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No thanks, I'd rather discuss what happens when Maviarab reaches the limit of allowed users on the list™
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Should it ever happen the Schwartz will guide me.No thanks, I'd rather discuss what happens when Maviarab reaches the limit of allowed users on the list™
Sans mustachio though thanksWould you rather discuss that weird castration fetish again?
MilesEdgeworth
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As Mav said, it's unknown but your best bet is probs to collect all the Kiyomi points that he can.
A femdom fetish in a femdom game isn't really weird, certainly not weird by comparison.Would you rather discuss that weird castration fetish again?
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Dozens of drones monitoring a mine network with hundreds or thousands of miners is, to put it politely, a suboptimal counter-insurgency strategy. The replacement time for those drones would be like 2 months given they'd have to operate near constantly. Also if they have and can produce drones in this universe they can also - much more easily and cheaply - produce drone jammers, which would be maximally effective in an enclosed space like a mine.
Not to mention it'd be impossible to keep them charged in those circumstances unless they're plugged in, so you'd be much better off with stationary systems anyway. And stationary systems can be evaded and/or destroyed, especially if you only have 'dozens' of them covering hundreds of hectares, thousands of feet underground.
Millions of people in every known civilization were enslaved and exploited, yet didn't sweep away their masters. It's a question of social organization, which is one of the many things about this game and story that's not very clear.
Nietzsche? No. There are a few points of similarity with Rand but this society is obviously feudal, not capitalist or fascist. They just call themselves a corporation. Why? Not clear. The correct answer is Sade himself, if Sade got bored of theorizing about perfect revolution and started posting tiktoks.
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Stan5851
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Right. That's exactly what I wanted to say (among other things), but didn't expand on my already large post. But the point is that before disparagingly calling people "biomass", which was voiced earlier (hello fascism again), it would be good to study the details of the social organisation of each particular group of people.
We know that the planet (at least the African continent where the events of the game take place) is severely lacking in water, food and energy. We know that the only place in the same Karlsson City (under which there are also mines for mining crystals and then turning them into energy) where there are no restrictions in food, water and energy is the elite neighbourhood of Kallista, where Karlsson Group executives, top managers and other such people live. The distribution of resources to the rest of the people (labourers and miners) follows strict rules set by the corporation itself.
The game mentions that miners (as opposed to mine guards) have to spend all their time in the mines, but we also know that many miners have families and even children. So it's not a "concentration camp (Nazi death camp) in its purest form" and all these people have something to hold on to and something to lose in one way or another. This is to the question of why their Masters have not yet been swept away here.
It is also mentioned in the game that children from ordinary (poor) families are taken away from their parents and given a good education and a chance to reach a higher social status than their parents had (remember Karlssom Academy Alumni with their classes for the rich/elite and classes for poor children)...
Anyway, we need more data about this world before we start making hasty conclusions or, even more so, contemptuously calling someone "biomass".
As for the dozens of drones and stuff - it's a similar situation here. I only cited a few lines from the game, but in the context of the global mine security setup, they don't mean much.
We've been hinted that KaneDom may yet have to go down to where the miners actually work (and no, I don't mean training a Wpod2 that obeys Kane). So for now, we don't know for certain what other facilities are being used at these sites. Who says there aren't equipped automated roadblocks with machine gun turrets in narrow mining tunnels? Who says there isn't a system for spraying poisonous (or soporific) gas that can cover huge underground workings and hypothetical rebels in a fairly short period of time.
Same goes for the chips implanted in the bodies of every slave, labourer, miner, low-level servant, etc. From what we have been shown, I can say that drones are not needed for instant remote activation of the chips. Moreover, such activation can also be mass activation. And I have a suspicion that the walls of the same JoyFacility or even the rocks of the mines under the main buildings are not an obstacle for these devices either. Remember how Kane, sitting in a separate undeground room (while testing the Wpod2 girls in the mines), remotely activated the girls' collars and not only them, hehe.
We don't know what kind of data transmission principle these chips use (it's simple radio waves, or perhaps some hidden and distributed island-wide system of secure repeaters operating on specific frequencies or some other wave principle used to transmit commands).
What we do know is that it would take a talented hacker of Nadia's calibre to hack into all those chips implanted in the miners' bodies to make the revolution possible. And since that's the case, it means that the system preventing possible miner revolts is doing its job so far and is quite reliable.
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That's what they have collars for
So all the drones and camera's, are actually perfectly optimal for their intended purpose.
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Hm, slight misundertanding here. I'm not including the society described in this game in the category of something that might work. For example providing food and shelter to miners within the mine itself would be logistical nightmare. Plus most of them would die from exposure to toxins. You'd spend more time hauling out corpses than minerals.
Training and then giving power to the people who hate them would be another reason the society wouldn't work. Empires recruited and deployed their auxiliary forces and institutions at their peripheries, not heartlands.
