VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Maviarab]

You actually do get some choices, just not the choice not to be treated like a worm.

By the way, are Mavi and I the only ones who have played both paths just to see the full story?

In 'full'...I believe so.

 

[Meiri]

I've played both paths: Dom, Sub, and Secret Sub. I even had different saves for a Good Sub vs. an Evil Dom Olivia, and for both Good Doms and a few others... However, I'm not sure if I will continue those until I see exactly in-game what she has done with the changes. For now I will probably just stick with one of each.

 

[kinkyshin]

If there’s a route for Juliette and even Katsumi, then Celeste or Phoebe aren’t off the table either… and bro… it’s sub content.. there’s a lot of player in that area that like the harsher type of ladies

That's fair... but I do think that Celeste and Phoebe (I don't know about Katsumi) are a bit different from Juliette.

As you know, Juliette has this scene:

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I don't recall Phoebe or Celeste ever showing even a hint of compassion towards anyone beneath them. If Juliette was just going to immediately turn Kane into shark food like she does with the vast majority of her slaves, would people still want a route with her? I don't think so.

tl;dr:
It feels (to me at least) that Kane can have a pretty twisted (but long-term) slave/mistress relationship with Juliette. With Phoebe/Celeste it's just... death.

Well, if sub patrons meekly swallowed the fact that Tess doesn’t give sub Kane any choice and sadistic bitches treats him like a worthless worm and a powerless slave, then why do you think they won’t swallow the possible content with Celeste? It’s high time these guys grew some backbone and started defending their interests. (yeah, it's just my 2 cents)

I kind of already said it above (my response to Silver), but basically there is light at the end of the tunnel for Kane on the loser track. One example is that Tess strongly implied that Veronica doesn't care so much about dom/sub, and will eventually see Kane either as a man that she loves or not. All the suffering will pay off later.

But for Celeste/Phoebe, there's no light at the end of the tunnel. They're just going to torment Kane until they eventually get bored of him and kill him.

You actually do get some choices, just not the choice not to be treated like a worm.

By the way, are Mavi and I the only ones who have played both paths just to see the full story?

I really can't imagine only playing one route. The contrast in perspectives the reader gets as slave/slaveowner is what makes the story so profound IMO.

As a slave, it's all so unfair. As a slaveowner, it's shocking how little you care.

 

[Stan5851]

You actually do get some choices, just not the choice not to be treated like a worm.

Hmm, what a dubious milestone..

 

[motseer]

Hmm, what a dubious milestone..

Talk about lifetime asperations...

 

[PickerLewd]

Have the cancelled endings been published on Discord?

As we won't be able to play them, I'd at least like to read them .

 

[Zenith_11]

So we still have a dom evil route. But we lost the demoness path for Kane with Olivia. We only have a watered down evil path for Juliette.(wanted a rlly evil route). We also lost Celeste dom evil route and the throuple option with Alessandra. And now I'm learning she's also being added to the sub route. What exactly do evil Dom players have? Which characters and routes are still currently available? I'm actually curious what's still playable as of now. At this rate every character for the dom evil( if u can call it that) will be axed.

 

[Meiri]

That's fair... but I do think that Celeste and Phoebe (I don't know about Katsumi) are a bit different from Juliette.

As you know, Juliette has this scene:

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I don't recall Phoebe or Celeste ever showing even a hint of compassion towards anyone beneath them. If Juliette was just going to immediately turn Kane into shark food like she does with the vast majority of her slaves, would people still want a route with her? I don't think so.

tl;dr:
It feels (to me at least) that Kane can have a pretty twisted (but long-term) slave/mistress relationship with Juliette. With Phoebe/Celeste it's just... death.



I kind of already said it above (my response to Silver), but basically there is light at the end of the tunnel for Kane on the loser track. One example is that Tess strongly implied that Veronica doesn't care so much about dom/sub, and will eventually see Kane either as a man that she loves or not. All the suffering will pay off later.

But for Celeste/Phoebe, there's no light at the end of the tunnel. They're just going to torment Kane until they eventually get bored of him and kill him.



I really can't imagine only playing one route. The contrast in perspectives the reader gets as slave/slaveowner is what makes the story so profound IMO.

As a slave, it's all so unfair. As a slaveowner, it's shocking how little you care.

I always imagined Juliette as the absolute bottom option that you can have for being a sub to someone but while still being alive, I don't think she would bother to kill you like her other slaves because she already has plenty of those, if she takes you in is because you caught her twisted interest, not to kill you (and also because Tess doesn't seem to go that way either).

