VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[harsha_26]

It's as if Tess deleted something that was controversial.. No, she was either guided by her ridiculous "revenge" against a few inadequate patrons, punishing most of the normal Dom players along with them (cancellation of Jules' pure route and cancellation of demon flag), or by her own considerations, as in the case of Kiyomi (Dom route), in whose scenes nothing that anyone could call potentially“controversial” (such as violent murders in the style of Jules).

So this logic doesn't work here. And, as we can see from the examples of Angelica, Kiyomi, and Celeste content, she doesn't need a reason to cancel or rework something...The sacramental “I am an artist, this is how I see it” is enough.

She said kiyomi ending is deleted because of her husband opinion. But she said she might think of re adding it. And regarding demon route, she said patreon won't be okay with hardcore content by a male, so demon route is cancelled.

My guess by the conversations with her is.. Yes, violence and harsh content will be there in dom. But most of the it will be done in the indirect form as I said before. That means, girl to girl violence and punishments. Dom Kane directly won't manhandle the girls unless they are totally encourage him for it and that also won't be much extreme. Karlsson's sisters never be getting k2 or k1 treatment. K3 is the last rank for them. And Dominique is the only one who gets little stronger maledom content in the form of whipping. That's the extreme any sister will get.

Read her patreon overview.. She changed totally. Femdom routes will be harsher and extreme. And Maledom will be light and also little stronger. She is doing all these to avoid fbi, payment processors, collective shout etc..

I feel you. I hate whatever tess done with this game. Which is the only game in which I had desires for revenge with main girls and want to punish them severely because tess made him so antagonistic. I praise her for that to inflict those hate feelings in us. That's quality writing. But, what we can do..

I wish someone can do spin off KG:Red Domination and release that version in sites like ss star or other less restriction sites.

 

[Stan5851]

She said kiyomi ending is deleted because of her husband opinion. But she said she might think of re adding it. And regarding demon route, she said patreon won't be okay with hardcore content by a male, so demon route is cancelled.

No, the problem is that you don't know English very well (by your own admission). If you had read the devlog more carefully, you would have understood that her fiancé (as well as Anais) are, on the contrary, AGAINST canceling Kiyomi's ending and are in favor of bringing it back into the game... And Tess wrote that she would think about it.

As for the connection between Patreon and the canceled Jules evil content (on the Dom side), these are just guesses based on what I and other players wrote in this thread... But I haven't seen any confirmation of this from Tess. On the contrary, the official version says that she decided to punish overly inadequate patrons by depriving them of this content.

When you provide me with a direct quote from Tess where she writes that the real reason for removing Jules' content was related to Patreon's claims, then we'll talk. Until then, these are just my (and your) guesses and nothing more.

My guess by the conversations with her is.. Yes, violence and harsh content will be there in dom. But most of the it will be done in the indirect form as I said before. That means, girl to girl violence and punishments. Dom Kane directly won't manhandle the girls unless they are totally encourage him for it and that also won't be much extreme. Karlsson's sisters never be getting k2 or k1 treatment. K3 is the last rank for them. And Dominique is the only one who gets little stronger maledom content in the form of whipping. That's the extreme any sister will get.

So far, I haven't seen a single direct quote from her confirming what you've fantasized about the future of the Dom route. Yes, I am also not very optimistic about the severity of the Dom route in the future, but I do not want to discuss this topic again without any confirmation from the dev. Your fantasies and even suggestions are not such confirmation.

 

[Maviarab]

She is doing all these to avoid fbi, payment processors, collective shout etc..

 

[harsha_26]

No, the problem is that you don't know English very well (by your own admission). If you had read the devlog more carefully, you would have understood that her fiancé (as well as Anais) are, on the contrary, AGAINST canceling Kiyomi's ending and are in favor of bringing it back into the game... And Tess wrote that she would think about it.