I get that this is part of a debate with someone else but out of interest, what's the moral distinction here? The game explicitly portrays non-main chars as naturally - not just politically/discursively - inferior to the main chars. You're down with exploring that concept, but calling them 'biomass' is off limits? Sorry, I just thought that was funny.
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Yet that's what actually happens....
I have to ask...have you actually played this ('and' digested the information given)? As Stan5851 pointed out, they do not leave the mines. Sure, the supervisors may get that 'privalige' (from time to time) but no one else does. Do you even recall the task Dominique gives you on her work placement and why?
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I find it absolutely hilarious how we as a community go full autist into every little detail of the story and the setting. I don't think I've seen it in any other thread here. I love it. Having said that, I'd recommend to not be too anal about it, or the setting might start falling apart.
For example, we've seen many yachts, helicopters, airplanes, cars, etc. To produce even one of those you need multiple factories with multiple production lines. Those factories need machinery of their own and spare parts, as well as a steady supply of power and raw materials (oil, steel, wood, plastic, glass, rubber). To get those you must have global trade, with reliable shipping of said materials at adequate prices. You also need many skilled workers at every stage of production.
Obviously, there's more than that, but my point is - such an economy is impossible in any sort of apocalyptic future (Metro 2033, Terminator, Mad Max, Last of Us, etc). Therefore, at some point we must suspend our disbelief and take the story setting for granted.
Which I do for KG. And the fact that rebellions are so rare tells me that the slaves are mostly content with their fate, they've accepted their position as worthless worms who lick the boots of their betters. So I'm not lifting a finger for them, because my Kane ain't a looser. Why should I respect those who don't even have respect for themselves? They are trash, worse than trash even, since they eat, shit and maybe even dare to think when the mood hits them. Unacceptable! Jules and me, we will devour them until we puke, and then devour some more. For that is their fate - to be a worthless toy at the mercy of their superiors.
For example, we've seen many yachts, helicopters, airplanes, cars, etc. To produce even one of those you need multiple factories with multiple production lines. Those factories need machinery of their own and spare parts, as well as a steady supply of power and raw materials (oil, steel, wood, plastic, glass, rubber). To get those you must have global trade, with reliable shipping of said materials at adequate prices. You also need many skilled workers at every stage of production.
Obviously, there's more than that, but my point is - such an economy is impossible in any sort of apocalyptic future (Metro 2033, Terminator, Mad Max, Last of Us, etc). Therefore, at some point we must suspend our disbelief and take the story setting for granted.
Which I do for KG. And the fact that rebellions are so rare tells me that the slaves are mostly content with their fate, they've accepted their position as worthless worms who lick the boots of their betters. So I'm not lifting a finger for them, because my Kane ain't a looser. Why should I respect those who don't even have respect for themselves? They are trash, worse than trash even, since they eat, shit and maybe even dare to think when the mood hits them. Unacceptable! Jules and me, we will devour them until we puke, and then devour some more. For that is their fate - to be a worthless toy at the mercy of their superiors.
daffyrolls94
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That's what would happen irl. Obviously I'm aware that it doesn't happen in the game or I wouldn't make the point I did. Follow your own advice wrt digesting info, imo.
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Well my original comment was responding to comments treating the game world as a serious exploration of realistic possibilities but ain't like I got a problem with that. Altho I will admit to having a bit of a problem with people bringing real life morality into it.
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If you're going to discuss morality in the context of a fictional universe then you have establish some sort of connection between it and the real world you actually inhabit, because the latter is where morality actually exists. Otherwise there's no point. The premises and conclusions are all determined by your acceptance of the fictional universe's self-referential reality, as opposed to its correspondence with the reality you actually live in. That's called "playing out a fantasy" in layman's terms.
You think seizing children away from their families can sometimes serve a good purpose, and want to explore the ethical nuances of a social structure described in a bdsm snuff porn game. And then you - apparently - earnestly chastise others for calling people 'biomass', i.e the fictional people in that fictional porno fantasy. Maybe it's just me, but your moral philosophy is a deranged tangle of self-serving contradictions.<<<This is an actual ethical claim, since I'm talking about you and other f95 posters - real entities - in relation to a fictional scenario, not fictional entities in relation to each other.
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daffyrolls94, I heard you, you heard me (but you heard what you wanted to hear, not what I was trying to convey), so this is the end of my conversation with you. There is nothing more to talk about here, otherwise we will slide into offtopic. Have a nice game.
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I assure you, I definitely did not want to hear anything you had to convey. Yet I did and that's entirely on me. Bye.
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Ok! Here to drink coffee and kick ass! And Mavi drank all my coffee!
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Are you suggesting we park in the parkway? The truth is we Jacobs, Karlssons and DeKocks are extremely elite assholes who can do whatever we want.
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