 

[motseer]

So we still have a dom evil route. But we lost the demoness path for Kane with Olivia. We only have a watered down evil path for Juliette.(wanted a rlly evil route). We also lost Celeste dom evil route and the throuple option with Alessandra. And now I'm learning she's also being added to the sub route. What exactly do evil Dom players have? Which characters and routes are still currently available? I'm actually curious what's still playable as of now. At this rate every character for the dom evil( if u can call it that) will be axed.

Well, that just seems... evil! Waaaaaaiiiiiiittt a minute! Could this be Tess providing a real life evil dom experience for those who want it? How diabolical would that be? Eh? Eh? AmIright?

 

[Stan5851]

What exactly do evil Dom players have? Which characters and routes are still currently available? I'm actually curious what's still playable as of now. At this rate every character for the dom evil( if u can call it that) will be axed.

Yeah, the EvilDom route with Jules as a sponsor no longer exists…And the demon flag was just an excuse… EvilDom players, as well as those Dom players who didn’t even choose Jules as a sponsor but developed a rs with evil Dominique, will receive (in ver 0.8.2, I suppose, we saw the very beginning of this path) a softened evil route that will feature both Juliette and Dominique. Fantasy about incest, I suppose, will remain just fantasies… and during sex with Kane, they are unlikely to have any sexual interaction with each other…

What will this route be like in terms of content? Most likely, quite vanilla, because Tess either practices double standards regarding the torture of men and women, or is simply afraid to openly admit that all this cancellation of the evil route, removal of evil characters, demon flag, etc., did not happen because of some mythical harassers, but because of possible complaints from Patreon and payment systems regarding her game.

Tess, be honest and write about it directly — it will take a weight off your shoulders and get rid of many problems in communication with the gaming community.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

That's fair... but I do think that Celeste and Phoebe (I don't know about Katsumi) are a bit different from Juliette.

As you know, Juliette has this scene:

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I don't recall Phoebe or Celeste ever showing even a hint of compassion towards anyone beneath them. If Juliette was just going to immediately turn Kane into shark food like she does with the vast majority of her slaves, would people still want a route with her? I don't think so.

tl;dr:
It feels (to me at least) that Kane can have a pretty twisted (but long-term) slave/mistress relationship with Juliette. With Phoebe/Celeste it's just... death.



I kind of already said it above (my response to Silver), but basically there is light at the end of the tunnel for Kane on the loser track. One example is that Tess strongly implied that Veronica doesn't care so much about dom/sub, and will eventually see Kane either as a man that she loves or not. All the suffering will pay off later.

But for Celeste/Phoebe, there's no light at the end of the tunnel. They're just going to torment Kane until they eventually get bored of him and kill him.



I really can't imagine only playing one route. The contrast in perspectives the reader gets as slave/slaveowner is what makes the story so profound IMO.

As a slave, it's all so unfair. As a slaveowner, it's shocking how little you care.

Kyle is an anomaly in the factory of slaves that Juliette goes through on a daily.... and an anomaly doesn't make the norm... Juliette has a weird romance with Sub Kane but it's not a normal romance (Obviously...) I think it's too early to tell with her personally but all we know right now is that she's super dangerous but also has that edge of being something slightly better to sub Kane. Mind you, she still has a slave/servant path to sub Kane... And just like with Juliette, for Celeste or Phoebe... it can roll a certain way with our choices presumably... Phoebe treats Harry different for reasons that I personally don't think she would for Sub Kane... Has she humiliated sub Kane? Ofc! he's still in the program, but Phoebe has showed moments to Sub Kane... Not saying in the greatest terms but she wouldn't just kill Kane for the fun of it... And for Celeste, she's a wild card but at the same time, she hasn't really gotten that much development with sub Kane really... But we'll see more of that in this upcoming update so who knows... Kane isn't your average slave/individual... and all the characters know this (Which is why he's treated differently) But in the end we'll see right?

And Yeah there is light in the end of the tunnel for sub Kane... what that light is, just depends on the player tbh Veronica, Juliette, Elena, etc... Each player has a different journey to what their moment of enjoyment is... and sub Kane as a character can experience this suffering but also can experience some goodness in it... again just depends on the players personal choices/view of things

 

[Silver_Crow117]

I always imagined Juliette as the absolute bottom option that you can have for being a sub to someone but while still being alive, I don't think she would bother to kill you like her other slaves because she already has plenty of those, if she takes you in is because you caught her twisted interest, not to kill you (and also because Tess doesn't seem to go that way either).

I Mean she could be in a way... she does have a slave/servant path but she also has a weird romance path for sub Kane, so we'll see how that plays out lol but your right, Kane is a special case and that's important in the grand scheme of things!