As for the connection between Patreon and the canceled Jules evil content (on the Dom side), these are just guesses based on what I and other players wrote in this thread... But I haven't seen any confirmation of this from Tess. On the contrary, the official version says that she decided to punish overly inadequate patrons by depriving them of this content.

When you provide me with a direct quote from Tess where she writes that the real reason for removing Jules' content was related to Patreon's claims, then we'll talk. Until then, these are just my (and your) guesses and nothing more.

So far, I haven't seen a single direct quote from her confirming what you've fantasized about the future of the Dom route. Yes, I am also not very optimistic about the severity of the Dom route in the future, but I do not want to discuss this topic again without any confirmation from the dev. Your fantasies and even suggestions are not such confirmation.

*So far, I haven't seen a single direct quote from her confirming what you've fantasized about the future of the Dom route. Yes, I am also not very optimistic about the severity of the Dom route in the future, but I do not want to discuss this topic again without any confirmation from the dev. Your fantasies and even suggestions are not such confirmation.*

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So, as i said, Rougher Treatment in the form of domKane is mostly for sex scenes. Not much rough for non-sexual kinks like abuse, violence etc, which you commonly seen in femdom paths where women kicking balls, using subKane & his friends as punch bags to practice some kicks (Olivia defence training).

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

She said kiyomi ending is deleted because of her husband opinion. But she said she might think of re adding it. And regarding demon route, she said patreon won't be okay with hardcore content by a male, so demon route is cancelled.

Actually, the reason why she's considering readding the kiyomi stuff is because her husband and Anais want it back

 

[HiHaHo]

*So far, I haven't seen a single direct quote from her confirming what you've fantasized about the future of the Dom route. Yes, I am also not very optimistic about the severity of the Dom route in the future, but I do not want to discuss this topic again without any confirmation from the dev. Your fantasies and even suggestions are not such confirmation.*

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So, as i said, Rougher Treatment in the form of domKane is mostly for sex scenes. Not much rough for non-sexual kinks like abuse, violence etc, which you commonly seen in femdom paths where women kicking balls, using subKane & his friends as punch bags to practice some kicks (Olivia defence training).

so basicly she's been cutting & avoiding dom content in fear off the council of karen's

 

[harsha_26]

Actually, the reason why she's considering readding the kiyomi stuff is because her husband and Anais want it back

Yeah i may have wrongly understood.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

She's cutting stuff because the game has gotten too big and way too heavy too handle, esp if she going to handle the writing in the Anais game. Karen's and psycho patron's members is just a convenient excuse for her to cut off from the maledom ( the side she doesnt prefer).

 

[Stan5851]

*So far, I haven't seen a single direct quote from her confirming what you've fantasized about the future of the Dom route. Yes, I am also not very optimistic about the severity of the Dom route in the future, but I do not want to discuss this topic again without any confirmation from the dev. Your fantasies and even suggestions are not such confirmation.*

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So, as i said, Rougher Treatment in the form of domKane is mostly for sex scenes. Not much rough for non-sexual kinks like abuse, violence etc, which you commonly seen in femdom paths where women kicking balls, using them as punch bags to practice some kicks (Olivia defence training).

Well, Tess didn't reveal anything new here; we always knew that no one gives a shit about men in games and you can do whatever you want with them. However, you still haven't provided a single quote where Tess wrote that the entire route (Jules) was allegedly canceled due to Patreon claims...

As for the punching bag, her answer is also understandable... A dominant man and beating a woman (in a non-sexual context) are really different things...Personally, I didn't plan to beat even Jules when Tess (in the form of a game alter ego) announced the possibility of... well, if not slavery, then... let's call it Jules conquest...Humiliating Jules — yes, enslaving her — yes, whipping her until there are serious marks on her skin — yes, but beating a woman with your fists, even one like her, is not an act worthy of a confident man. There are many other ways to tame bitches like that. (imo)

 

[harsha_26]

Well, Tess didn't reveal anything new here; we always knew that no one gives a shit about men in games and you can do whatever you want with them. However, you still haven't provided a single quote where Tess wrote that the entire route (Jules) was allegedly canceled due to Patreon claims...

