature potentially prophetic... Thanks again, Mav!

 

[Maviarab]

That's about what I thought I knew (or didn't know) about it as well. When I took a look at the Silver post Stan linked, I noticed it's possible Dominique and Angelica are both linked to world state A. Both of them also favor a "mostly good" Kane so there's no need to be a "perfect" paladin. All this makes my new Gambit Signature potentially prophetic... Thanks again, Mav!

Evil Dominique is a Goddess though

Plus you get Kwame's wife....jus' sayin'...you know...as a bonus

 

[motseer]

Evil Dominique is a Goddess though

Plus you get Kwame's wife....jus' sayin'...you know...as a bonus

Are you trying to temp me, Mav? Lure me to the dark side? Hmph... Kwame's wife you say? No. No. No, I won't think about it... Even if I like my dark chocolate and caramel just as much as I like my redheads... No. Nope. Nuh Uh...




How bad would one have to be exactly?

 

[Stan5851]

Pardon my ignorance if this is old information but, do we know what world states A, B, C and D are? Also, do we have any clues about how they come about or how to avoid them?

Maviarab makes a good point. I can say that there has been a lot of speculation in this thread (as well as Tess's discord) about what each state of the world means, but so far, yes, that's about right. But it's all inferences based on what we see here in this list.

For example, the World State A, judging by the characters with whom we can develop relationships, is still the same vicious world, in which there have been no changes that could affect the luxurious existence of the Karlssons elite and the miserable existence of ordinary people (no revolution, no destruction of the Karlsson empire, no flight on a spaceship (ark) with the best representatives of humanity going in search of new worlds, or any other transformations.)

You can make such an analysis yourself and imagine what each state of the world could be. This plaque is relevant to the Dom route. The only thing in it that is not relevant is Angelica's T2, since Tess upgraded her status to T1 by numerous requests from the players.

Everything else is kinda relevant. (Though I don't know how Juliette's status will be now, given that Kane's demon flag was permanently revoked by Tess herself). And not so long ago (I also wrote about it earlier) Tess said that one of Kane's harems will be expanded: The Alessandra/Celeste/Phoebe harem path (my original narrative) may be tweaked and even expanded.

 

[Maviarab]

Are you trying to temp me, Mav? Lure me to the dark side? Hmph... Kwame's wife you say? No. No. No, I won't think about it... Even if I like my dark chocolate and caramel just as much as I like my redheads... No. Nope. Nuh Uh...

How bad would one have to be exactly?

The only keys are:
5 Evil Points (>= 5). All you need.
Dom (rank irelevent).
Not on Junko's romance path otherwise when the scene comes, it will switch to a scene with her instead. If on her path, nuke it either in the pool scene with Kitty/Chanel etc...or turn her down the morning after Dominique gifts you K7 and the new apartment.
Chapter 5 when you meet the 3 Karlsson Sisters (Juliette, Dominique and Veronica) in the pool, you MUST choose “I think I’m going to pick Dominique...”
If Dominique already your sponsor, she will ask you to speak to V. Don't....(If Dominique already your sponsor here...then you will lose her sponsorship btw)
Dom Kane meets privately with Dominique. You will have a conversation with her and you MUST choose “In her position, I think she shouldn’t worry so much about others...”
After that, Ch6 you will meet with Dom in the mines. After the 'Work Placement' you will speak further...this progresses that route.

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[motseer]

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The only keys are:
5 Evil Points (>= 5). All you need.
Dom (rank irelevent).
Not on Junko's romance path otherwise when the scene comes, it will switch to a scene with her instead. If on her path, nuke it either in the pool scene with Kitty/Chanel etc...or turn her down the morning after Dominique gifts you K7 and the new apartment.
Chapter 5 when you meet the 3 Karlsson Sisters (Juliette, Dominique and Veronica) in the pool, you MUST choose “I think I’m going to pick Dominique...”
If Dominique already your sponsor, she will ask you to speak to V. Don't....(If Dominique already your sponsor here...then you will lose her sponsorship btw)
Dom Kane meets privately with Dominique. You will have a conversation with her and you MUST choose “In her position, I think she shouldn’t worry so much about others...”
After that, Ch6 you will meet with Dom in the mines. After the 'Work Placement' you will speak further...this progresses that route.

Soooooo... If one wanted to try this out but not lose Dominique as a sponsor, he would need to get Juliette's or Veronica's sponsorship first? Asking for a friend...

 

[Maviarab]

Soooooo... If one wanted to try this out but not lose Dominique as a sponsor, he would need to get Juliette's or Veronica's sponsorship first? Asking for a friend...

From recollection and from my DarkDomi save sheet...get Veronica first. Should then get Dominique also later.

 

[Stan5851]

(Stan probably already read it) that there will be multiple 'similar' endings...

Alas, it sounds too good to be true. While I was translating and then double-checking errors and inconsistencies (as you know, English is not my first language) in my posts in this thread, I missed what was going on in Tess's discord, and now I see 180 new posts there, which I am now scrutinizing..

 

[w123t4]

Is it possible for kane to build up relationship with kiyomi without in the sub path or she is only available to seth?

 

[motseer]

From recollection and from my DarkDomi save sheet...get Veronica first. Should then get Dominique also later.

Yeah, I've gotten them in that order before but, later, decided Dominique first and Veronica second worked better for my GoodDom Kane. I'm sure I can figure out how to swap the order again... I'll take a look at what it takes to get the 5 bad boy points and then adding your outline... perhaps my friend will want to check it out... Hehe Jus' Sayin'