 

[kinkyshin]

So we still have a dom evil route. But we lost the demoness path for Kane with Olivia. We only have a watered down evil path for Juliette.(wanted a rlly evil route).

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Not sure if that makes you feel relieved or even more sad but yea...

I always imagined Juliette as the absolute bottom option that you can have for being a sub to someone but while still being alive, I don't think she would bother to kill you like her other slaves because she already has plenty of those, if she takes you in is because you caught her twisted interest, not to kill you (and also because Tess doesn't seem to go that way either).

I could be wrong, but its seems to me that Tess had separated the possible love interests for subKane as 'slave' and 'sub' and there weren't many that fell under the latter (only Veronica, Olivia, Junko, and Claudia were listed). But it seems that she's changed her mind on Juliette and added a special route for subKane to not just be a slave to Juliette, but a submissive lover to her.

So... bottom option in comparison to the other actual sub romances, yes. But still much better than being a slave to anyone else.

Sounds to me like evil Olivia/evil Elena will never get bored of having Kane as a slave. (which was also supposed to the darkest content in the game iirc)

Phoebe treats Harry different for reasons that I personally don't think she would for Sub Kane... Has she humiliated sub Kane? Ofc! he's still in the program, but Phoebe has showed moments to Sub Kane... Not saying in the greatest terms but she wouldn't just kill Kane for the fun of it... And for Celeste, she's a wild card but at the same time, she hasn't really gotten that much development with sub Kane really... But we'll see more of that in this upcoming update so who knows... Kane isn't your average slave/individual... and all the characters know this (Which is why he's treated differently) But in the end we'll see right?

Right. I think we mostly agree, you're just a little bit more optimistic than I am about how Celeste/Phoebe would treat Kane is all lol

 

[Silver_Crow117]

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Not sure if that makes you feel relieved or even more sad but yea...


I could be wrong, but its seems to me that Tess had separated the possible love interests for subKane as 'slave' and 'sub' and there weren't many that fell under the latter (only Veronica, Olivia, Junko, and Claudia were listed). But it seems that she's changed her mind on Juliette and added a special route for subKane to not just be a slave to Juliette, but a submissive lover to her.

So... bottom option in comparison to the other actual sub romances, yes. But still much better than being a slave to anyone else.

Sounds to me like evil Olivia/evil Elena will never get bored of having Kane as a slave. (which was also supposed to the darkest content in the game iirc)


Right. I think we mostly agree, you're just a little bit more optimistic than I am about how Celeste/Phoebe would treat Kane is all lol

Yeah we pretty much agree but like you said, I see it as they wouldn’t have romance path but slave route… lol Oh! Also, Chastain has a weird romance path as well! Poor Kane with all the crazy gals out to get him one way or another

 

[jadepaladin]

In 'full'...I believe so.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

yall dont think Juliette has some sub in her? She's a daddy's girl despite all the shit that Alexander did to her.

 

[harsha_26]

Funny how your saying all this stuff about Tess On here but have a totally opposite tone on her Patreon/Discord

I have love/hate relationship with her. I admire her for her story and I always won't hesitate to express it to her. And that's what I done while talking with Tess. When it comes to criticis, we all very well know Tess won't entertain them in anyway and straightly block us without giving any chance. In here, it is different and no longer Tess is a participant here and never going to be anyway.

 

[harsha_26]

yall dont think Juliette has some sub in her? She's a daddy's girl despite all the shit that Alexander did to her.

She will definitely have some sub in her. That's why she is still there for evil dom route so that domKane have a chance to make her submit. Don't you remember the conversation of domKane with Tess cameo on evil dom route?

In Karlsson's sisters, DomKane able to make Dominique, Juli, Olivia as submissive for sure. I mean, it will be mostly on the softer side of submissive action compare to subKane submissive hardcore action. It won't involve harsh maledom. Except whipping for Dominique as Tess said (also Dominique teased that too in 8.2 group sex scene and it will be consensual, she will encourage you to whip her happily).
I don't know alesandra, but veronica is only vanilla romance exclusive for domKane.

 

[harsha_26]

Have the cancelled endings been published on Discord?

As we won't be able to play them, I'd at least like to read them .

I don't. Please. Not for me. And I don't think any demon path fan want to know about it and get upset again.

 

[harsha_26]

Tess posted something good in her patreon in this week's dev update post:

"I have decided not to release the "Red Domination" ending and I'd also rather not say why I made that decision. We'll see what happens..."

Seems like she understood it won't do anything good for her or the fans of demon path.