As for the punching bag, her answer is also understandable... A dominant man and beating a woman (in a non-sexual context, when she wants it herself) are really different things...Personally, I didn't plan to beat even Jules when Tess (in the form of a game alter ego) announced the possibility of... well, if not slavery, then... let's call it Jules conquest...Humiliating Jules — yes, enslaving her — yes, whipping her until there are serious marks on her skin — yes, but beating a woman with your fists, even one like her, is not an act worthy of a confident man. There are many other ways to tame bitches like that.

Sorry, she doesnt provided anything about reasons of cancellation of jules path while i'm there. About Confidence Man, Well, Revenge and angry makes a man do extreme things. So, asked that just a possibility, it does not mean that i want to see it in the game. I just wondered, if women in femdom paths can do whatever they want, why cant men. Yes, Men can do that and yes there are games like that too, But.. not in tess game. Abuse of that level is only purely one sided.

 

[harsha_26]

She's cutting stuff because the game has gotten too big and way too heavy too handle, esp if she going to handle the writing in the Anais game. Karen's and psycho patron's members is just a convenient excuse for her to cut off from the maledom ( the side she doesnt prefer).

Well this is also possible. I never thought of this way lol.

 

[Stan5851]

Sorry, she doesnt provided anything about reasons of cancellation of jules path while i'm there. About Confidence Man, Well, Revenge and angry makes a man do extreme things. So, asked that just a possibility, it does not mean that i want to see it in the game. I just wondered, if women in femdom paths can do whatever they want, why cant men. Yes, Men can do that and yes there are games like that too, But.. not in tess game. Abuse of that level is only purely one sided.

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[Stan5851]

She's cutting stuff because the game has gotten too big and way too heavy too handle, esp if she going to handle the writing in the Anais game. Karen's and psycho patron's members is just a convenient excuse for her to cut off from the maledom ( the side she doesnt prefer).

Yes, that's also possible. BTW, what does Karen have to do with this? I know about Klara and Karin (Alexander's sisters)..But who is Karen?

 

[harsha_26]

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Well, It can be both reasons at the same time. Both those "dom patreons" and also patreon rules. Yeah, I too think she loved making demon content for dom. She may have definitely harsher plans for evil dom. But, those "patrons" had forced her to go even more cruel on women than she thinks of it. She may not had expected that some men will be like that. So, she got mentally suffered and thought of cancelling Demon Stuff because it is making her feel headache and is also not viable according to patreon. She said that she actively in contact with patreon support staff and always be honest with them about content.

I'm sure those guys have asked something more cruel than punching bags lol. Now, tess became even more careful of dom route and given those comments I shared in screenshots.

But, yeah, she should have acted fairly and not banned members like you. That I agree.

 

[harsha_26]

Yes, that's also possible. BTW, what does Karen have to do with this? I know about Klara and Karin (Alexander's sisters)..But who is Karen?

I think he mean collective shout.

 

[Stan5851]

harsha_26
Regarding Kane's indirect actions in the future (which you suggested to Tess if I understand correctly) - for obvious reasons, I am strongly opposed to this. However, for example, we have a Dom scene with Kane, Dominique and Amara..So if a similar joint format, where both dominants (male and female) participate in the punishment of female slaves, is maintained in the future, it may be a better substitute for the indirect participation you offered her. After all, we are not following the cuckold-Dominant path here (lol), but a path where Kane's direct participation in scenes is not even discussed.

No, I understand why you suggested it..And I also share your desire for more Dom hardcore content in relation to women, but not at the cost of D.Kane sitting on the bench and just giving orders without participating in any way.

 

[harsha_26]

harsha_26
Regarding Kane's indirect actions in the future (which you suggested to Tess if I understand correctly) - for obvious reasons, I am strongly opposed to this. However, for example, we have a Dom scene with Kane, Dominique and Amara..So if a similar joint format, where both dominants (male and female) participate in the punishment of female slaves, is maintained in the future, it may be a better substitute for the indirect participation you offered her. After all, we are not following the cuckold-Dominant path here (lol), but a path where Kane's direct participation in scenes is not even discussed.

No, I understand why you suggested it..And I also share your desire for more Dom hardcore content in relation to women, but not at the cost of D.Kane sitting on the bench and just giving orders without participating in any way.

I'm not suggested her. Infact i hate indirect action. I want Kane to act like a a true dom in future. Like planning, executing everything instead of taking others guidance or suggestions all along the game. Tess said that in sex scenes (like with amara, it is also type of lewd scenes because kane gets blowjob), sure domKane will participate actively in a more rougher way by the consent of that girl (amara given consent) and help from a other girl (domi). We already seen this in game, not a new information.

But when it comes to non sexual punishments, like kicking, beating, torture etc. those will be handled between woman to woman unless it some bdsm sex kinks like whipping, spanking etc which we see in other patreon games too. And yes, tess confirmed Dominique (evil) will get whipping in future by domKane. But she also said that, that's the line she draw for direct kane action.

 

[Stan5851]

I'm not suggested her. Infact i hate indirect action. I want Kane to act like a a true dom in future. Like planning, executing everything instead of taking others guidance or suggestions all along the game. Tess said that in sex scenes (like with amara, it is also type of lewd scenes because kane gets blowjob), sure domKane will participate actively in a more rougher way by the consent of that girl (amara given consent) and help from a other girl (domi). We already seen this in game, not a new information.

But when it comes to non sexual punishments, like kicking, beating, torture etc. those will be handled between woman to woman unless it some bdsm sex kinks like whipping, spanking etc which we see in other patreon games too. And yes, tess confirmed Dominique (evil) will get whipping in future by domKane. But she also said that, that's the line she draw for direct kane action.

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[Sharpshooter890]

She's cutting stuff because the game has gotten too big and way too heavy too handle, esp if she going to handle the writing in the Anais game. Karen's and psycho patron's members is just a convenient excuse for her to cut off from the maledom ( the side she doesnt prefer).

I've been saying the same thing for a long time - the game is way too ambitious for a first time indie dev. It was manageable at first, when you didn't really have any major flags, but now - it's too many branch paths with too many variables. And the evidence is clear - the full Game Show should've been what, episode 7 or 8 originally? Now it's chapter A of part B of episode C of season D.

Cutting some of the paths seems the right thing to do at this point, otherwise the updates will take years and the momentum for the game will die. Kyiomi path was dead weight anyway with 0 development, so no loss there. Losing the Demon flag sucks, but it's not like the game was overtly violent to begin with - almost all of the stuff is implied, not shown (like shoving a man's head into a lava pit with you heel - I love how cartoonishly evil it is). And intent and showing the mindset of the characters is for me more important than the visuals.

 

[harsha_26]

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The domination is better handled in desert stalker and yes the first scene of the based on your actions, MC beats a woman, the dungeon mechanism is also handled well. But, again, that is handled by a male dev, who is fascinated with maledom. Here it is handled by a female dev. She may fascinated with femdom content and yes, she is one of the best femdom dev i ever seen, but let's be honest, for dom paths, she have to depend on maledom fans for ideas whether she liked or not. Now also she listens to those maledom fans in her patreon, and she admitted that she always give maledom script to her husband first and he edits it.

But believe me, after she banned evil dom fans, most of the present active dom fanbase who have conversations with patreon channels are vanilla men and most of the times only talks about romance and story elements. Even if they talk about domination, they talk like it is a vanilla harem and all women should fall in love with kane. So, it is more expected in future that evil dom won't be that interesting, atleast for me. It may be interesting for you. You seem be more vanilla than me lol.